FF/FG/Green Next Government

James Brown · 20-07-2020 01:55PM

Edgware wrote: »

What do we want?
FREE MONEY
When do we want it?
NOW

That's how we cover all the 'inappropriate behaviour' and sweet deals. No magic money tree.

blanch152 · 20-07-2020 10:35PM

Edgware wrote: »

What do we want?
FREE MONEY
When do we want it?
NOW

The constant refrain from the empty vessels.

Wait until they explode with indignation when they realise the rent freeze is over.

James Brown · 20-07-2020 10:38PM

Can't see LV being upset about that. Maybe MM might pipe up unless it eats into their quango kitty.

Edgware · 20-07-2020 10:49PM

Bowie wrote: »

That's how we cover all the 'inappropriate behaviour' and sweet deals. No magic money tree.

Well it looks like "the Apple money" is gone so it's back to the Brussels trough. (Wallace and Daly will have to move over)
Whatever is got won't be enough for Rich Boy and co

NovemberWren · 20-07-2020 10:54PM

Edgware wrote: »

What do we want?
FREE MONEY
When do we want it?
NOW[/QUOTE]

ff will distribute this to their corporate pals, and to fg.

who will then entomologically and strategically burrow this down and through the societal order. by appropriating the ownership of what people need, housing/health; they will cater to this; and the 'free money' will reap rich profits for the - wealthy.

James Brown · 20-07-2020 11:00PM

Edgware wrote: »

Well it looks like "the Apple money" is gone so it's back to the Brussels trough. (Wallace and Daly will have to move over)
Whatever is got won't be enough for Rich Boy and co

I honestly don't get why people think leasing apartments for 25 years, buying new at market rates and using hotels is fiscally sound but wanting to build social and affordable to help tax payers is magic money tree.

Eric Cartman · 20-07-2020 11:04PM

Bowie wrote: »

I honestly don't get why people think leasing apartments for 25 years, buying new at market rates and using hotels is fiscally sound but wanting to build social and affordable to help tax payers is magic money tree.

well in 2 of those cases you don't incur the ongoing costs of maintenance and in the other you don't discourage private builders from building. Could you imagine the spill over from mortgage seekers to social housing lists we would have if suddenly the councils were bidding on land against private developers. You'd not only increase the cost and thus cause more of an affordability issue in the private market but also increase the cost of building social housing.

NovemberWren · 20-07-2020 11:24PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well in 2 of those cases you don't incur the ongoing costs of maintenance and in the other you don't discourage private builders from building. Could you imagine the spill over from mortgage seekers to social housing lists we would have if suddenly the councils were bidding on land against private developers. You'd not only increase the cost and thus cause more of an affordability issue in the private market but also increase the cost of building social housing.

that 'the ongoing costs of maintenance' may be exactly what the beginner societal order must try to address? and even may abnegate councils.

James Brown · 20-07-2020 11:31PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well in 2 of those cases you don't incur the ongoing costs of maintenance and in the other you don't discourage private builders from building. Could you imagine the spill over from mortgage seekers to social housing lists we would have if suddenly the councils were bidding on land against private developers. You'd not only increase the cost and thus cause more of an affordability issue in the private market but also increase the cost of building social housing.

It's all subject to change. Need/Income etc.
This is about supplying houses for people who are not buying houses anyway. Nobody eligible for affordable would be able to buy on their own. That's the whole point of affordable housing.
Keeping the land we already own might side step that issue rather than selling it off.
The maintenance can be set down too. The tenancy agreement in social can be set to anything.
At the end of the day the whole magic money tree for social and affordable but blank cheques for leases and hotels is a nonsense way to tackle it as borne out by the last near decade of it getting worse.
Before anyone chimes in with rent arrears, same people going into 25 year lease apartments.

Scoondal · 21-07-2020 12:47AM

To summarise the last few days of the new government :
I can buy tea, coffee and fizzy drinks at an outside table of a cafe but they CANNOT sell a beer.
The Green List of countries should NOT be travelled to.
I can stop paying my rent and NOT be evicted.

Does everyone else think this is a sensible approach to beating the covid-19 virus ?

efanton · 21-07-2020 03:48AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well in 2 of those cases you don't incur the ongoing costs of maintenance and in the other you don't discourage private builders from building. Could you imagine the spill over from mortgage seekers to social housing lists we would have if suddenly the councils were bidding on land against private developers. You'd not only increase the cost and thus cause more of an affordability issue in the private market but also increase the cost of building social housing.

