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Truthvader · 21-07-2020 05:50PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What's wrong with a nominal rent?

Sold to who? Why would you sell them?

Do you know how differential rent schemes work?

You know that the Scheme of Allocations for all LAs are available on their websites? You should go inform yourself on the matter before posting such nonsense.

The solutions are remarkably easy. Most of Europe has this sussed.

Right so everything is sorted forever.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 05:52PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The mythical single mother has certainly not and the father hasn’t either.

How many are there? State the scale of the problem of the folk hate figure of the feckless single mother with her brood hanging out of her leeching off the smart clever hard working boys like yourself (despite the fact that children's allowance helped your parents put shoes on your feet and bread in your lunchbox only for you to grow up to peddle guff on the internet anonymously).

Figures or get lost.

You don't have any. You're just on a mindless right wing rager

namloc1980 · 21-07-2020 05:54PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Probably the price of not having the Irish corporate tax regime attacked by other EU capitals for the next 7 years.

Tax is a national competence so paying €16bn to keep control of something we already control seems fairly pointless and a waste.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 05:54PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Right so everything is sorted forever.

I want to say yes?

But seeing as you haven't a bog about what you're on about it's probably best it's left here.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 05:55PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Right so everything is sorted forever.

There's more thought in the five lines of his/her post than the 700 odd you've bashed out high on ket and your 'truthvading'

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 05:58PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I want to say yes?

But seeing as you haven't a bog about what you're on about it's probably best it's left here.

Possible landlord of multiple poor quality rental properties, sees L.A. housing as a threat to his income.

christy c · 21-07-2020 06:00PM

McMurphy wrote: »

But anyone suggesting we build Social housing, which also could also be paid back over decades (not to mention meaning we could park the hotels, B&Bs and paying hedgefunds their 25year leases) possessed a magic money tree.

For me it was the whole combination of things that required the money tree, the absolutely clueless pension plans, abolishing LPT, cutting income tax, spending the apple tax (that would have required a very fast growing tree as it would have been needed only a few short months after some wanted to spend it), etc. If borrowing to build social housing was done combined with semi sensible other policies it probably could be done.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 06:01PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Possible landlord of multiple poor quality rental properties, sees L.A. housing as a threat to his income.

I always view these anti-Social Housing people as victims of FF's property ladder ruse and purchased a 3 bed semi in Rochfortbridge and is still stuck there commuting to a business park in Dublin.

James Brown · 21-07-2020 06:06PM

I'd rather a low paid worker in a council owned property paying the council rent than a low paid worker in a luxury apartment at a likely much higher rent being subsidised by the tax payer to pay to a private landlord.

LawBoy2018 · 21-07-2020 06:09PM

HAP is stupid but it's better than people being forced into homelessness.

christy c · 21-07-2020 06:10PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I always view these anti-Social Housing people as victims of FF's property ladder ruse and purchased a 3 bed semi in Rochfortbridge and is still stuck there commuting to a business park in Dublin.

That's as lazy a generalisation as saying every one in social housing is a scrounger.

LawBoy2018 · 21-07-2020 06:12PM

Hopefully the spike in cases today is an anomaly. If not, surely that's the 'green list' binned for the time being?

MrMusician18 · 21-07-2020 06:14PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tax is a national competence so paying €16bn to keep control of something we already control seems fairly pointless and a waste.

Perhaps. But if you have capitals agitating for change, the competencies can change. If keeping it off the agenda cost 15bn for 7 years, Ireland got it for cheap.

Of course I'm only speculating. We have no idea what side deals were done, and what promises of support were exchanged in these meetings. I would fully expect Ireland to be looking at protection for it's corporate tax regime as a priority in any and every negotiation. Other countries know Irish support can be bought with pledges on that.

The EU plastics tax from 2021 (own resources) will be interesting to see how it's implemented.

McMurphy · 21-07-2020 06:15PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmm unpaid rent to DCC what is it....... 37 million?

That’s a good asset

Oh dear Brenner, you got me there, how's about this for a suggestion though, deducted from source be it says or dole money.

You know them proposal's that were floated to try and scare middle Irelanders who wouldn't pay Irish water?

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 06:18PM

christy c wrote: »

That's as lazy a generalisation as staying every one in soxial housing is a scrounger.

There's a mad zealotry to people opposing social housing in any form at play in this thread and others, no matter what model it takes that's quite frankly only explainable by the own property situation they're in that's stinging them some way.

There's a genuine psychosis at play. They have visions of an army of fictional single mothers rifling through their possessions and adding interest rate points to their over-leveraged buy to let mortgages that were a crap idea in the first place.

I've no problem making fun of these people, they're cartoon characters

Brendan Bendar · 21-07-2020 06:29PM

Yurt! wrote: »

How many are there? State the scale of the problem of the folk hate figure of the feckless single mother with her brood hanging out of her leeching off the smart clever hard working boys like yourself (despite the fact that children's allowance helped your parents put shoes on your feet and bread in your lunchbox only for you to grow up to peddle guff on the internet anonymously).

