FF/FG/Green Next Government

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 06:08AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Sitting in opposition maybe bad, then she looks at the rabble sitting with her and that would give anyone a sour puss :-)

Correct..that bunch of Trotters and mè fèiners could never form a govt.

We would be ruined.

Bishop of hope · 24-07-2020 06:31AM

Scoondal wrote: »

The government was defeated in a parliamentary vote.
They had been limping along for a few weeks. But now their authority to govern the country is damaged.

I don't see how you come to that conclusion.
Their authority is a democratic one at all times, decisions like the appointment yesterday aren't votes that have a bearing on governance really.
A few disgruntled FGrs over it and a few FFrs sticking the boot in, but their authority to govern is still in tact.
A bit over dramatic there Scoon.

xl500 · 24-07-2020 06:41AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I don't see how you come to that conclusion.
Their authority is a democratic one at all times, decisions like the appointment yesterday aren't votes that have a bearing on governance really.
A few disgruntled FGrs over it and a few FFrs sticking the boot in, but their authority to govern is still in tact.
A bit over dramatic there Scoon.

I think it is an embarrassment and could indicate underlying tensions after all the Government candidate was defeated a big surprise and shows at least in a secret ballot there is not that much unity

Bishop of hope · 24-07-2020 06:51AM

xl500 wrote: »

I think it is an embarrassment and could indicate underlying tensions after all the Government candidate was defeated a big surprise and shows at least in a secret ballot there is not that much unity

A bit of payback for Cowen I reckon.

Truthvader · 24-07-2020 07:16AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A bit of payback for Cowen I reckon.

Or the me me me crew in FF who didn"t the Ministry they were obviously entitled to doing a bit of backstabbing in a selfish rage

Edgware · 24-07-2020 08:11AM

Scoondal wrote: »

The government was defeated in a parliamentary vote.
They had been limping along for a few weeks. But now their authority to govern the country is damaged.

You are grasping at straws. These lads are on the gravy train and will stay on it for the full term. The usual whingers on the ditch will get their bit of airtime but will make no difference

is_that_so · 24-07-2020 08:15AM

Scoondal wrote: »

The government was defeated in a parliamentary vote.
They had been limping along for a few weeks. But now their authority to govern the country is damaged.

It was a free secret vote, no whips at work, just an assumption that TDs would vote the government's way. Optics of first woman as LCC are better than a 71 year old on his swansong.

McMurphy · 24-07-2020 09:03AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It was a free secret vote, no whips at work, just an assumption that TDs would vote the government's way. Optics of first woman as LCC are better than a 71 year old on his swansong.

Poor auld Fergus, when he spoke out about Irish water he was referred to as "an irrelevant and disgruntled ex minister with too much to say for himself"

Now he's a 71 year old on his swansong.

Some lads on here reckoned he had zero say in one of his own constituencies (Dundalk):D

Poor auld Fergus.

RandomViewer · 24-07-2020 01:24PM

Edgware wrote: »

You are grasping at straws. These lads are on the gravy train and will stay on it for the full term. The usual whingers on the ditch will get their bit of airtime but will make no difference

Next April max, it's going to be a bad winter ,FF have 37 scandals yet to come (minimum) Varadker governing from the backseat, Greens nitpicking at each other while all around them crumbles

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 01:28PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Next April max, it's going to be a bad winter ,FF have 37 scandals yet to come (minimum) Varadker governing from the backseat, Greens nitpicking at each other while all around them crumbles

You seem to be looking forward to this?

Are you planning any celebrations or stuff....maybe a bouncing castle or sommit?.

McMurphy · 24-07-2020 01:45PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You seem to be looking forward to this?

Are you planning any celebrations or stuff....maybe a bouncing castle or sommit?.

Fierce hard for them lads to get insurance these days I hear Brenner. No idea what's contributed to the steep premiums.

Snow Garden · 24-07-2020 01:48PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Next April max, it's going to be a bad winter ,FF have 37 scandals yet to come (minimum) Varadker governing from the backseat, Greens nitpicking at each other while all around them crumbles

I think the opposition will give FFG 2 years or more. They wont want to take over during a severe recession and they will sit back and watch FFG stumble around in chaos (look at the first month). I cant see any winners for the FFGG govt. The 30 billion of borrowing this year will eventually require an austerity period.

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 02:02PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I think the opposition will give FFG 2 years or more. They wont want to take over during a severe recession and they will sit back and watch FFG stumble around in chaos (look at the first month). I cant see any winners for the FFGG govt. The 30 billion of borrowing this year will eventually require an austerity period.

The opposition will sit back for as long as they can, Snow.

I just happened to hear Cullinane the “we’ve broken the State” guy bleating on the radio about care for people over the winter .

The “Up the Ra. And “ broken the State” guy!!

Rings kinda hollow to this subscriber.

Snow Garden · 24-07-2020 02:07PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The opposition will sit back for as long as they can, Snow.

I just happened to hear Cullinane the “we’ve broken the State” guy bleating on the radio about care for people over the winter .

The “Up the Ra. And “ broken the State” guy!!

Rings kinda hollow to this subscriber.

Cullinane creeps me out, always did. His many performances pre-election on the Tonight Show were Borg like.
He was benched after the post election singalong but is making a public comeback. Something about Change

Actually I am not sure what your point was now.

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 02:14PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Cullinane creeps me out, always did. His many performances pre-election on the Tonight Show were Borg like.
He was benched after the post election singalong but is making a public comeback. Something about Change

Actually I am not sure what your point was now.

