rsa supporting e-scooters

magicbastarder · 01-07-2020 10:20AM

that's one approach. but as an option for someone who can't afford a moped, or car, etc., forcing someone who might otherwise be able to use them, to pay for lessons and sit a test for a vehicle type they don't intend using, is, well, stupid.

MojoMaker · 01-07-2020 10:39AM

^^ Completely. That's not a trivial expense by any means.

loyatemu · 01-07-2020 11:40AM

it's nuts, it's like saying "you can only ride a bike if you first buy a car". UK approach stinks, I hope they don't just copy it here.

Atlantic Dawn · 01-07-2020 11:44AM

I think some level of confirmed basic knowledge of rules of the road is needed, passing the theory test would give this and also having the learner permit would allow punishment for breaking the rules.

magicbastarder · 01-07-2020 12:01PM

they can impose the limits on the max speed and use of them, without placing those limits on the user. similar to bikes; you'd be able to get up to a greater speed on an e-bike than many scooters, and they'd probably weigh more too. but there's (sensibly) no need for a test for e-cyclists.

Macy0161 · 01-07-2020 12:12PM

There is zero requirement for a licence to impose penalties for law breaking.

The appalling compliance by motorists to traffic laws is proof enough that licences are not an effective enforcement measure. Enforcement is.

tomasrojo · 01-07-2020 01:25PM

The adult demographic most likely to use e-scooters is also the adult demographic least likely to have a driving licence.

tomasrojo · 01-07-2020 01:27PM

Bit about the NZ experience here:
https://twitter.com/acurlywurly/status/1278261397596499970

Also makes a few points about minorities not having driving licences, and e-scooters, pre-covid-19 at least, not overall replacing car journeys.

beauf · 01-07-2020 02:21PM

Early adopters are least likely to bothered with the lack of legislation around them.

Will putting legislation in place broaden their viability for a wider demographic.

For me an eBike still makes more sense for my commute.. Though I probably get escooter as well.

Grassey · 01-07-2020 02:28PM

They should just say on the spot fines for breaking traffic laws (as per other road users), allow them on road,in cycle lane, on path (slow speed, yielding to pedestrians). Job done, everyone is happy.

I'd find it hard to think there is anyone that has such a limited grasp (*) of basic traffic laws without doing a test, such as stopping, yielding etc. My toddler even knows red is stop and green is go in the car!

(*) yes, everyday users will run reds, sit in yellows etc, but that's willful, not ignorance!

Stuff like mandatory insurance, licence, clothing, 'safety' equipment, rental only is all smoke to distract from ensuring takeup is nil

LeeroyJ. · 01-07-2020 03:03PM

Hoping the Greens in Government now will help the case for legislation.

timsey tiger · 01-07-2020 07:22PM

Is this a case of 2+2=5, could they be talking about a new class of driving licence specifically for electric scooters? You have to have a driving licence to drive a tractor/bus/motor bike, however the licence in question is not a car licence.

ExoPolitic · 25-07-2020 10:34AM

Has anybody seen any progress on this since the last bill was wiped at the dissolution of the Dail?

MojoMaker · 25-07-2020 12:21PM

No updates as far as I heard. But I saw something interesting in suburbia during the week - a Garda remonstrating with a middle-aged portly gentlemen who had surrendered his escooter-with-a-seat to the Gannon's recovery vehicle - presumably impounded and off to the yard.

beauf · 25-07-2020 01:35PM

It's a disgrace it's not sorted out..

magicbastarder · 25-07-2020 01:50PM

the greens have had a policy to support regularising them, but voted with a lot of other parties in october to await the result of a three month consultation process. it's long since past that three month deadline, however.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/most-political-parties-side-with-government-against-ff-e-scooter-bill-1.4054359

tomasrojo · 25-07-2020 02:19PM

Hopefully now the internal unrest around the programme for government and the leadership contest is over, Eamon Ryan can get to sorting some of this stuff out.

