Opinions on onlyfans and adult entertainment industry

EmmetSpiceland · 25-07-2020 10:34AM

anewme wrote: »

Anyone remember this Lady?

Toni, Exotic dancer, from Ballyfermot who took up 'exotic dancing' to pay for her kids music lessons after her husband lost his job.

Interesting snapshot of life in Ireland the 80's.

I remember her posters would be up locally and some people going, oh isnt that terrible!

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1129/835226-toni-exotic-dancer/

Or that pub in Ballyferriter, Co. Kerry, who was offering money to anyone who’d go topless.

Santan · 25-07-2020 01:09PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Or that pub in Ballyferriter, Co. Kerry, who was offering money to anyone who’d go topless.

What pub was that

anewme · 25-07-2020 01:20PM

Mr.S wrote: »

I have one friend who does OnlyFans, it's absolutely mind-blogging the amount of money she makes from it - on top of working full time in a career-type job.

She had a deposit saved for her house under 12 months as a result of doing it. Mental.

Power to them, I don't see the issue as long as they are happy with their photos being online, if it works for them - what's the issue?

Are they paying tax on their earnings?

s1ippy · 25-07-2020 01:21PM

joe40 wrote: »

Would you have the same scorn for the Men who go to these establishment or engage with the activity.

I 100% do, which is why I said in my initial post that it's pathetic anyone has to bring money into sexual exchanges. It devalues the whole situation when you reduce it to a financial figure.

But I suppose some of us have the luxury of enjoying sex and for others, it's a seedy transaction. I can't believe the OP begrudges those of us who enjoy having sex for fun while at the same time insists we respect them for charging people to watch her undress. That's an insane demand.

Ultrflat · 25-07-2020 01:23PM

anewme wrote: »

Are they paying tax on their earnings?

If your working full time, I believe your aloud to earn a certain amount of money before its taxable.

not 100% tho

anewme · 25-07-2020 01:24PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Yep, all above board.

Fair play so.

anewme · 25-07-2020 01:24PM

Ultrflat wrote: »

If your working full time, I believe your aloud to earn a certain amount of money before its taxable. not 100% tho

Not sure what you mean?

Man with broke phone · 25-07-2020 01:25PM

I think people with only fans accounts are people who make short term choices for short term gain. They may if lucky make a years wages before becoming over exposed and unable to earn.

What next for them?

Well they can plunge further into the porn industry and make way less than they think they will earn, the girl who did the porn in the turban a few years ago was everywhere and in loads of high profile videos, she claimed recently she was never in profit, one of the production companies denied this and said she made iirc 175 000 dollars in her career. Now this is one of the most high profile girls in the industry willing to do almost anything.
Sounds like alot of money but tax healthcare a personal assistant and agents wages and suddenly it's the price of a white Audi if she is lucky.

Now imagine she made great long term plans and got a degree in law or finance. As soon as these videos come back to haunt her she will be that girl who worked for AAA Finance limited that did them nudey pictures. Boss can't promote her if he is a married Male because the wife will be on his case about even having her in the office, if the boss is female she will more than likely dislike her for some reason or other, its what they do.

So my opinion on it is that I would pity somebody who got involved in it but if somebody whatsapped me the videos I would watch them unless it involved a family member. I dont have to live the rest of their lives, let them at it.

doughef · 25-07-2020 01:27PM

Are we allowed ask what the only fans user name is ??

jaxxx · 25-07-2020 01:30PM

Mr.S wrote: »

I have one friend who does OnlyFans, it's absolutely mind-blogging the amount of money she makes from it - on top of working full time in a career-type job.

She had a deposit saved for her house under 12 months as a result of doing it. Mental.

Power to them, I don't see the issue as long as they are happy with their photos being online, if it works for them - what's the issue?

The issue is there are far too many people in this day and age who are obsessed with what others do in their private lives, so much so that they think it's their god given right to exert their ideals on others.

Like yourself, if they're happy to have their photos online and everything is all above board, what business is it really of anyone else's. Can say that for a wide range of things really.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-07-2020 02:37PM

It's very unlikely that these professions will ever become recognised as "normal" everyday jobs... and this has nothing to do with people being conservative or non-progressive in their thinking.

