Neighbor looking to bring water pipe through my land

Sonic the Shaghog

I have a neighbor who's son has a planning permission for a house and asked if they can bring their water pipe through my land up to where the house is, am I looking at any issues? I want to be neighbourly but hearing it might cause issues

He also wanted to bring a pipe through another piece of my land up to cabins

A bit wary now, anyone have any experience?

emo72

help him out if you can. its what makes the world go around. obviously he makes sure you are not put out by it. and you never know, you may need a favour yourself in the future.

I says

emo72 wrote: »

help him out if you can. its what makes the world go around. obviously he makes sure you are not put out by it. and you never know, you may need a favour yourself in the future.

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Tonynewholland

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I have a neighbor who's son has a planning permission for a house and asked if they can bring their water pipe through my land up to where the house is, am I looking at any issues? I want to be neighbourly but hearing it might cause issues

He also wanted to bring a pipe through another piece of my land up to cabins

A bit wary now, anyone have any experience?

I think it’s called a way leave. If done officially it’s similar to a right of way. They can come on to your land to check or repair the pipe. Like the ESB can

I says

I says wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

By you perhaps, but the people I remember the best are those who have been kind/helpful to me in the past.

Pkiernan

I says wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Being a not nice neighbour is never forgotten.

slipperyox

Is it mains water
or from a well?

Sonic the Shaghog

slipperyox wrote: »

Is it mains water
or from a well?

It would be coming off the mains on teh road and the pipe laid through my land to get to their patch where the house is

The other little pipe would could form mains on road and up buried in field to his cabins

My own meters and mains connection is nowhere near it so they wouldn't be sharing mine or anything just using the land

Just very worried about legal issues

If the pipe bursts on your section of land, is it your problem and are you liable to fix it?

That's the only thing that'd pop into my head. Assuming responsibility lies always with the neighbour then id let them at it.

slipperyox

You could always pay for the pipe. Then you own the pipe/on your land.
Despite the water in the pipe being owned by Irish water, if there was ever any future issues, you could refuse access to your pipe.

longgonesilver

The main issue would be if you damaged the pipe in the future but if it's buried deep enough and ditches and land reinstated properly then you should never have any issue with it again.

Lantus

A pipe like this needs to be buried about 600mm down so some digging involved. I would check with Irish water as to where responsibility lies for any future repair as it's often inside boundaries.

You also need to keep good records to note its exact location. If you sell can the next owner remove and dig up and remove? Why can't they go around?

Lime Tree Farm

If it is an Irish Water main, they probably won't allow it.

I know from past experience, where a water line was there already, through farmland, the council would not sanction a connection to the new house. A new line had to be installed along a public road.

antix80

No good deed goes unpunished.

At the very least you should get legal advice. You're dealing with your neighbour, Irish water, and whatever amount of third parties down the line.

Arealred

Like others have said I would try to oblige him but I would do a wayleave agreement and have everything above aboard. The current neighbour might be sound but the next generation may not be.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

this ^^^ do not do it without pro advice

Frankx

slipperyox wrote: »

You could always pay for the pipe. Then you own the pipe/on your land.
Despite the water in the pipe being owned by Irish water, if there was ever any future issues, you could refuse access to your pipe.

Made me laugh

TalkingBull

will you or a member of your family ever be building where the pipe is laid?, and if so will your neighbour be willing to move the pipe.
is there a reason hes not/cant bury it down the centre of the road up to his new build.
if it burst and you have a field of hay or silage will you want him in?

Outkast_IRE

It will be buried a few feet down, which means a digger or a mole.



If its a digger your soil will be compacted etc after it , is your land in good condition etc.


You need to think of everything . I would only leave them do it if they can demonstrate bringing it down the road to their build.


Maybe Irish Water looked for thousands to bring it up the road properly so now they are looking to do it cheap and cheerful by cutting through your land. Get all these questions answered before you do anything.

cosatron

From a planning point of view, his legally obliged to bring the mains from road so that a meter can be put in at the head of his site. Obviously his trying to avoid the road opening charge and fee to connect to irish water or the group water scheme unless it's from his own well.

wrangler

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

It will be buried a few feet down, which means a digger or a mole.



