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Brendan Bendar wrote: »

‘Scroungers’?

Bile yeah?

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmm unpaid rent to DCC what is it....... 37 million?

That’s a good asset

L.A. rents should be paid at source, every other country can manage it but Ireland's local authorities can't collect rent or evictdrug dealers

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Sssssshhhh. Don't be coming in here with your sensible commentary.

Yep intetesting suggestion save that if the state builds houses they never become a state asset as they are occupied at a nominal rent. Unless of course they are sold. And then??


Plus who is to be entitled to a free house? Then if houses are free why would anyone work? If no-one works who pays for it etc etc. There are no easy instant solutions to complex social problems.

RandomViewer wrote: »

L.A. rents should be paid at source, every other country can manage it but Ireland's local authorities can't collect rent or evictdrug dealers

Bowie wrote: »

I'd suggest rent taken from source, wages or welfare.
What many seem to miss is it's the same folk, be it state owned and built or leased for 25 years in D4 or wherever.

Yup. Absolutely it should.

But again, I have experience in this regard. The biggest blocks to evictions from LA housing, are councillors. Public servants, doing their jobs, try to collect rents from tenants and try to evict non-payers.

A great example from 10 years ago:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/family-evicted-despite-plea-for-mercy-over-unpaid-rent-26655360.html

It's interesting to read something like that when you know the full story, which isn't being reported.

RBB comes across being reasonable there, but obviously he failed to tell the Indo about how he egged on that family and the whole of the PBP tribe in DL intimidated staff and encouraged that family to camp outside the Town Hall.

But yeah, Social Housing as a concept is a problem when you read some of the posts on here.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What's wrong with a nominal rent?

Sold to who? Why would you sell them?




Do you know how differential rent schemes work?

You know that the Scheme of Allocations for all LAs are available on their websites? You should go inform yourself on the matter before posting such nonsense.

The solutions are remarkably easy. Most of Europe has this sussed.

Right so everything is sorted forever.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Probably the price of not having the Irish corporate tax regime attacked by other EU capitals for the next 7 years.

Tax is a national competence so paying €16bn to keep control of something we already control seems fairly pointless and a waste.

McMurphy wrote: »

But anyone suggesting we build Social housing, which also could also be paid back over decades (not to mention meaning we could park the hotels, B&Bs and paying hedgefunds their 25year leases) possessed a magic money tree.

For me it was the whole combination of things that required the money tree, the absolutely clueless pension plans, abolishing LPT, cutting income tax, spending the apple tax (that would have required a very fast growing tree as it would have been needed only a few short months after some wanted to spend it), etc. If borrowing to build social housing was done combined with semi sensible other policies it probably could be done.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I always view these anti-Social Housing people as victims of FF's property ladder ruse and purchased a 3 bed semi in Rochfortbridge and is still stuck there commuting to a business park in Dublin.

That's as lazy a generalisation as saying every one in social housing is a scrounger.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tax is a national competence so paying €16bn to keep control of something we already control seems fairly pointless and a waste.

Perhaps. But if you have capitals agitating for change, the competencies can change. If keeping it off the agenda cost 15bn for 7 years, Ireland got it for cheap.

Of course I'm only speculating. We have no idea what side deals were done, and what promises of support were exchanged in these meetings. I would fully expect Ireland to be looking at protection for it's corporate tax regime as a priority in any and every negotiation. Other countries know Irish support can be bought with pledges on that.

The EU plastics tax from 2021 (own resources) will be interesting to see how it's implemented.

Yurt! wrote: »

So your first link tells us nothing about the welfare dependency of single parents.

Your second reveals that in 2016, 28'000 single parents had the status of unemployed. Which for your information, is 0.5 percent of the population of the state.

Congratulations, you throw and endless internet strop about a cohort of people that make up half a percentage point of the population.

Hell of a thing to base a political position and world view around, but I'll hand it to you, you've managed it. A sad way to be.

Includes children, students, retired folk does it.

Yurt! wrote: »

There's a mad zealotry to people opposing social housing in any form at play in this thread and others, no matter what model it takes that's quite frankly only explainable by the own property situation they're in that's stinging them some way.

There's a genuine psychosis at play. They have visions of an army of fictional single mothers rifling through their possessions and adding interest rate points to their over-leveraged buy to let mortgages that were a crap idea in the first place.

I've no problem making fun of these people, they're cartoon characters

Some fairly bizarre leaps there without much to back it up, as bad as any of the cartoon characters on this website.