Neighbor looking to bring water pipe through my land

Sonic the Shaghog · 27-07-2020 06:07PM #1

I have a neighbor who's son has a planning permission for a house and asked if they can bring their water pipe through my land up to where the house is, am I looking at any issues? I want to be neighbourly but hearing it might cause issues

He also wanted to bring a pipe through another piece of my land up to cabins

A bit wary now, anyone have any experience?

emo72 · 27-07-2020 06:13PM

help him out if you can. its what makes the world go around. obviously he makes sure you are not put out by it. and you never know, you may need a favour yourself in the future.

I says · 27-07-2020 06:15PM

emo72 wrote: »

help him out if you can. its what makes the world go around. obviously he makes sure you are not put out by it. and you never know, you may need a favour yourself in the future.

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Tonynewholland · 27-07-2020 06:15PM

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I have a neighbor who's son has a planning permission for a house and asked if they can bring their water pipe through my land up to where the house is, am I looking at any issues? I want to be neighbourly but hearing it might cause issues

He also wanted to bring a pipe through another piece of my land up to cabins

A bit wary now, anyone have any experience?

I think it’s called a way leave. If done officially it’s similar to a right of way. They can come on to your land to check or repair the pipe. Like the ESB can

27-07-2020 06:17PM

I says wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

By you perhaps, but the people I remember the best are those who have been kind/helpful to me in the past.

Pkiernan · 27-07-2020 06:17PM

I says wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Being a not nice neighbour is never forgotten.

slipperyox · 27-07-2020 06:19PM

Is it mains water
or from a well?

Sonic the Shaghog · 27-07-2020 06:22PM

slipperyox wrote: »

Is it mains water
or from a well?

It would be coming off the mains on teh road and the pipe laid through my land to get to their patch where the house is

The other little pipe would could form mains on road and up buried in field to his cabins

My own meters and mains connection is nowhere near it so they wouldn't be sharing mine or anything just using the land

Just very worried about legal issues

27-07-2020 06:23PM

If the pipe bursts on your section of land, is it your problem and are you liable to fix it?

That's the only thing that'd pop into my head. Assuming responsibility lies always with the neighbour then id let them at it.

slipperyox · 27-07-2020 06:27PM

You could always pay for the pipe. Then you own the pipe/on your land.
Despite the water in the pipe being owned by Irish water, if there was ever any future issues, you could refuse access to your pipe.

longgonesilver · 27-07-2020 06:34PM

The main issue would be if you damaged the pipe in the future but if it's buried deep enough and ditches and land reinstated properly then you should never have any issue with it again.

Lantus · 27-07-2020 06:39PM

A pipe like this needs to be buried about 600mm down so some digging involved. I would check with Irish water as to where responsibility lies for any future repair as it's often inside boundaries.

You also need to keep good records to note its exact location. If you sell can the next owner remove and dig up and remove? Why can't they go around?

Lime Tree Farm · 27-07-2020 07:16PM

If it is an Irish Water main, they probably won't allow it.

I know from past experience, where a water line was there already, through farmland, the council would not sanction a connection to the new house. A new line had to be installed along a public road.

antix80 · 27-07-2020 07:22PM

No good deed goes unpunished.

At the very least you should get legal advice. You're dealing with your neighbour, Irish water, and whatever amount of third parties down the line.

Arealred · 27-07-2020 07:23PM

Like others have said I would try to oblige him but I would do a wayleave agreement and have everything above aboard. The current neighbour might be sound but the next generation may not be.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 27-07-2020 07:24PM

this ^^^ do not do it without pro advice

Frankx · 27-07-2020 07:26PM

slipperyox wrote: »

You could always pay for the pipe. Then you own the pipe/on your land.
Despite the water in the pipe being owned by Irish water, if there was ever any future issues, you could refuse access to your pipe.

Made me laugh

TalkingBull · 27-07-2020 07:26PM

will you or a member of your family ever be building where the pipe is laid?, and if so will your neighbour be willing to move the pipe.
is there a reason hes not/cant bury it down the centre of the road up to his new build.
if it burst and you have a field of hay or silage will you want him in?

