Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 23-07-2020 09:46PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

My worry is that they’re using old cases to slow down the easing. I’d like to think that isn’t the case but nobody has asked why this happens. It’s never made clear at any briefing

Yeah i’d be hesitant to say that but like what other explanation is there, nearly 90 cases suddenly appearing

timsey tiger · 23-07-2020 09:51PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

My worry is that they’re using old cases to slow down the easing. I’d like to think that isn’t the case but nobody has asked why this happens. It’s never made clear at any briefing

Easing would be more affected by new cases and active cases, not deaths.

I wouldn't be worried that they are keeping the country unnecessarily locked down, what on earth would cause the government to adopt such a strategy, they are going to have to preside over picking up the pieces in the next few years?

The bigger risk is opening up to soon, there is a huge temptation to do this to minimise the damage to the economy, it is no coincidence that the world's less thoughtful leaders have erred on this side already.

Miike · 23-07-2020 09:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah i’d be hesitant to say that but like what other explanation is there, nearly 90 cases suddenly appearing

Delay in notification to the HPSC by labs, I would imagine. CIDR makes it kind of hard to 'cook the books' on the numbers and what is the HPSC's motivation for doing so? Why has no reporter asked this at the briefings instead of their usual drivel

Polar101 · 23-07-2020 10:01PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Will we get a choice if they all make it through, or be told which one is best

Hopefully the one by "Wuhan Institute of Biological Products" is the one, would love to support the local producer.

blowitupref · 23-07-2020 10:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

According to RTE news: “Over the past 14 days, 272 cases have been notified, of which 183 have actually arisen during that period, giving a 14-day-incidence of 3.84 per 100,000 of the population.”

Where did the 89 other cases come from?

So we more than likely had less than 100 cases in the previous two weeks when many thought we had 143 and 127 weekly cases?

Benimar · 23-07-2020 10:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah i’d be hesitant to say that but like what other explanation is there, nearly 90 cases suddenly appearing

Is it not a case that they are taking the date of swab as date occurring, whilst date of result is day of reporting?

For example, swab occurs on Wednesday 8th, result on Friday 10th. It’s included in the 272 cases as it is within the 2 week reporting period, but is not treated as occurring within the last 14 days, as swab taken 15 days ago?

ACitizenErased · 23-07-2020 10:23PM

Benimar wrote: »

Is it not a case that they are taking the date of swab as date occurring, whilst date of result is day of reporting?

For example, swab occurs on Wednesday 8th, result on Friday 10th. It’s included in the 272 cases as it is within the 2 week reporting period, but is not treated as occurring within the last 14 days, as swab taken 15 days ago?

Yeah that makes sense but surely there’d only be a 48 hour period prior to the 2 weeks where that occurred. I highly doubt there was 89 positives in that 48hr time frame.

Benimar · 23-07-2020 10:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah that makes sense but surely there’d only be a 48 hour period prior to the 2 weeks where that occurred. I highly doubt there was 89 positives in that 48hr time frame.

Yeah, there wouldn’t be 89, but my assumption is they use the swab date. If they use the date of referral (or onset of symptoms, which would be vague), a 4 day period is possible I’d imagine. It was about 2 weeks ago we started getting 20 cases a day.

lukas8888 · 23-07-2020 10:50PM

As anyone else noticed the big improvement in cases and deaths over the last week in the most reviled country in Europe Sweden.Meanwhile many other European countries are now reporting increasing numbers daily.

KrustyUCC · 23-07-2020 11:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

According to RTE news: “Over the past 14 days, 272 cases have been notified, of which 183 have actually arisen during that period, giving a 14-day-incidence of 3.84 per 100,000 of the population.”

Where did the 89 other cases come from?

89 out of 272 is 32.7%

That's a huge descreptancy

Somethings not right with the reporting

Strumms · 23-07-2020 11:08PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Easing would be more affected by new cases and active cases, not deaths.

I wouldn't be worried that they are keeping the country unnecessarily locked down, what on earth would cause the government to adopt such a strategy, they are going to have to preside over picking up the pieces in the next few years?

The bigger risk is opening up to soon, there is a huge temptation to do this to minimise the damage to the economy, it is no coincidence that the world's less thoughtful leaders have erred on this side already.

