Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

Seth Brundle · 23-07-2020 12:16PM

zell12 wrote: »

Henry McKean does 'riders of the lockdown' on Pat Kenny Newstalk later

Actually, what was the "outcome" of that?
Was it the usual PK anti-cycling rubbish?

23-07-2020 12:20PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Actually, what was the "outcome" of that?
Was it the usual PK anti-cycling rubbish?

It was a recorded piece and Henry wasn't on live himself. He was interviewing people cycling in Dublin and shop owners as well as professional drivers. The worst of it when speaking to a truck or taxi driver they were waiting for cyclist to run the red and then when one guy didn't Henry was assured that it purely because of the Garda who was there.

One lady who cycled stood as being particularly measured in her response to the questioning on safety and driver behavior.

EDIT: Wait forgot that Pat then read out a few negative tweets afterwards with little or no comment from himself iirc.

Breezer · 23-07-2020 01:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

EDIT: Wait forgot that Pat then read out a few negative tweets afterwards with little or no comment from himself iirc.

Is he sick?!

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 23-07-2020 01:27PM

Journalists really need to be more aware of what messages they send out with headlines like these:

https://twitter.com/echolivecork/status/1286271075056320512?s=19

https://twitter.com/corkbeo/status/1286264105196826624?s=19

tomasrojo · 23-07-2020 02:10PM

It goes on to mention that there were significant traffic delays while he or she was being treated at the scene, which maybe is just a thoughtless transcription of part of an earlier report, when they might have wanted to warn motorists keep clear, but seems very out of place in an article about someone being hit by a truck.

magicbastarder · 23-07-2020 03:47PM

you know the way that if a dog is involved in an attack on a human, it's put down?
i wonder should we have something like that for vehicles which are involved in crashes with more vulnerable road users.

AndrewJRenko · 23-07-2020 07:42PM

Cycling Mikey is having a field day dealing with the trolls after today's success;

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/23/guy-ritchie-banned-driving-six-months-cyclist-catches-texting-13028494/

Scoondal · 24-07-2020 03:17AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AidanAidanmc/status/1284995041564471296

looks like the causeway if you're driving from barleycove beach towards mizen head. can you imagine if joe barr had hit that on his recent run? it'd have been like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djlLrKhyNrU

Motorists messing up a good day out. They should stay home.

fat bloke · 24-07-2020 10:08AM

TheChizler wrote: »

For what? No markings beyond a couple of yield signs at the ends of the causeway, it's a legitimate free for all.

Parking at the side of a road with a solid white line up the middle such that you force traffic over that line is a parking offence though. As the oaf in the White House might say "A lotta people didn't know that". Same thing exactly happens at the Hellfire in Dublin. Folk don't see a double yellow and think it's OK to park but a sustained campaign of Gardaí ticketing has been learnin' 'em.

Grassey · 24-07-2020 10:20AM

Nah, they are back to the same ****e at hellfire now that we've won the war on covid

TheChizler · 24-07-2020 11:09AM

fat bloke wrote: »

Parking at the side of a road with a solid white line up the middle such that you force traffic over that line is a parking offence though.

It is an offence but doesn't apply here since there's no line where those cars are parked. The only marking is at the end of the causeway as I said.

https://goo.gl/maps/JouRQJXbK4n2Vba9A

Idleater · 24-07-2020 11:19AM

TheChizler wrote: »

It is an offence but doesn't apply here since there's no line where those cars are parked. The only marking is at the end of the causeway as I said.

https://goo.gl/maps/JouRQJXbK4n2Vba9A

Doesn't no line imply continuous line by default?

24-07-2020 11:21AM

Heard this report mentioned on the news earlier.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/bike-life-2019-dublin-metropolitan-area/#:~:text=Cycling%20in%20the%20Dublin%20area,from%20Dublin%20to%20London%20Heathrow.

Key findings from Bike Life Dublin include:

Nearly a quarter of adults cycle at least once a week in the Dublin metropolitan area, with 11% cycling five days a week or more

21% of adults don’t currently cycle but would like to

Residents want segregated cycling infrastructure to cycle more

70% would find more traffic-free cycle routes away from roads, e.g. through parks or along waterways useful to help them cycle more

69% would find more cycle tracks along roads, physically separated from traffic and pedestrians useful to help them cycle more

84% of residents also support building more physically separated on-road cycle tracks, even when this would mean less space for other road traffic

Cycling in the Dublin area takes up to 60,000 cars off the roads each day
Every year cycling in Dublin saves 28,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions, equivalent to carbon footprint of 400,000 people taking flights from Dublin to London Heathrow

Cycling creates €258.5 million in economic benefits for the individual and society annually

TheChizler · 24-07-2020 11:30AM

Idleater wrote: »

Doesn't no line imply continuous line by default?

If it does it's the first I've heard.

shootermacg · 24-07-2020 11:35AM

I would like to see a pollution charge leveled at ICE cars entering the city in the morning. Residents of course to be exempt. If they can do this on the M50 tolls, they can do it in the cities. The fumes are causing serious harm to the people that have to work there.

Grassey · 24-07-2020 01:06PM

Idleater wrote: »

Doesn't no line imply continuous line by default?