If its a digger your soil will be compacted etc after it , is your land in good condition etc.


You need to think of everything . I would only leave them do it if they can demonstrate bringing it down the road to their build.


Maybe Irish Water looked for thousands to bring it up the road properly so now they are looking to do it cheap and cheerful by cutting through your land. Get all these questions answered before you do anything.

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You're better not to get involved, Let him drill a well, he's surely getting electricity.

jetfiremuck

You are creating an easement and could be considered an impediment. How are they getting to their property (Access).

invicta

Is the main water pipe along the public road?
Usually it’s tapped at the entrance to site.
Why does he have to cross your property with another pipe?

adocholiday

The thing I'd be most concerned about is if you ever want to sell the house and there's a wayleave over your land then many potential buyers could be put off. I know I certainly would. Or like someone else said if you ever wanted to do anything yourself on the land you've hampered yourself. There's being neighbourly and then there's being too nice for your own good!

Frankx

Another that is a potential nuisance

Any business to do with the land , insurance or whatever sees this pipe and they send you off getting reports and documents etc

mickdw

Dont allow it if it can at all be avoided.
There is only downside for you. No upside.
He will need lifetime access to your land with heavy machinery, it will always be in your way.
What about leaks?
What about accidental damage to his pipe?
He could be attempting to save many many thousands by going through your land.
Id suss out what the issue is re following the road. Work out how much he is saving then sell him a strip along a boundary about 5m wide so that pipe can be in his own land and wide enough to access with machinery.
There will be more respect for ya. Ive seen it before. Where people got free access, they treated it like sh1t and wouldnt close the gate after themselves.
Where they paid for the strip of land, they looked after it.

wrangler

I says wrote: »

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Ain't that the truth, no one should let anyone build down their private roads

Mad_maxx

Just say NO

Cheeky to ask when he is not without options

As pointed out, should you ever want to sell ,its another title issue to make buyers potentially nervous and work for solicitors

listermint

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Just say NO

Cheeky to ask when he is not without options

As pointed out, should you ever want to sell ,its another title issue to make buyers potentially nervous and work for solicitors

It won't make buyers nervous at all.

The banks will be the nervous ones. Banks will run loops through their legal departments when they see wayleave.

mickdw

mickdw wrote: »

Dont allow it if it can at all be avoided.
There is only downside for you. No upside.

The major upside is not having a neighbour with a grudge against you (even if they hide it) for the rest of you life. There will always be something that comes up where you could want their help or a favour and I’d never forget it and always curse the person behind their back that didn’t let me do something as simple as run a water pipe through their land to potentially save me thousands.

Equally I would be happy to oblige the person if it was my land. The local group water scheme ran their mains pipes through our land a few years ago when upgrading the system in the locality, they were the big pipes not small ones to a house. I’m sure we could have complained but why would we it’s a local scheme for the benefit of locals similar to helping a neighbour.

Lantus

Very good ré why Irish water cannot install this as per any normal development. If he's omitting a meter then let's hope you not found complicit to defraud in assisting your neighbour.

mickdw

Kian Handsome Ref wrote: »

The major upside is not having a neighbour with a grudge against you (even if they hide it) for the rest of you life. There will always be something that comes up where you could want their help or a favour and I’d never forget it and always curse the person behind their back that didn’t let me do something as simple as run a water pipe through their land to potentially save me thousands.

Equally I would be happy to oblige the person if it was my land. The local group water scheme ran their mains pipes through our land a few years ago when upgrading the system in the locality, they were the big pipes not small ones to a house. I’m sure we could have complained but why would we it’s a local scheme for the benefit of locals similar to helping a neighbour.

Funny enough, our group scheme is also run through the field as opposed to run at roadside. This was done as the handy option at the time but it has been a nightmare start to finish.
Anyone wanting to build a house has to divert it to the road as its in way of percolation areas generally. Joints fail and are hard to spot until a field get waterlogged.
Then its more difficult to hand over to irish water due to all the wayleaves etc. Complete disaster.

Say my name

Any reason Op why they can't bring the water down their access road to and from the main line?
I know there's a few posters have asked the same question. :pac:

Fann Linn

I've come across jobs where septic tanks and other such services are located on other people's property. There can be problems regarding access, liability, upkeep and ownership responsibilities. I'd ask them nicely to find an alternative arrangement.