Precisely... opening up to soon has serious health ramifications that will be the catalyst to more people catching covid and dying. Delaying will pause the economy, economic recovery is doable. Not everyone recovers from covid.

ACitizenErased · 23-07-2020 11:13PM

HSE Daily Operations Update

11 in hospital, down by 3.
2 confirmed cases in hospitals today, one in Drogheda and one in Tallaght.
6 in ICU, no change with no deaths last 24hrs.
3 ventilated, down by 1.

Strazdas · 23-07-2020 11:18PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

As anyone else noticed the big improvement in cases and deaths over the last week in the most reviled country in Europe Sweden.Meanwhile many other European countries are now reporting increasing numbers daily.

I think we can say Covid-19 is not seasonal - cases rising again in the middle of summer.

fr336 · 23-07-2020 11:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update

11 in hospital, down by 3.
2 confirmed cases in hospitals today, one in Drogheda and one in Tallaght.
6 in ICU, no change with no deaths last 24hrs.
3 ventilated, down by 1.

It's more comforting reading than in the past! I think Ireland needs to get on with opening things up now, the mask requirements in public places is a huge improvement going forward, and how do you know how to get back to normal without taking steps? I'll never be in the reckless, disingenous it's only the flu, only old people camp but at this point the economic damage is outweighing the health issues. Not to mention health issues arising from Covid from missed hospital appointments etc! The govt are 2-3 weeks behind where they should be imo.

Away With The Fairies · 23-07-2020 11:22PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Jesus

It's cases like this that scare me shítless

It's not an outlier example of it either

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-broadway-actor-nick-cordero-has-leg-amputated-after-covid-19-complications-11975564

Is it the blood clotting aspect of Covid that causes this?

I don't know what's more scary, blood clots and strokes. Or a long illness. Or people who thinks it's nothing or just a mild illness and happy to go out infecting others without their masks.

fr336 · 23-07-2020 11:26PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I don't know what's more scary, blood clots and strokes. Or a long illness. Or people who thinks it's nothing or just a mild illness and happy to go out infecting others without their masks.

I'm no doctor but ironically people on blood clotting medication for serious conditions may be less likely to run into complications with Covid as their blood is obviously clotting well.

fritzelly · 23-07-2020 11:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update

11 in hospital, down by 3.
2 confirmed cases in hospitals today, one in Drogheda and one in Tallaght.
6 in ICU, no change with no deaths last 24hrs.
3 ventilated, down by 1.

6 in ICU is great news

Are FF gonna wait til it's down to 0 for a month before doing anything else
Our ICU has never been under strain even at the worst point and very low figures for well over a month

Renjit · 23-07-2020 11:44PM

Spain needs to slow down.

fr336 · 23-07-2020 11:53PM

fritzelly wrote: »

6 in ICU is great news

Are FF gonna wait til it's down to 0 for a month before doing anything else
Our ICU has never been under strain even at the worst point and very low figures for well over a month

Agreed govt are being too slow with easing of restrictions. But lockdown was reason ICU didnt come under strain - we shouldn't forget this. And there won't be another lockdown (probably).

AlmightyCushion · 23-07-2020 11:59PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I don't agree. It wouldn't be difficult as many have said to give pertinent information first i.e. that 1 person has died in the last day. Then provide other historical new additions. They (journalists) can't help themselves making headlines for bad news and putting context in the articles, so saying 1 death in last 24 hours would at least temper that.

That 1 person that wasn't in the 8 from April, May and June may not have died in the last 24 hours. Like the other 8, it was reported in the last 24 hours. The person could have died a week or two ago and only been reported yesterday.

If he had said there was only 1 death and a further 8 historical deaths, there would be all sorts of questions being asked by the reporters and people would accuse him of hiding the figures or trying to obscure them (like what happened with the German backlog cases).

caveat emptor · 24-07-2020 12:08AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That 1 person that wasn't in the 8 from April, May and June may not have died in the last 24 hours. Like the other 8, it was reported in the last 24 hours. The person could have died a week or two ago and only been reported yesterday.