Figures or get lost.

You don't have any. You're just on a mindless right wing rager

https://women4women.ie/directory-of-services/women-in-dun-laoghaire-rathdown/lone-parents/

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp4hf/cp4hf/fmls/

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 06:53PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://women4women.ie/directory-of-services/women-in-dun-laoghaire-rathdown/lone-parents/

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp4hf/cp4hf/fmls/

So your first link tells us nothing about the welfare dependency of single parents.

Your second reveals that in 2016, 28'000 single parents had the status of unemployed. Which for your information, is 0.5 percent of the population of the state.

Congratulations, you throw an endless internet strop about a cohort of people that make up half a percentage point of the population.

Hell of a thing to base a political position and world view around, but I'll hand it to you, you've managed it. A sad way to be.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 06:55PM

christy c wrote: »

That's as lazy a generalisation as saying every one in social housing is a scrounger.

Meh.

I'm sure you hauled ass defending LA and housing co-op tenants when they were getting the going over on here by our resident property moguls.

Brendan Bendar · 21-07-2020 06:59PM

Yurt! wrote: »

So your first link tells us nothing about the welfare dependency of single parents.

Your second reveals that in 2016, 28'000 single parents had the status of unemployed. Which for your information, is 0.5 percent of the population of the state.

Congratulations, you throw and endless internet strop about a cohort of people that make up half a percentage point of the population.

Hell of a thing to base a political position and world view around, but I'll hand it to you, you've managed it. A sad way to be.

Includes children, students, retired folk does it.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 07:05PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Includes children, students, retired folk does it.

Read the damn link.

You're on a rager about an infitismally small part of the population. I don't know why people like you bother. You're trying to convince people and yourself there's hordes of single mothers on the scratch doing something or other to your smart and hard working clever boy paypacket, which I'm sure is absolutely massive and taxed at 72 cent on the euro.

Magic money tree etc etc.

christy c · 21-07-2020 07:13PM

Yurt! wrote: »

There's a mad zealotry to people opposing social housing in any form at play in this thread and others, no matter what model it takes that's quite frankly only explainable by the own property situation they're in that's stinging them some way.

There's a genuine psychosis at play. They have visions of an army of fictional single mothers rifling through their possessions and adding interest rate points to their over-leveraged buy to let mortgages that were a crap idea in the first place.

I've no problem making fun of these people, they're cartoon characters

Some fairly bizarre leaps there without much to back it up, as bad as any of the cartoon characters on this website.

christy c · 21-07-2020 07:27PM

Pre COVID we had approx. 1 in 6 households being jobless, that is quite a number IMO. Im not going to pretend this is the root of all problems, but it should be taken more seriously than it is.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 07:27PM

christy c wrote: »

Some fairly bizarre leaps there without much to back it up, as bad as any of the cartoon characters on this website.

I don't suppose you've been following the exploits of ELM, blanch, Brendan et al on here? Zealots is the only word for them.

I offer no apologies for that characterisation.

christy c · 21-07-2020 07:29PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't suppose you've been following the exploits of ELM, blanch, Brendan et al on here? Zealots is the only word for them.

I offer no apologies for that characterisation.

I'm not asking you to apologise, I just mentioned your bizzare leaps.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 07:34PM

christy c wrote: »

I'm not asking you to apologise, I just mentioned your bizzare leaps.

That's convenient because I won't be offering any up anyway. Yes, leaps. Of course, well explained.

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 07:35PM

christy c wrote: »

Pre COVID we had approx. 1 in 6 households being jobless, that is quite a number IMO. Im not going to pretend this is the root of all problems, but it should be taken more seriously than it is.

5% is 1 in 20,

christy c · 21-07-2020 07:37PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

5% is 1 in 20,

It is, but I don't get your point.

Truthvader · 21-07-2020 07:40PM

Yurt! wrote: »

There's more thought in the five lines of his/her post than the 700 odd you've bashed out high on ket and your 'truthvading'

Well that me told. Successive Irish goverments wrestling with the housing issue since the foundation of the state and some bloke Boards has the answer. And it was simple all the time. Who knew?

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 07:40PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Read the damn link.

You're on a rager about an infitismally small part of the population. I don't know why people like you bother. You're trying to convince people and yourself there's hordes of single mothers on the scratch doing something or other to your smart and hard working clever boy paypacket, which I'm sure is absolutely massive and taxed at 72 cent on the euro.

Magic money tree etc etc.

I always think they are sore because they got turned down by a single mother, kind of painful on the old ego

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 07:42PM

christy c wrote: »

It is, but I don't get your point.

You say one in six housholds are jobless , unemployment rate was 5% preCobvid

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