Strip clubs etc have been as common as muck in most large US towns and cities for decades... and generally speaking Americans would be more open-minded about these things than our post catholic sexually repressed Ireland.

And nevertheless, if you move into any middle class suburban neighbourhood in the US and tell your neighbours that you moonlight as an exotic dancer on the weekends for some extra money, you will get very similar reactions from people that you would here in Ireland. You won't get ostracised from society... but people will generally have less respect for your choice of job.

It's nothing to do with people needing to catch up with the times over here, or learn more about the industry... it's a seedy industry. Period. It doesn't mean you're a terrible person for choosing to get involved in it for some money. But people will always have slightly less respect for you, no matter what part of the world you do it in...

PsychoPete · 25-07-2020 02:40PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I 100% do, which is why I said in my initial post that it's pathetic anyone has to bring money into sexual exchanges. It devalues the whole situation when you reduce it to a financial figure.

But I suppose some of us have the luxury of enjoying sex and for others, it's a seedy transaction. I can't believe the OP begrudges those of us who enjoy having sex for fun while at the same time insists we respect them for charging people to watch her undress. That's an insane demand.

Supply and demand

leggo · 25-07-2020 03:33PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

It's very unlikely that these professions will ever become recognised as "normal" everyday jobs... and this has nothing to do with people being conservative or non-progressive in their thinking.

Strip clubs etc have been as common as muck in most large US towns and cities for decades... and generally speaking Americans would be more open-minded about these things than our post catholic sexually repressed Ireland.

And nevertheless, if you move into any middle class suburban neighbourhood in the US and tell your neighbours that you moonlight as an exotic dancer on the weekends for some extra money, you will get very similar reactions from people that you would here in Ireland. You won't get ostracised from society... but people will generally have less respect for your choice of job.

It's nothing to do with people needing to catch up with the times over here, or learn more about the industry... it's a seedy industry. Period. It doesn't mean you're a terrible person for choosing to get involved in it for some money. But people will always have slightly less respect for you, no matter what part of the world you do it in...

What ‘industry’ is this you speak of though? Part of OF’s appeal is that you’re working for yourself and, even if you decide to do sex videos etc, it’s with people you actively ask to participate. It’s cutting out the seedy middlemen if anything and that’s where porn/sex work now seems to be going. Porn stars are going there, strippers, Instagram influencers etc...they’re all migrating because it’s a way better environment for workers. So I’d say the industries you’re referring to will probably start to disappear as time goes on because of this. It’s a big deal like. And even though there’ll be evolutions as time goes on, I think this as a base model is here to stay for a while and the rest will have to adapt because why would people go back?

I know porn was becoming nigh-on impossible for people to make a living with free sites making it untenable, so that’s what this is in response to and it’s coincided with a lot of body positive movement that’s connected with the general public.

As for it becoming normalised, again I think we’re already there. What’s more normal than people you know personally getting involved with it, as myself and multiple people here have seen? It’s spoken about in pub chats, and when it’s spoken about I’ve found it’s not in the tone some people are taking it here. Maybe the auld lads at the bar since 2pm on a Tuesday take the dated tack that ‘these women are whores’, but that has definitely been filed into the category of ‘let’s just wait for this opinion to die out with that generation’ along with several others.

Whether it’s a long-term job/career or not, I dunno, there’s obvious limitations there. But I don’t think people who get involved see it that way anyway. Working in a Penney’s isn’t a long-term job/career for most who do it, but it doesn’t invalidate it as a way of paying the bills either. (And no before someone starts I’m not comparing the two)

I Am Nobody · 25-07-2020 03:43PM

Some strippers love the entertainment part of what they do.And in fairness you can't possibly expect them to make moral decisions for those who lack it.That burden isn't theirs to bear.I think alot of people forget that point.They are only offering a service to ones who engage and pay for it.Much like any other business. Thats the bare bones of it IMO.

AndrewJRenko · 25-07-2020 04:31PM

Mr.S wrote: »

I have one friend who does OnlyFans, it's absolutely mind-blogging the amount of money she makes from it - on top of working full time in a career-type job.