Thargor · 25-07-2020 02:40PM

Wonder how many of them Lidl pumped into the system recently and if there was a corresponding uptick in Garda seizures?

Markcheese · 27-07-2020 12:30AM

Honestly surprised this didn't get rushed through as a reaction to covid ... Avoid public transport use an e-scooter ,kind of perfect timing for it . (Especially before winter )

1bryan · 27-07-2020 09:52AM

Thargor wrote: »

Wonder how many of them Lidl pumped into the system recently and if there was a corresponding uptick in Garda seizures?

was wondering the same.

I also wonder if more of a blind eye is being turned to it, in light of Covid.

MojoMaker · 27-07-2020 10:22AM

Clearly not though, as I witnessed just a few days ago.

No interest in impounding the illegal scramblers in our parks and footpaths, yet happy to take a slow-moving scooter off a middle aged lad minding his own business.

LeeroyJ. · 26-10-2020 05:46PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e-scooters-to-be-legalised-in-2021-eamon-ryan-says-l03tpmrmb

E-scooters to be legalised in 2021, Eamon Ryan says

Markcheese · 26-10-2020 06:16PM

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e-scooters-to-be-legalised-in-2021-eamon-ryan-says-l03tpmrmb

E-scooters to be legalised in 2021, Eamon Ryan says

Oh wow .
Brilliant ,the sooner the better ...

Markcheese · 26-10-2020 06:22PM

I have no prob with a speed / power restriction ,
I have no problem with a requirement for a helmet and or hi-vis jacket ,
To be honest I've no problem with a requirement that you've done the equivalent of a cycle training course or have a provisional licence ...
And that if youre acting the tit your scooter can be seized ...
But a lot of those things may be controversial ...

26-10-2020 06:46PM

Definite increase in e-scooters round my way in recent months. We've no cycle lanes so it's a 50/50 split between the road and footpath. I'd one girl come up behind me when I was walking a few weeks back and rang her bell to alert me to her presence and I damn near jumped out of my skin

We both had a good laugh, I tend to be in a world of my own thoughts when I go for a walk.

The biggest problem with 99% of the ones I've seen is how sh!te the rear lights on them are. I've seen better lights on Christmas trees.

Inquitus · 26-10-2020 07:35PM

Markcheese wrote: »

I have no prob with a speed / power restriction ,
I have no problem with a requirement for a helmet and or hi-vis jacket ,
To be honest I've no problem with a requirement that you've done the equivalent of a cycle training course or have a provisional licence ...
And that if youre acting the tit your scooter can be seized ...
But a lot of those things may be controversial ...

Why would you impose these rules on scooters when cyclists are not required to meet any of them?

magicbastarder · 26-10-2020 07:42PM

yeah, there's definitely a 'be careful what you wish for' concern here. as that'd normalise introducing those rules for cyclists.

albeit with the caveat about the max speed, that's already kinda baked in with e-bikes anyway.

beauf · 26-10-2020 08:00PM

Markcheese wrote: »

I have no prob with a speed / power restriction ,
I have no problem with a requirement for a helmet and or hi-vis jacket ,
To be honest I've no problem with a requirement that you've done the equivalent of a cycle training course or have a provisional licence ...
And that if youre acting the tit your scooter can be seized ...
But a lot of those things may be controversial ...

It interesting how you've not mentioned the one thing that is a legal requirement for bicycles. Lights.

Inquitus wrote: »

Why would you impose these rules on scooters when cyclists are not required to meet any of them?

Not entirely true. There is a speed/power restriction on eBike's that want to be treated the same as bicycles. If you have one that exceeds those regulations, it has different legal obligations.

beauf · 26-10-2020 08:00PM

This was interesting...

https://goosed.ie/electric-scooters-to-be-legalised-in-ireland/

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 26-10-2020 08:08PM

At the very least, the operator should have a learner permit (any category) to which penalty points can be applied.

They should be registered and insured for a small sum (€50 per year).

No motor tax. Otherwise it would discourage use.

rsa supporting e-scooters

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