2020 Executive Officer Civil Service

gestappo · 23-07-2020 4:58pm #1

It’s opening tomorrow !!!

Gus Ivey · 23-07-2020 5:18pm

Anyone have a source for up to date pay scales for this position?
Is there much scope for promotions once you have landed the job?
Thanks

Kamu · 23-07-2020 5:32pm

Gus Ivey wrote: »

Anyone have a source for up to date pay scales for this position?
Is there much scope for promotions once you have landed the job?
Thanks

Executive officer (PPC)
30,278 – 32,036 – 33,028 – 34,965 – 36,702 – 38,380 – 40,053 – 41,691 – 43,346 – 44,954 – 46,614 – 47,712 – LSI 1 49,274 – LSI 2 50,834

That's the pay scales. 16 Years (I think) to reach that LSI 2)

Realistically, best way to be promoted would be through Open Competition like this one. You'll have to be an EO for 2 years before you can apply for any Interdepartmental or internal promotion.

job seeker · 23-07-2020 5:35pm

Hi all! What county would be the second largest intake of staff next to Dublin for this competition?

doc22 · 23-07-2020 6:37pm

job seeker wrote: »

Hi all! What county would be the second largest intake of staff next to Dublin for this competition?

Cork and Limerick at a guess

mdwexford · 23-07-2020 6:43pm

It is an absolute disgrace starting a new competition when a panel that has barely been touched was only put together last year.

What a waste of people’s time and money. Complete shambles.

doc22 · 23-07-2020 7:10pm

mdwexford wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace starting a new competition when a panel that has barely been touched was only put together last year.

What a waste of people’s time and money. Complete shambles.

The regional panels suffered because the Dublin EO panel was up

mdwexford · 23-07-2020 7:15pm

doc22 wrote: »

The regional panels suffered because the Dublin EO panel was up

So it seems but it should have no bearing.

People went to a lot of effort to place highly on last years panel. Since covid placements have been almost non existent.

Shows how little they give a crap about candidates.

EO2019 · 23-07-2020 7:21pm

They have on the website that this upcoming panel will be until the end of June 2022. They won’t be drawing from the panel until November. So back to a 2 year panel. There is no doubt that the 2019 panel for regional candidates was cut short to move back in line with Dublin.

Test wise looks like personality questionnaire to start with.

job seeker · 23-07-2020 7:22pm

doc22 wrote: »

Cork and Limerick at a guess

Thanks! The way I see it is, I might apply to them regions as I usually have a high enough result..

doc22 · 23-07-2020 8:47pm

EO2019 wrote: »

They have on the website that this upcoming panel will be until the end of June 2022. They won’t be drawing from the panel until November. So back to a 2 year panel. There is no doubt that the 2019 panel for regional candidates was cut short to move back in line with Dublin.

Test wise looks like personality questionnaire to start with.

were is this?

EO2019 · 23-07-2020 9:17pm

On pas website

EO2019 · 23-07-2020 9:18pm

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/executive-officer-2020?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Organic_Post&utm_campaign=Publicjobs_EOMicrosite

doc22 · 23-07-2020 9:21pm

EO2019 wrote: »

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/executive-officer-2020?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Organic_Post&utm_campaign=Publicjobs_EOMicrosite

Booklet says April and web says June 2022 for end date

Carlow20 · 23-07-2020 11:40pm

Bit off topic but anyone know why annual leave is so crap compared with HSE staff of similar grade?

Are there perks to working in civil service compared to public service?

I've only worked in HSE so just trying to compare

November Golf · 24-07-2020 12:14am

Executive Officer 2020 in the Civil Service

Executive Officers are engaged in critical analysis of proposals and reports and in examining the more complex, non-routine cases on which decisions are required. Executive Officers are involved in a wide range of roles and activities, including: researching and drafting proposals relating to policy issues and legislation; acting as junior managers in Government Departments; responsibilities for managing operations and, after some experience, large numbers of people and other resources; dealing directly with the public in support of services provided to them by the Civil Service. Executive Officers are employed in all Government Departments/Offices covering a wide range of functional responsibilities. The Executive Officer grade is the entry level to junior management in the Civil Service.

Closing Date: 3pm on Thursday 6th August 2020

Public jobs page: https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=122285&campaignId=20148704

Information Booklet: https://www.publicjobs.ie/restapi/campaignAdverts/122285/booklet

Executive Officer Competencies: https://www.publicjobs.ie/documents/Executive_Officer_Competencies.pdf

November Golf · 24-07-2020 1:21am

Please note; As an Employer of Choice and under the Programme for Government the Civil Service
is exploring the opportunities for employees to work remotely.