She had a deposit saved for her house under 12 months as a result of doing it. Mental.

Power to them, I don't see the issue as long as they are happy with their photos being online, if it works for them - what's the issue?

What's her USP? You'd think it would be hard to build up a strong following unless you are offering something different to the masses.

Mister Vain · 25-07-2020 04:35PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What's her USP? You'd think it would be hard to build up a strong following unless you are offering something different to the masses.

Nudes.

AndrewJRenko · 25-07-2020 04:41PM

Mister Vain wrote: »

Nudes.

I think you missed the U in USP.

25-07-2020 05:06PM

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Some strippers love the entertainment part of what they do.And in fairness you can't possibly expect them to make moral decisions for those who lack it.That burden isn't theirs to bear.I think alot of people forget that point.They are only offering a service to ones who engage and pay for it.Much like any other business. Thats the bare bones of it IMO.

We all sell ourselves in different ways. It's just that some people have developed different morals.

I used to be a credit controller for a large leasing company with a wide variety of products. The contracts were nasty things but I learned early in my career, that most people get so excited to buy something, that they don't fully read a contract. So, quite often a part of my job was to chase down people who had leased something, avoided paying, built up debt over it, and then I'd have to take their home because they didn't have enough funds otherwise to pay. I was very good at my job, well regarded for my ability to turn around bad debts, and I justified it with knowing that most of the people involved were morons for getting themselves into that situation. It was a horrible job too because you couldn't not notice that often these morons had families who would also suffer. After a decade or so of doing that job, I couldn't do it anymore. Excellent money though, especially the commissions.

We all sell ourselves.

Whereas my ex was a stripper in Brisbane. Worked in a fairly high class club. She made more in 3 months than I made in a year. She would work 6 months, and have holidays for 6 months. Did the prostitution gig for a while, but actually made far more money stripping and being unobtainable. She provided a service, made a fortune and didn't care because the men (and women) who paid for her services made their own choices. She didn't hurt anyone by doing that, and she loved her job.

Whereas, my professional job hurt many more people. Sure, those people entered into those agreements willingly, and they should have been more financially responsible, but there were consequences.

The point is that we all put ourselves out there for the income we receive. Stripping or prostitution generally doesn't hurt anyone... consenting adults and all that. Just as leasing equipment and failing to pay concerns consenting adults.

People should be responsible for their own lives/choices. It's not on the person providing the service. And morals? I've found in life, that people talk a lot about morals, but rarely live up to all that talk.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-07-2020 05:07PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Being Irish and good looking! Her content is relatively tame by OnlyFans standards, she makes a large chunk of her $$ from additional private requests which makes it even easier. I think most of her followers are outside of Ireland.

I could think of worse things that you'd have to do to make a couple of K every month ontop of your regular salary - all without leaving your house.

Of course the downside is the judgement, but with the above person, she handles it well. People seem to come around when they see the income she get's from it

Does she only exist in your imagination ? lol / The funny thing with OF is the more and more links shared of someones profile, the more revenue they seen. It's their most important part, the traffic, so pm a link. Would love to see what it's all about.

AndrewJRenko · 25-07-2020 05:15PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Being Irish and good looking! Her content is relatively tame by OnlyFans standards, she makes a large chunk of her $$ from additional private requests which makes it even easier. I think most of her followers are outside of Ireland.

Interesting - I didn't think that would be unique enough to bring in big money, but there you go.

jaxxx · 25-07-2020 05:16PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Being Irish and good looking! Her content is relatively tame by OnlyFans standards, she makes a large chunk of her $$ from additional private requests which makes it even easier. I think most of her followers are outside of Ireland.

I could think of worse things that you'd have to do to make a couple of K every month ontop of your regular salary - all without leaving your house.

Of course the downside is the judgement, but with the above person, she handles it well. People seem to come around when they see the income she get's from it

This seems appropriate:

BorneTobyWilde · 25-07-2020 05:16PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Yeah, you are very delusional...

I don't care if they are married, married girls sleep around plenty too. I'm sure there are a small minority who just "dance" and go home to their partner... but from what I have seen, they are only the minority.