If he had said there was only 1 death and a further 8 historical deaths, there would be all sorts of questions being asked by the reporters and people would accuse him of hiding the figures or trying to obscure them (like what happened with the German backlog cases).

I'd agree. I'd want to know where and why they were hiding the bodies?
Whole thing is opposite of transparent.
Early on it was frustrating as the case numbers where been manipulated by testing criteria being too stringent. I would guess to control and curtail panic.

Now it seems like the opposite.
Retrospectively add and announce deaths for which we have no context. Makes nice headlines though.

Distracts nicely from schools in September and how any reopening is essentially contrary to public health guidance which ever way you look at it.

ChelseaRentBoy · 24-07-2020 12:18AM

SteHam wrote: »

A friend of mine caught it in Italy and had to get his leg amputated as a result... He was only 24 and played lacrosse so was fit as a fiddle.

This virus no joke.

Absolutely shocking that.

SeaBreezes · 24-07-2020 12:26AM

lukas8888 wrote: »

As anyone else noticed the big improvement in cases and deaths over the last week in the most reviled country in Europe Sweden.Meanwhile many other European countries are now reporting increasing numbers daily.

Yeah, they went on summer hols last June, so would expect to see numbers tail off. I'd be watching them come sept though when schools/colleges/work all kick off again. We'll find out if herd immunity is a thing then..

AlmightyCushion · 24-07-2020 12:29AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'd agree. I'd want to know where and why they were hiding the bodies?
Whole thing is opposite of transparent.
Early on it was frustrating as the case numbers where been manipulated by testing criteria being too stringent. I would guess to control and curtail panic.

Now it seems like the opposite.
Retrospectively add and announce deaths for which we have no context. Makes nice headlines though.

Distracts nicely from schools in September and how any reopening is essentially contrary to public health guidance which ever way you look at it.

What are you on about? The testing criteria was stringent at the beginning because we didn't have the testing capacity to do otherwise. Do you not remember the backlog that went to Germany? We have a much better testing capacity now so we can have a looser testing criteria.

There was context given to the deaths. He immediately said they were from deaths that happened months ago and were only reported yesterday.

caveat emptor · 24-07-2020 01:03AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What are you on about? The testing criteria was stringent at the beginning because we didn't have the testing capacity to do otherwise. Do you not remember the backlog that went to Germany? We have a much better testing capacity now so we can have a looser testing criteria.

There was context given to the deaths. He immediately said they were from deaths that happened months ago and were only reported yesterday.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

I'm aware we didn't have enough fvcking tests. Didn't stop people going "ah sure it's not that bad" or people going today our numbers were not curtailed.

I'm also aware we didn't have enough masks.
"Didn't stop people going they don't work"

What context was that? I may be missing something.
Saying they happened sometime in the past is not context.

Why are they only being added now?
Why are some deaths added sooner rather than later?

Announcing 90% of the deaths today as having happened in the past and not explaining why that is = Not transparent IMHO.

branie2 · 24-07-2020 01:09AM

Thanks for new thread

ShineOn7 · 24-07-2020 01:32AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/23/american-southwest-say-medical-exemptions-cant-be-used-to-avoid-masks.html

Passengers who refuse to wear masks based on medical exemptions will no longer be able to fly on American Airlines and Southwest Airlines.

On Wednesday, both air carriers announced anyone over the age of two must wear a mask while flying. Masks can only be removed to eat or drink, and Southwest’s new policy states these instances should be “very brief.”

“Customers and team members have been clear that they feel more safe when everyone is wearing a face covering,” said Alison Taylor, chief customer officer of American Airlines, in an announcement posted on the company’s website.

fritzelly · 24-07-2020 01:40AM

Good luck trying to get kids over 2 to wear them constantly

ceadaoin. · 24-07-2020 02:08AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Good luck trying to get kids over 2 to wear them constantly

I think most older kids will be fine wearing a mask when required. My daughter is going back to school next month (at least that's the plan at this point in time) and will have to wear a mask all day. Its just something they'll have to get used to. But yeah it will probably be tough trying to get 2 year olds to keep them on. It should be 5 and up

Icyseanfitz · 24-07-2020 02:15AM

As someone who works in a large post primary school, good luck getting teenager's to wear masks/ppe gear all day, will only be a joke to them.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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