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BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 08:02AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Oh I know.....100% expect the deflection mode in full power today

There's that projection again Shef. You'd want to be careful. You might say something of substance some day.

Tokyo · 21-07-2020 08:07AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ranting

So your complaining because I am not on boards 24 x 7 like the rest of you? Sorry but I have family/friends/work and a life.

Raving

Mod: You are in every sense of the word adding nothing to the thread. Take 48 hours off to reconsider your posting style. But if it continues, next time is a permanent threadban.

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 09:22AM

The EU Covid recovery deal, does Ireland get anything?

Eric Cartman · 21-07-2020 09:25AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

The EU Covid recovery deal, does Ireland get anything?

we get to pay a load more tax and we likely get a paltry sum of money which will be taken by aer Lingus, the LVA, VFI , some government talking shops, the hoteliers and they'll probably give those on the dole something.

The average worker or small business owner won't see a tap of it until the gap between gross and net pay grows on the p60.

McMurphy · 21-07-2020 09:30AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When did I say the sacking of Cowen was "abhorrent"?

Is this the Cowen thread? no 100% sure it isn't.

Threads about FF in govt, is Cowen a member of the FF party?

I'm pretty sure he is.

Edit didn't see Mike's 48hr ban up above.

ELM327 · 21-07-2020 09:53AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Anyway, back to my question; what do you think the solution to the housing crisis is if you don't think the status quo is working?

There is no housing crisis.

There's a "I want a free house next to mummy" crisis.

ELM327 · 21-07-2020 09:55AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The “Apple money” was never Ireland’s, we would have got next to nothing from it. You do realise thst

This is an important point to note. The 13bn was to be redistributed and Ireland would have gotten a portion.

People (mostly on the left/dole) complain about the 13bn, yet fail to realise that each year 20bn (the DSP budget) goes to support their lifestyle choice

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 09:59AM

ELM327 wrote: »

This is an important point to note. The 13bn was to be redistributed and Ireland would have gotten a portion.

People (mostly on the left/dole) complain about the 13bn, yet fail to realise that each year 20bn (the DSP budget) goes to support their lifestyle choice

Welfare budget for dole is 3 billion , the rest covers pensions, child benefit, sick pay , if you are going to knock something at least get your facts first.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 10:03AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Welfare budget for dole is 3 billion , the rest covers pensions, child benefit, sick pay , if you are going to knock something at least get your facts first.

Everyone is on the dole and is demanding a free house. Magic money tree. Margret Cash. Looney-left.

*maybe blanch will like this post, fingers crossed. It's right up his street*

ELM327 · 21-07-2020 10:10AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Welfare budget for dole is 3 billion , the rest covers pensions, child benefit, sick pay , if you are going to knock something at least get your facts first.

You have 20bn DSP budget.,
8bn goes to pensions, the rest (~12bn) goes to HAP, Dole, etc. "Sick" pay is another issue.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 10:11AM

ELM327 wrote: »

There is no housing crisis.

There's a "I want a free house next to mummy" crisis.

Is there?

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 10:12AM

ELM327 wrote: »

You have 20bn DSP budget.,
8bn goes to pensions, the rest (~12bn) goes to HAP, Dole, etc. "Sick" pay is another issue.

So why did you claim 20 billion went on dole?

ELM327 · 21-07-2020 10:21AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

So why did you claim 20 billion went on dole?

Please point to where I did?
I posted "DSP Budget of 20bn to support their lifestyle choice".
Which is true. Hap, dole, childrens allowance.

ELM327 · 21-07-2020 10:21AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Is there?

Do some research into rejected offers of free housing.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 10:24AM

Children are a lifestyle choice apparently. Go figure.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that ELM is a buy-to-let landlord with anger issues.

He's displaying all the symptoms.

ELM327 · 21-07-2020 10:50AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Children are a lifestyle choice apparently. Go figure.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that ELM is a buy-to-let landlord with anger issues.

He's displaying all the symptoms.

Children when you cannot support them with gainful employment are indeed a lifestyle choice.

No reply needed to the rest of your baiting crap.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 11:08AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Children when you cannot support them with gainful employment are indeed a lifestyle choice.

No reply needed to the rest of your baiting crap.

God help your poor lifestyle choices. Hope they don't have the same hangups as their pops when they grow up.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 11:16AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Do some research into rejected offers of free housing.

Why?

What will that research yield?

It should be noted, I have extensive experience working in and with social housing so I don't really need some "right-winger" telling me to "do some research".

Will it prove that everyone over-paying for housing is in the interests of the whole citizenry?

The free-market is the solution? Right? Would you have been against the building of houses by the State in the 30s/40s onward?

Richard Hillman · 21-07-2020 11:17AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

The EU Covid recovery deal, does Ireland get anything?

No. We owe them money.

The EU played the trick that FG played on Martin for years when it was budget time. Proposed a load of imaginary cuts to services, Martin disagrees and stops the cuts, thus leaving the negotiations thinking he has gained something.