- Interesting note on pg. 2

On the application form you may select a maximum of two location choices, listed...

You should only select locations where you would be prepared to work if offered an appointment. The
onus is on applicants to select their correct regions. Once you have submitted your location
choice(s), changes will not be permitted. No exceptions will be made.

PLEASE NOTE: If you are invited to attend stage 3 (Interview) for one of your regional locations and you attend, you will no longer be considered for any other position in your other regional location choice.

- Interesting note on pg. 4

Chaos Black · 24-07-2020 6:05am

Public service HSE is different terms to Civil Service. Also many civil servants under normal circumstances at EO grade get flexitime. Note though that is a perk and not a given.

enfant terrible · 24-07-2020 7:18am

What would you typically be doing on a day to day basis as an EO?

Chaos Black · 24-07-2020 7:24am

Completely dependent on where you end up, Civil Service is a large organisation with a diverse range of roles even within the grades.

As a general rule of thumb EO is a junior supervisory position so will act as a go between the middle grades and clerical officers. Likely a lot of admin/procedural work with an element of having some clerical officers reporting to you who do similar work.

Overall I'd say a good grade to learn the civil service ropes and gain a valuable mix of experience as you are in the trenches with the troops.

gestappo · 24-07-2020 7:46am

I can't log into the public jobs site - anyone else have issues?

gestappo · 24-07-2020 7:47am

Will the application process be similar to the 2018 process anyone know?

I understand that interviews will be by VC but with regard to the aptitude testing?

cmac8 · 24-07-2020 8:40am

I am aware for the interdepartmental, that many people applied in the last panel that were already currently EOs hoping to fast track a move down the country.....does anyone knows do they move across then at current salary or go back to step 1 on the EO salary if they are successful in this approach?

gestappo · 24-07-2020 8:44am

cmac8 wrote: »

I am aware for the interdepartmental, that many people applied in the last panel that were already currently EOs hoping to fast track a move down the country.....does anyone knows do they move across then at current salary or go back to step 1 on the EO salary if they are successful in this approach?

you'd move across at your current scale

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 8:44am

gestappo wrote: »

I can't log into the public jobs site - anyone else have issues?

Worked fine for me!

2020 Application done, here we go again!

gestappo · 24-07-2020 8:45am

Gillouise wrote: »

Worked fine for me!

2020 Application done, here we go again!

I'm stuck in work and nothing will open, typical :rolleyes:

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 8:46am

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

- Interesting note on pg. 2

- Interesting note on pg. 4

I imagine part 4 is to stop what happened in the last campaigns, people holding out for offers in their first choice counties

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 8:47am

gestappo wrote: »

I'm stuck in work and nothing will open, typical :rolleyes:

I've been having trouble opening pdf files from publicjobs but when I open downloads they're always saved there

keanocar · 24-07-2020 8:51am

gestappo wrote: »

you'd move across at your current scale

Can you apply to this if currently an EO and hoping for a chance to get a change of department?

Kamu · 24-07-2020 8:55am

keanocar wrote: »

Can you apply to this if currently an EO and hoping for a chance to get a change of department?

Yes.

November Golf · 24-07-2020 8:58am

Gillouise wrote: »

I imagine part 4 is to stop what happened in the last campaigns, people holding out for offers in their first choice counties

Yes also, for CO 2020 they said changed the model, after the OOM is put together they only call to interview as vacancies arise so if they call you for your second county there is a job there for you. You have to decide before going tobinterview if you are willing to take an offer in that county.

Koop2345 · 24-07-2020 8:59am

Probably a silly question but does anyone know if a QQI level 5 course would make me eligible for this? Few months short of the 2 years service

November Golf · 24-07-2020 9:06am

Koop2345 wrote: »

Probably a silly question but does anyone know if a QQI level 5 course would make me eligible for this? Few months short of the 2 years service

I dont think so, they specifically ask for a level 7 award.

Although they permit entry with a leaving certificate (Level 5) if you have high grades so I dont know how they assess comparibility. Maybe send them an email.

chillmad · 24-07-2020 9:12am

keanocar wrote: »

Can you apply to this if currently an EO and hoping for a chance to get a change of department?

Be aware that if you are currently on an EO salary, that you may go back to the start of the scale by applying again through an Open competition.
Are you eligible for mobility?

gestappo · 24-07-2020 9:16am

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

- Interesting note on pg. 2

- Interesting note on pg. 4

Just to ensure I'm reading this right; You're automatically removed from the other area's listing once you interview for the first area?

thecom1993 · 24-07-2020 9:16am

How strict are they with the Leaving Cert results? I'm three years in the Civil service as a CO. It says I need three higher level subjects but only have two.