Trying to make "dancers" seem more respectable is a waste of time. Society is never going to see your profession in the way that you would hope... you are only marginally more respectable than hookers. You are really just a slightly more upmarket version of a prostitute, in the eyes of most people in society. (whether they admit this to your face or not)

Exotic dancers, strippers... whatever name you wish to use. They have been around forever in places like the US etc... and in all that time the perception has not really changed at all. Yes there are some clubs that have better reputations than others, but the job title itself is still viewed essentially the same way it always was.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it's very easy to pick another profession if your goal is to be more respected by people!

This reads as if you are getting angry on behalf of sex workers, but in reality sex workers HATE all these people who come out and protest on behalf of them, labeling them victims, and demanding changes in law to protect them. But all it does is harm them, and then those sex workers have to protest the so called laws brought into protect them, but they have no hope of over turning them.
The trouble with sex workers is simple minds like to throw them all into one group, when in reality its a very complex industry with countless parts to it.

Society needs to separate sex trafficking and sex workers. Put time and energy into stopping sex trafficking, give tougher sentences to those involved in it, while also protecting and giving legal status to sex workers, give them the same rights and benefits as a girl or guy working in an office, or ''normal job' .

BorneTobyWilde · 25-07-2020 05:19PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Wrong gender for me

But no, not my place to promote her site so I won't PM. Anyway, the content is private unless you pay & subscribe.

See that makes no sense. You'd be forever in her good books if you took out a full page 20k advert on the front page of The Mirror promoting her OF Page. But you won't even share a link in private lol .
I thnk she doesn't exist .

Mister Vain · 25-07-2020 05:43PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting - I didn't think that would be unique enough to bring in big money, but there you go.

Why would they need to be unique? Being attractive is enough. A lot of girls in Ireland do nude modelling and there's good money to be made in that too.

Kamu · 25-07-2020 06:00PM

In relation to the girl who has an Onlyfans and is holding down a career, what would happen to said career if her content was leaked wherever it is that she works?

My assumption by the term 'career' is that it's office based, and while selling content wouldn't be an offence that can lead to being let go (I think) I imagine any form of promotion would be gone because of the Stigma.

There was a Teacher in America who also created hardcore content that was doxxed and was chased from her job and the likes.

You hear it often enough I suppose, especially around Redditor's who were doxxed.

AndrewJRenko · 25-07-2020 06:06PM

Mister Vain wrote: »

Why would they need to be unique? Being attractive is enough. A lot of girls in Ireland do nude modelling and there's good money to be made in that too.

Maybe. I'd have thought that there was huge competition from all around the world would make it difficult to make any kind of serious money there.

I Am Nobody · 25-07-2020 06:13PM

What I dont understand is the conflict of this discussion that is posed mostly by men.Is it the Woke one who have issues about women who make money from the beauty of their bodies?Why wouldn't they if there is market for it?

Kamu · 25-07-2020 06:14PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe. I'd have thought that there was huge competition from all around the world would make it difficult to make any kind of serious money there.

There is massive competition, but most who begin have some form of prior following through Instagram/Twitter/Reddit or Cammed.

There will also always be that small fraction of guys looking for something new all the time.

Main issue, which I discussed earlier, is that there is a shelf-life for these women; you either do more Hardcore stuff, more surgery, offer more experiences like phone-calls/texts and the likes or be replaced by women who will or the new generation of 18 year old's* who will.

*Though, as with all other aspects of life, there will be a market for MILFS, very petite women, very fat women , etc.

Kamu · 25-07-2020 06:15PM

I Am Nobody wrote: »

What I dont understand is the conflict of this discussion that is posed mostly by men.Is it the Woke one who have issues about women who make money from the beauty of their bodies?Why wouldn't they if there is market for it?

Some of those women are with men and are earning so much that the guy doesn't have to 'work'*

*I imagine the guy helps create the content though.

Mister Vain · 25-07-2020 06:18PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe. I'd have thought that there was huge competition from all around the world would make it difficult to make any kind of serious money there.

Ohh there is competition but there is a big demand too. The freelance models that do nude modelling for example would generally make a lot more money than those working for modeling agencies, unless they're big time fashion models.

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