He went to the EU. The EU talked the big one about the Brexit relief fund. Martin probably tried to negotiate keeping it, the EU agree, ok we'll keep it. Martin leaves thinking he has won something, even though it was a fund already promised.

All in all, we are net contributors to the fund to bail out the Mediterranean tourist industry. I'm reading unverified reports on twitter that we owe the 16bn. That may not be the net.

James Brown · 21-07-2020 11:35AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Roll up roll up, free housing for all is but a vote away, tiochaidh ar lá, soup available at a reduced rate also.

No more than we have been.

It's a choice to continue paying for 25 year leases, buying houses, renting hotels to use as social housing.as we currently do.
Or
Building social and affordable housing to rent or sell.
You know this though right?

How is paying for 25 year leased D4 or whatever apartments less 'free' than state owned rentals?

James Brown · 21-07-2020 11:41AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

we get to pay a load more tax and we likely get a paltry sum of money which will be taken by aer Lingus, the LVA, VFI , some government talking shops, the hoteliers and they'll probably give those on the dole something.

The average worker or small business owner won't see a tap of it until the gap between gross and net pay grows on the p60.

Would love to see low paid workers, frontline staff and small businesses get a dig out but I expect some bull**** quango or other in the next 12 months should the government last.
My money is on a kind of Covid NAMA type thing. Get in a private company to oversee who gets what etc.

efanton · 21-07-2020 11:44AM

ELM327 wrote: »

This is an important point to note. The 13bn was to be redistributed and Ireland would have gotten a portion.

People (mostly on the left/dole) complain about the 13bn, yet fail to realise that each year 20bn (the DSP budget) goes to support their lifestyle choice

The vast majority of the DSP's budget goes nowhere near the unemployed.
You could hardly call being of a pensionable age, or being disabled a lifestyle choice now could you?

No mention of the tax and Vat avoidance I see which does add up to many times more than is paid out to those that abuse the social welfare system.

in 2018 €1.938 billion of VAT owed was not collected. Under the previous FG government the percentage of VAT uncollected or illegally avoided, (the so called VAT gap), steadily increased.

While tax avoidance is a legal if not morally corrupt enterprise, tax evasion is not. Literally billions are lost to the state each year in tax evasion.

For the few that are gaming the social welfare system, there are equally as many, if not more, gaming the tax system.
What is lost to those that choose to remain unemployed and live on social welfare is small potatoes compared to what is lost by deliberate VAT and tax evasion.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/vat-gap-full-report-2019_en.pdf

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/it-s-a-matter-of-fairness-squeezing-more-tax-from-multinationals-1.4299357

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/2019-taxation-papers-76.pdf

As for the 13 billion Apple money, very few believed that it would have gone solely to Ireland. It is clearly understood by ALL political parties that if the EU had decided that money was owed, it would have to have been distributed across all EU countries where Apple sold products.
But a small fraction of €13 billion would still add up to a very sizeable sum of money.

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 11:50AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Please point to where I did?
I posted "DSP Budget of 20bn to support their lifestyle choice".
Which is true. Hap, dole, childrens allowance.

Childrens allowance is universal benefit, even billionaires qualify, why the lies?

Richard Hillman · 21-07-2020 12:03PM

We owe the EU 15.7bn

Truthvader · 21-07-2020 12:37PM

Bowie wrote: »

No more than we have been.

It's a choice to continue paying for 25 year leases, buying houses, renting hotels to use as social housing.as we currently do.
Or
Building social and affordable housing to rent or sell.
You know this though right?

How is paying for 25 year leased D4 or whatever apartments less 'free' than state owned rentals?

Christ do you have anything else to say. On and on forever about the 25 years leases. We all lnow your position. The people who know what you are talking about have responded. Enough

Eric Cartman · 21-07-2020 12:41PM

Bowie wrote: »

Would love to see low paid workers, frontline staff and small businesses get a dig out but I expect some bull**** quango or other in the next 12 months should the government last.
My money is on a kind of Covid NAMA type thing. Get in a private company to oversee who gets what etc.

Almost certainly , KPMG or someone appointed And the end conclusion is companies already getting state supports get more, the pubs and hotels get a slush fund to keep the yanks rolling in the door and businesses serving irish people / small businesses get absolutely nothing. I forsee almost no help from the banks or government for the cashflow crisis going to be caused by paying all of the VAT and income tax returns from last year up to now in october.

RandomViewer · 21-07-2020 12:57PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

We owe the EU 15.7bn

What, did MM forget to bring a translator and went "Aye, surely aye" to everything

Bannasidhe · 21-07-2020 01:28PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Please point to where I did?
I posted "DSP Budget of 20bn to support their lifestyle choice".
Which is true. Hap, dole, childrens allowance.

Being old is a lifestyle choice now?

James Brown · 21-07-2020 01:31PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Being old is a lifestyle choice now?

Don't forget having a disability.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 01:49PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Being old is a lifestyle choice now?

Well, I'll be first in line to chip away at the cosetted oldies, the biggest welfare "scroungers" of all.

Funny how they're never in the firing line from the likes of ELM eh, but the mythical single mother from Sallynoggin is?

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