Well There's an easy way round getting into a biding war for land.
Who rezones agricultural land to development land?

All the government need do is demand they they get a small percentage of any land rezoned at a nominal cost.
Before you jump on the that would be illegal wagon, it certainly isnt. The state has been taking a percentage of finished properties of private developers for years.

AS for land going up in price because of bidding wars, it is already heavily overpriced. The difference between the cost of agricultural land, or land that has no planning permission and that of land does is truly massive.
Surely the sensible approach here is to tackle the root of the problem which is those investors who hoard land deliberately so that the price goes up.
Any unused land development land should have LPT charged against it, and legislation should be introduced so that planning permission for any plot of land is time limited.

Renting apartments for 25 years for considerably more than they could be built for is a scandalous waste of money.
You talk of the risk of government pricing its self out of the market, well what do you think is going to happen once developers realise that the government wants to get out of property ownership and instead only lease properties.
What is worse is the government giving state owned land to developers at no cost or at extremely low cost.

21-07-2020 03:57AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTkr3vHjvDM

Bishop of hope · 21-07-2020 06:17AM

Maybe yous will leave poor old Roderick alone now.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/roderic-o-gorman-accepts-john-connors-apology-for-deranged-campaign-1.4309234?mode=amp

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 06:27AM

Well done to FF and MM ok the negotiations. It makes sure Ireland has some light at end of tunnel

It will be interesting to see what rubbish SF come up with to say this is bad....where is a shinnerbot when you need one

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 06:31AM

Edgware wrote: »

Well it looks like "the Apple money" is gone so it's back to the Brussels trough. (Wallace and Daly will have to move over)
Whatever is got won't be enough for Rich Boy and co

The “Apple money” was never Ireland’s, we would have got next to nothing from it. You do realise thst

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 06:33AM

Scoondal wrote: »

To summarise the last few days of the new government :
I can buy tea, coffee and fizzy drinks at an outside table of a cafe but they CANNOT sell a beer.
The Green List of countries should NOT be travelled to.
I can stop paying my rent and NOT be evicted.

Does everyone else think this is a sensible approach to beating the covid-19 virus ?

What your alternative?

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 06:36AM

Bowie wrote: »

It's all subject to change. Need/Income etc.
This is about supplying houses for people who are not buying houses anyway. Nobody eligible for affordable would be able to buy on their own. That's the whole point of affordable housing.
Keeping the land we already own might side step that issue rather than selling it off.
The maintenance can be set down too. The tenancy agreement in social can be set to anything.
At the end of the day the whole magic money tree for social and affordable but blank cheques for leases and hotels is a nonsense way to tackle it as borne out by the last near decade of it getting worse.
Before anyone chimes in with rent arrears, same people going into 25 year lease apartments.

So what’s your plan to resolve the housing crisis

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 07:01AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well done to FF and MM ok the negotiations. It makes sure Ireland has some light at end of tunnel

It will be interesting to see what rubbish SF come up with to say this is bad....where is a shinnerbot when you need one

Wait?

You praised FF but still can't manage to leave SF out of it?

That's so unlike you Shef.

What did your gracious leader, whose decision to sack Cowen you found so abhorrent, manage to do in a negotiation with the EU that was so magnificent?

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 07:03AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So what’s your plan to resolve the housing crisis

Well he seems to be suggesting that the status quo is nonsense.

I'm assuming therefore, you believe what we're doing wrt housing should continue then. Am I correct?

What's your solution to the "housing crisis"?

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 07:17AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wait?

You praised FF but still can't manage to leave SF out of it?

That's so unlike you Shef.

What did your gracious leader, whose decision to sack Cowen you found so abhorrent, manage to do in a negotiation with the EU that was so magnificent?

When did I say the sacking of Cowen was "abhorrent"?

Is this the Cowen thread? no 100% sure it isn't.

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 07:18AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Well he seems to be suggesting that the status quo is nonsense.

I'm assuming therefore, you believe what we're doing wrt housing should continue then. Am I correct?

No

But continue to rant and rave like a lunatic

Yurt2 · 21-07-2020 07:28AM

Keeping a cool head as ever Shef. Consistency in a world gone mad.