Outkast_IRE · 27-07-2020 07:34PM

It will be buried a few feet down, which means a digger or a mole.

If its a digger your soil will be compacted etc after it , is your land in good condition etc.

You need to think of everything . I would only leave them do it if they can demonstrate bringing it down the road to their build.

Maybe Irish Water looked for thousands to bring it up the road properly so now they are looking to do it cheap and cheerful by cutting through your land. Get all these questions answered before you do anything.

cosatron · 27-07-2020 07:38PM

From a planning point of view, his legally obliged to bring the mains from road so that a meter can be put in at the head of his site. Obviously his trying to avoid the road opening charge and fee to connect to irish water or the group water scheme unless it's from his own well.

wrangler · 27-07-2020 07:38PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

It will be buried a few feet down, which means a digger or a mole.

If its a digger your soil will be compacted etc after it , is your land in good condition etc.

You need to think of everything . I would only leave them do it if they can demonstrate bringing it down the road to their build.

Maybe Irish Water looked for thousands to bring it up the road properly so now they are looking to do it cheap and cheerful by cutting through your land. Get all these questions answered before you do anything.

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You're better not to get involved, Let him drill a well, he's surely getting electricity.

jetfiremuck · 27-07-2020 07:40PM

You are creating an easement and could be considered an impediment. How are they getting to their property (Access).

invicta · 27-07-2020 07:42PM

Is the main water pipe along the public road?
Usually it’s tapped at the entrance to site.
Why does he have to cross your property with another pipe?

adocholiday · 27-07-2020 07:45PM

The thing I'd be most concerned about is if you ever want to sell the house and there's a wayleave over your land then many potential buyers could be put off. I know I certainly would. Or like someone else said if you ever wanted to do anything yourself on the land you've hampered yourself. There's being neighbourly and then there's being too nice for your own good!

Frankx · 27-07-2020 07:51PM

Another that is a potential nuisance

Any business to do with the land , insurance or whatever sees this pipe and they send you off getting reports and documents etc

mickdw · 27-07-2020 08:02PM

Dont allow it if it can at all be avoided.
There is only downside for you. No upside.
He will need lifetime access to your land with heavy machinery, it will always be in your way.
What about leaks?
What about accidental damage to his pipe?
He could be attempting to save many many thousands by going through your land.
Id suss out what the issue is re following the road. Work out how much he is saving then sell him a strip along a boundary about 5m wide so that pipe can be in his own land and wide enough to access with machinery.
There will be more respect for ya. Ive seen it before. Where people got free access, they treated it like sh1t and wouldnt close the gate after themselves.
Where they paid for the strip of land, they looked after it.

wrangler · 27-07-2020 08:08PM

I says wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Ain't that the truth, no one should let anyone build down their private roads

Mad_maxx · 27-07-2020 08:17PM

Just say NO

Cheeky to ask when he is not without options

As pointed out, should you ever want to sell ,its another title issue to make buyers potentially nervous and work for solicitors

listermint · 27-07-2020 08:20PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Just say NO

Cheeky to ask when he is not without options

As pointed out, should you ever want to sell ,its another title issue to make buyers potentially nervous and work for solicitors

It won't make buyers nervous at all.

The banks will be the nervous ones. Banks will run loops through their legal departments when they see wayleave.

27-07-2020 08:24PM

mickdw wrote: »

Dont allow it if it can at all be avoided.
There is only downside for you. No upside.

The major upside is not having a neighbour with a grudge against you (even if they hide it) for the rest of you life. There will always be something that comes up where you could want their help or a favour and I’d never forget it and always curse the person behind their back that didn’t let me do something as simple as run a water pipe through their land to potentially save me thousands.

Equally I would be happy to oblige the person if it was my land. The local group water scheme ran their mains pipes through our land a few years ago when upgrading the system in the locality, they were the big pipes not small ones to a house. I’m sure we could have complained but why would we it’s a local scheme for the benefit of locals similar to helping a neighbour.

Lantus · 27-07-2020 08:27PM

Very good ré why Irish water cannot install this as per any normal development. If he's omitting a meter then let's hope you not found complicit to defraud in assisting your neighbour.

Neighbor looking to bring water pipe through my land

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