November Golf · 24-07-2020 9:18am

Disappointed about merge thread job, I put alot of effort into the OP.

gestappo · 24-07-2020 9:22am

Gillouise wrote: »

I've been having trouble opening pdf files from publicjobs but when I open downloads they're always saved there

Not working for me at all :rolleyes: I'm getting a "Please Wait" message on pdf

thecom1993 · 24-07-2020 9:23am

Try opening in Google Chrome

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 9:26am

gestappo wrote: »

Not working for me at all :rolleyes: I'm getting a "Please Wait" message on pdf

Yeah the same happens to me, but go into your downloads and the application form should be there

November Golf · 24-07-2020 9:27am

gestappo wrote: »

Just to ensure I'm reading this right; You're automatically removed from the other area's listing once you interview for the first area?

For CO 2020, you select two location, go through initial tests and given an OOM for both counties.

If they call you to interview for say your second choice county and agree to go to interview, you will be removed from the first choice panel.

If you dont agree to go to interview, you will be removed from the second choice panel. And that to wait for your first choice to come around

You only interview once and the result does not carry over.

I assume they will be using this new format going forward

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 9:29am

Koop2345 wrote: »

Probably a silly question but does anyone know if a QQI level 5 course would make me eligible for this? Few months short of the 2 years service

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

I dont think so, they specifically ask for a level 7 award.

Although they permit entry with a leaving certificate (Level 5) if you have high grades so I dont know how they assess comparibility. Maybe send them an email.

Taken from application form:

Have obtained in the Established Leaving Certificate Examination a minimum of Grade D (or post
2017 Leaving Certificate O6 grade) at Ordinary Level in Mathematics and Irish or English, having obtained a minimum or Grade C (or post 2017 Leaving Certificate H4 grade) in at least FIVE
subjects at Higher level: or hold a qualification in the opinion of the Public Appointment Service, is of a standard in terms of both level and volume of learning that is of at least an equivalent or higher standard

Like Mike said it's worth it to email them

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 9:30am

Green farmer wrote: »

At this stage, it's just registering your details ? No oom until you receive a link and complete next stage in a few weeks ?

A pdf and online application - So you're filling out 2 forms

gestappo · 24-07-2020 9:32am

thecom1993 wrote: »

Try opening in Google Chrome

I've got Edge or IE - :rolleyes:

gestappo · 24-07-2020 9:34am

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

For CO 2020, you select two location, go through initial tests and given an OOM for both counties.

If they call you to interview for say your second choice county and agree to go to interview, you will be removed from the first choice panel.

If you dont agree to go to interview, you will be removed from the second choice panel. And that to wait for your first choice to come around

You only interview once and the result does not carry over.

I assume they will be using this new format going forward

Ok thanks. I was going to put down 2 locations so I'll have to think about this

November Golf · 24-07-2020 9:42am

gestappo wrote: »

Ok thanks. I was going to put down 2 locations so I'll have to think about this

Its no harm putting down to two counties if your willing to take ether. I am putting down two counties but I wouldn't mind getting called for either county.

November Golf · 24-07-2020 9:43am

DEASP put up a video for Executive Officer campaign.

https://youtu.be/ULRh_QC3IN8

GooglePlus · 24-07-2020 9:44am

thecom1993 wrote: »

How strict are they with the Leaving Cert results? I'm three years in the Civil service as a CO. It says I need three higher level subjects but only have two.

They'll just discard you if you don't meet one of the minimum requirements.

Hopefully there'll be an internal one for you soon as you'll be able to go for that no problem.

I'd put myself forward for this one as well for the practice alone. You never know, if you do well enough and bring a case to the right people, they may let you in with your CO experience but it usually doesn't apply for the open competition.

Do you have even one year complete of a level 7? You actually only need to have completed the first year to be eligible.

Gillouise · 24-07-2020 9:45am

There's an information session at 11 on publicjobs facebook page too

gestappo · 24-07-2020 9:47am

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Its no harm putting down to two counties if your willing to take ether. I am putting down two counties but I wouldn't mind getting called for either county.

My first option is Dublin. This will be called a lot quicker than my 2nd option which will drag. i think that alone will make my decision for me.

gladerunner · 24-07-2020 9:49am

I was allocated a good position in the internal EO panel for Limerick and Tipperary.
A name hasn't been pulled off that same panel since March and our panel is still expected to expire in December.

It was such rigorous recruitment process , online test at home, then supervised test, then mock interviews to prepare and then trip to Dublin castle for the real deal.
I was delighted with my position and then Covid happened.
I was sure they would extend the panels, this new competition seems very unfair.

2020 Executive Officer Civil Service

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