Root out any shinnerbots from under your bed this morning? I hear they're hiding in drainpipes these days, spreading vile anti-government falsities on stolen wifi from their pay-as-you-go phones.

Anyway, I'm off to water the magic money tree. Nothing for free in this life as you say yourself. Good day.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 07:45AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No

But continue to rant and rave like a lunatic

projection
/prəˈdʒɛkʃ(ə)n/

noun

- the unconscious transfer of one's desires or emotions to another person.
"we protect the self by a number of defence mechanisms, including repression and projection"

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You're a bit ranty and aggressive this morning there Shef. Wanna talk about it? I would have thought you would have been all sweetness and light seeing as Mícheál did such a great job in Brussels over the weekend.

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 07:47AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No

Anyway, back to my question; what do you think the solution to the housing crisis is if you don't think the status quo is working?

Brendan Bendar · 21-07-2020 07:48AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well done to FF and MM ok the negotiations. It makes sure Ireland has some light at end of tunnel

It will be interesting to see what rubbish SF come up with to say this is bad....where is a shinnerbot when you need one

Don’t worry Mr S, they will ignore this hard work and quickly move on to anything more they can dig up.

But only if in their opinion it’s a negative event.

They couldn’t hang poor Rodders or poor Heather so that explains the tension in the steam rooms over the last few days.

They tried to obfuscate on the foreign travel regs too but the boy Byrne in one sentence “ If your foreign travel is not essential, don’t travel” put that to bed.

They wanted to dance on the head of a pin for a few weeks on that one.

Lot of anger out there, the little rodents with the fat cheeks will be beefed up for the next round.

Will make the ‘Big Dig ‘ over in Boston seem like a bucket and spade event.

Haven’t gone away, you know:cool:

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 07:51AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When did I say the sacking of Cowen was "abhorrent"?

Is this the Cowen thread? no 100% sure it isn't.

I'm 100% sure it's not a Sinn Féin thread either and yet it doesn't stop you shoehorning them in everywhere.

Just for clarification, you agreed with Cowen's sacking?

I ask in this thread because I was certain you weren't, and your reaction to that coupled with your disappearing act in the subsequent days would have led me to believe you didn't agree with your gracious leader's decision, thus I found your sycophantic post earlier this morning about his fortitude in negotiating with the EU26 a bit jarring.

I know it's difficult sometimes for you to thread the needle between multiple subjects and their connections sometimes. Unless they involve Sinn Féin that is. I thought I'd help you out here.

Bishop of hope · 21-07-2020 07:52AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Anyway, back to my question; what do you think the solution to the housing crisis is if you don't think the status quo is working?

Roll up roll up, free housing for all is but a vote away, tiochaidh ar lá, soup available at a reduced rate also.

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 07:57AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I'm 100% sure it's not a Sinn Féin thread either and yet it doesn't stop you shoehorning them in everywhere.

Just for clarification, you agreed with Cowen's sacking?

Ranting

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I ask in this thread because I was certain you weren't, and your reaction to that coupled with your disappearing act in the subsequent days

So your complaining because I am not on boards 24 x 7 like the rest of you? Sorry but I have family/friends/work and a life.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I know it's difficult sometimes for you to thread the needle between multiple subjects and their connections sometimes. Unless they involve Sinn Féin that is. I thought I'd help you out here.

Raving

BonnieSituation · 21-07-2020 07:58AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ranting

So your complaining because I am not on boards 24 x 7 like the rest of you? Sorry but I have family/friends/work and a life.

Raving

So as always, you've nothing to say?

Classic Shef.

Shefwedfan · 21-07-2020 07:59AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Don’t worry Mr S, they will ignore this hard work and quickly move on to anything more they can dig up.

But only if in their opinion it’s a negative event.

They couldn’t hang poor Rodders or poor Heather so that explains the tension in the steam rooms over the last few days.

They tried to obfuscate on the foreign travel regs too but the boy Byrne in one sentence “ If your foreign travel is not essential, don’t travel” put that to bed.

They wanted to dance on the head of a pin for a few weeks on that one.

Lot of anger out there, the little rodents with the fat cheeks will be beefed up for the next round.

Will make the ‘Big Dig ‘ over in Boston seem like a bucket and spade event.

Haven’t gone away, you know:cool:

Oh I know.....100% expect the deflection mode in full power today

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