Traffic Signs Manual

7.3.14
On narrow roads, over-running of the carriageway edge causing
maintenance problems can occur if centre line markings are
provided. Drivers might also expect a road marked with a centre
line to be wide enough for opposing lanes of traffic to pass.
Therefore, on roads less than 5.0m width, centre line markings
should be omitted. For widths between 5.0m and 6.0m, provision
of a centre line marking is optional. In general, well-aligned roads
wider than 5.5m should be provided with a centre line marking;
poorly-aligned roads below 5.5m width should not, and judgement
should be used in intermediate cases. Section 7.3.54 provides
guidance on the use of Edge Lines where provision of a centre line
marking is not feasible.

So, there is no central line because the lane is likely too narrow to allow for cars in each lane to pass.... would suggest it's a stupid idea to park there. Haven't found anything on the 'illegality' to do it though - but probably something general in 'obstructing the lane' etc would apply?

Idleater · 24-07-2020 02:50PM

Grassey wrote: »

Traffic Signs Manual

That was the closest I got too, my search foo isn't working on negative searching the statute book

Breezer · 24-07-2020 04:21PM

shootermacg wrote: »

I would like to see a pollution charge leveled at ICE cars entering the city in the morning. Residents of course to be exempt. If they can do this on the M50 tolls, they can do it in the cities. The fumes are causing serious harm to the people that have to work there.

As an inner city resident, I'd be all for this also applying to residents, in time (say 7 years), with plenty of notice. Or some similar scheme.

fat bloke · 26-07-2020 05:00PM

TheChizler wrote: »

It is an offence but doesn't apply here since there's no line where those cars are parked. The only marking is at the end of the causeway as I said.

https://goo.gl/maps/JouRQJXbK4n2Vba9A

I guess they're all free to park like gobsh1tes then!

26-07-2020 07:20PM

Saw this on the news at tea time. Awful sad story behind why she was doing this cycle. I don't envy her doing it in her Garda uniform or bike.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0726/1155564-feileacain-trim-charity-run/

Seth Brundle · 27-07-2020 12:22PM

Backpedalling on pandemic cycling and walking schemes
Gotta love the ignorant comment from local business owner Anne Crawford:

“All the parents were going ballistic. These people sitting in traffic jams are the people going to work and paying taxes for the upkeep of the park, not the people sitting in the park on the €350 pandemic payment saying it’s all so lovely without the cars.”

AndrewJRenko · 27-07-2020 12:30PM

fat bloke wrote: »

Parking at the side of a road with a solid white line up the middle such that you force traffic over that line is a parking offence though. As the oaf in the White House might say "A lotta people didn't know that". Same thing exactly happens at the Hellfire in Dublin. Folk don't see a double yellow and think it's OK to park but a sustained campaign of Gardaí ticketing has been learnin' 'em.

Same thing on Kellystown Road, past the golf club on weekdays. I guess it is the staff from the creche, as they weren't there during the lockdown. Usually three or four cars parked on a continuous white line, just because they get away with it.

Seth Brundle · 28-07-2020 02:18AM

Some interesting proposals in England: Cycling ambitions for England move up a gear

tomasrojo · 28-07-2020 11:42AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Some interesting proposals in England: Cycling ambitions for England move up a gear

https://twitter.com/ianwalker/status/1288045053986902016

micar · 28-07-2020 07:55PM

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1288182788232040448?s=19

magicbastarder · 29-07-2020 09:54AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-cycling-infrastructure-a-tipping-point-1.4314834?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR03rCiR7k6jFw0OD5eJzewvqKw2dPwuUmpg9BYLCgD3sQLuJednEFYDBxQ

tomasrojo · 29-07-2020 10:14AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-cycling-infrastructure-a-tipping-point-1.4314834?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR03rCiR7k6jFw0OD5eJzewvqKw2dPwuUmpg9BYLCgD3sQLuJednEFYDBxQ

That was a bit of a surprise. Quite a pleasant change of tone from the last few Irish Times opinion pieces I'm aware of.

JMcL · 29-07-2020 03:01PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-cycling-infrastructure-a-tipping-point-1.4314834?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR03rCiR7k6jFw0OD5eJzewvqKw2dPwuUmpg9BYLCgD3sQLuJednEFYDBxQ

So what's the current state of play on the Phoenix Park? O'Donovan I must say sounds like a complete bell-end and as senior minister surely Eamonn Ryan could override him

Seth Brundle · 29-07-2020 03:38PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Those parents coming from the navan road that she's so concerned about could've just taken the 15 minute walk

Walk? What planet are you on?

knockoutned · 29-07-2020 05:17PM

Isn't there an entrance to that school directly from Blackhorse Ave? Down a little lane way opposite the back entrance to the SVDP? So even if you drove your kids to school, surely you could just drop them there and let them walk in. Especially if coming from the Navan Road area. Otherwise, there is also the entrance and car park at the Hole in the Wall. No problem parking there since its closed.

Why, knowing that the traffic was bad in the park would you drive by these to get to the Castleknock gates just to circle back around?

Whatever about the person being interviewed, could the journalist not put this to her. And make the wider point that stupid unnecessary trips like this are adding to the problem!

Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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