Basically it was how can folk like Cullinane and many others in the opposition be taken seriously,pumping out ‘concern’ for others which leads to one conclude that the opposition will remain in opposition,until the opposition fillets that coterie from their ranks.

Bit of a convoluted sentence, I admit , it hope you got the point.

RandomViewer · 24-07-2020 02:45PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You seem to be looking forward to this?

Are you planning any celebrations or stuff....maybe a bouncing castle or sommit?.

Popcorn and whiskey, maybe a few pizzas, FF reverting to 2008 mode in seconds after government formation is very entertaining, FGers spinning in defence of people they can't stand ,and the Greens acting like the audience at a Happy Mondays concert in the 90s

RandomViewer · 24-07-2020 02:53PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Basically it was how can folk like Cullinane and many others in the opposition be taken seriously,pumping out ‘concern’ for others which leads to one conclude that the opposition will remain in opposition,until the opposition fillets that coterie from their ranks.

Bit of a convoluted sentence, I admit , it hope you got the point.

Oddballs in every party, Greens full of them, might be requirement for membership but i think FG have the market cornered with Harris, O Donovan and that strange Burke guy with the eye make up

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 02:54PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Popcorn and whiskey, maybe a few pizzas, FF reverting to 2008 mode in seconds after government formation is very entertaining, FGers spinning in defence of people they can't stand ,and the Greens acting like the audience at a Happy Mondays concert in the 90s

He heh good description there , Mr RV

hotmail.com · 24-07-2020 03:02PM

The 16 grand top up to the so called junior ministers who can sit at cabinet at a time of recession is beyond grotesque.

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 03:04PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The 16 grand top up to the so called junior ministers who can sit at cabinet at a time of recession is beyond grotesque.

Whoooooy?

McMurphy · 24-07-2020 03:11PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Whoooooy?

https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1286602721152438272?s=09

christy c · 24-07-2020 03:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1286602721152438272?s=09

While I dont like the 16k pay rise, Pearse Doherty has some neck. This is the ape that wanted to spend Apple's money only a few months ago, I wonder what that sort of foolery would have done to our borrowing costs? A lot more than 16k I would think.

But anyway, that is seperate from the pay rise.

Brendan Bendar · 24-07-2020 03:34PM

christy c wrote: »

While I dont like the 16k pay rise, Pearse Doherty has some neck. This is the ape that wanted to spend Apple's money only a few months ago, I wonder what that sort of foolery would have done to our borrowing costs? A lot more than 16k I would think.

But anyway, that is seperate from the pay rise.

Indeed mr C.

I dont like it either, however I would presume that a junior minister would have more responsibility than a run of the mill TD.

I presume that in the real world responsibility should be paid for, otherwise nobody would accept it .

So I can’t see what the big deal is.

Differential..... that’s what it’s all about.

The dude who takes the responsibility should get more than the dude who doesn’t.

Simples.

James Brown · 24-07-2020 03:37PM

christy c wrote: »

While I dont like the 16k pay rise, Pearse Doherty has some neck. This is the ape that wanted to spend Apple's money only a few months ago, I wonder what that sort of foolery would have done to our borrowing costs? A lot more than 16k I would think.

But anyway, that is seperate from the pay rise.

Good man.

Edgware · 24-07-2020 03:40PM

Change, popular vote, workers, dinny, mehole, zzzzzzzzz!

christy c · 24-07-2020 03:43PM

Bowie wrote: »

Good man.

I know it's shooting the messanger, but when the messanger is a buffoon it's difficult not to.

blanch152 · 24-07-2020 03:47PM

christy c wrote: »

I know it's shooting the messanger, but when the messanger is a buffoon it's difficult not to.

Doherty makes the average buffoon look and sound like a genius.

Snow Garden · 24-07-2020 03:55PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Basically it was how can folk like Cullinane and many others in the opposition be taken seriously,pumping out ‘concern’ for others which leads to one conclude that the opposition will remain in opposition,until the opposition fillets that coterie from their ranks.

Bit of a convoluted sentence, I admit , it hope you got the point.

I guess I am Shinnerbot so I am forced to defend SF eh?

I do hope FFG merge officially and a new party emerges for the next GE. A party with decent honest candidates and no baggage. Otherwise I hope SDs continue to grow and that Labour learn some lessons and make a comeback.

To your Cullinane point, I will never like the guy but having said that I guess the opposition can only pray for selfless TDs of the caliber of Dara Murphy, Maria Bailey, Barry Cowen, Alan Farrell, Josepha Madigan etc etc :P

McMurphy · 24-07-2020 04:21PM

christy c wrote: »

While I dont like the 16k pay rise, Pearse Doherty has some neck. This is the ape that wanted to spend Apple's money only a few months ago, I wonder what that sort of foolery would have done to our borrowing costs? A lot more than 16k I would think.

But anyway, that is seperate from the pay rise.

Doherty wasn't the author of the tweet, he merely retweeted it, so basically what you just have posted is basically - I don't like the 16k rise either, but because Doherty retweeted that, apple tax shinner grumble grumble.

blanch152 wrote: »

Doherty makes the average buffoon look and sound like a genius.

Remember that time he had to point out the big gaping hole in Noonans calculations?

Now, come tell me if you have someone "who makes the average buffoon look like a genius" correcting your math, what does that make them look like?

The phantom €2 billion: How everyone except Sinn Féin got the maths wrong

Awkward.

24-07-2020 04:23PM

Didn't take long to get the feet back under the table.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1286693568422318081

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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