Base price

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I have a neighbor who's son has a planning permission for a house and asked if they can bring their water pipe through my land up to where the house is, am I looking at any issues? I want to be neighbourly but hearing it might cause issues

He also wanted to bring a pipe through another piece of my land up to cabins

A bit wary now, anyone have any experience?

As part of his planning application did the architect not have to specify the service access points?

wildwillow

I had to submit maps showing ownership when I got a new connection from Irish Water. I don't think they will connect through your land, at least not without having a proper legal basis.

You need to know if he is just trying to save money on the connection charge.

It is important you get legal advice and then decide. Quote the advice if neighbour is upset at your decision.

We don’t even know if irish water are involved. As it’s a rural area it’s very likely to be a group water scheme.

Kian Handsome Ref

Kian Handsome Ref wrote: »

We don’t even know if irish water are involved. As it’s a rural area it’s very likely to be a group water scheme.

A lot of them have gone by the wayside years ago. Not nearly as common as they used to be.

Ronin247

There could be many reasons why he needs to pass through the land, too far from the road any other way ( there is a certain distance from the main line you cannot go beyond), doesn't want to dig up a tarred lane...... any number of reasons.
I would give the permission gladly and get a pipe put in the trench for yourself..... never know when you will need it.
Someone mentioned leaking joints... you can stipulate that it is one continuous run of pipe.
Why would anyone not help a neighbour if it costs them nothing?

Frankx

He could end up having you over a barrel with the pipe

Say you wanted to do something with the land but you can't because your neighbors water pipe can't be disturbed

And he's now refusing to let you reroute it

Frankx

Frankx wrote: »

He could end up having you over a barrel with the pipe

Say you wanted to do something with the land but you can't because your neighbors water pipe can't be disturbed

And he's now refusing to let you reroute it

How is he going to stop him? If I needed to reroute the pipe on my land I’d be telling the neighbour not asking.

Aravo

If the son has planning permission he had to specify a water source whether Irish Water or a well. I would check what was mentioned there. If there was to be a connection to a watermain what route was specified.
Is the access to the property at a public road or a private lane, why could this not be used as a route.

Is the op being asked as they have lands that divide the neighbours, one field has water and another has none.

Base price

OP what are these "cabins" that you mention?

You also say that he wants to run a water pipe through other land that you own to them.

Water John

If the mains on the road is a public water supply, then the meter and connection will be at that point. The proposed pipe through your land is his, not Irish Water.
Yes, it's a wayleave situation but services in towns and cities in the past have all been through neighbours back gardens.

It might be quite costly to access another way. For example, if it's up a small side road. That means digging either the centre of the road or at the side of the road. Both means drawing away the spoil and replacing with something like 804. This may be the reason for the request.

If possible ask him to use heavy duty pipe and bury close to a metre. Really rare risk of leakage or break.

Sonic the Shaghog

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

Aravo

Let them go up the roadway. Best for everyone. What is their problem is not yours. I would say thanks but no thanks.

wrangler

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

Ironically I was going to say you don't know what's in the future, If you're even only thinking of selling it you shouldn't agree, it'd have to be declared at the auction

Water John

Would there be any room between the the concrete and the ditch? A small trench about 300mm should suffice them. Another option depending on ground is a horizontal driller under the concrete. These are a small impact drill head driven by an air compressor.
Not sure of their avaiibility in Ireland.

Lime Tree Farm

Aravo wrote: »

Let them go up the roadway. Best for everyone. What is their problem is not yours. I would say thanks but no thanks.

It will be minimum 50mm, Heavy Guage Hydrodare, which will be specified, from my past experience.

John Hutton

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

Tell him you were talking to the solicitor about it and he raised reservations so you are not sure, and in any case you are only starting probate and the solicitor says it might be a bit complicated and will take ages so you can't give permission in any event... Gives you a bit of an out.

Water John

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

It will be minimum 50mm, Heavy Guage Hydrodare, which will be specified, from my past experience.

That would be preferred also for flow but the standard house connection was half inch HD and any distance loses volume.