Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

skallywag · 20-07-2020 07:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At the end of the day, all of the hysteria around Covid is based on the fact that people thought millions would die.
We are only on 600000 after over half a year. And we knew nothing about it for large parts of the year.
Thankfully we'll never get anywhere close to the numbers predicted.

600K have died in ca 6 months. A simple extrapolation, along with the current daily increase of known cases, would tell you that millions will be dead before too long.

Where are you getting the 'Thankfully we'll never get anywhere close to the numbers predicted' from? Which part have you difficulty understanding? Millions are indeed going to die. Are you aware that ca 250K per day globally are being confirmed as positive at the moment?

20-07-2020 07:43PM

skallywag wrote: »

600K have died in ca 6 months. A simple extrapolation, along with the current daily increase of known cases, would tell you that millions will be dead before too long.

Where are you getting the 'Thankfully we'll never get anywhere close to the numbers predicted' from? Which part have you difficulty understanding? Millions are indeed going to die. Are you aware that ca 250K per day globally are being confirmed as positive at the moment?

The whole media hysteria and lockdowns were based on experts and models claiming that millions would die in the coming months.

They were wrong. We have 600000 dead globally.
And huge numbers of those people were close to death anyways. (80+ year olds) How many deaths actually died OF Covid as opposed to WITH Covid? We’ll never know for sure unfortunately.

Millions may die if it sticks around for years. Same way hunger, cancer, flu kill millions.

The over reaction is ridiculous.
Shame hungry kids don’t get the same attention.
Putting lives first! As long as it’s a certain type of life...

FintanMcluskey · 20-07-2020 07:52PM

skallywag wrote: »

600K have died in ca 6 months. A simple extrapolation, along with the current daily increase of known cases, would tell you that millions will be dead before too long.

Where are you getting the 'Thankfully we'll never get anywhere close to the numbers predicted' from? Which part have you difficulty understanding? Millions are indeed going to die. Are you aware that ca 250K per day globally are being confirmed as positive at the moment?

That 600k is a figure thats spouted as a quantifiable figure but its tripe. Look at Ireland's median age of death. Was the primary cause of death in all 1700 or so deaths Covid?

Was it bo#ix. Tony H admitted so.

For some bizzare reason some are still clinging to the notion people will collapse in the street with Covid. I just can't fathom the hysteria and ignoring of facts.

Whats even more bizzare is that fact that since midnight last night it became unsafe to enter a shop without a mask. Over 4 months on.

Have a friend seeing a consultant in a few weeks, was sent a letter stipulating he has to bring €250 CASH to cover a Covid test as part of the procedure. In the name of jeasus!

skallywag · 20-07-2020 07:55PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For some bizzare reason some are still clinging to the notion people will collapse in the street with Covid

What? Who ever said anything along those lines?

skallywag · 20-07-2020 07:57PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That 600k is a figure thats spouted as a quantifiable figure but its tripe.

Take a look at the daily increase statistics over the last days, globally.

skallywag · 20-07-2020 07:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Shame hungry kids don’t get the same attention.

You are honestly saying that those who die from starvation do not get the same attention?

Are you just making all this up as you go along? Serious question.

20-07-2020 08:06PM

skallywag wrote: »

You are honestly saying that those who die from starvation do not get the same attention?

Are you just making all this up as you go along? Serious question.

Of course they don’t. Have we stopped the world, caved the economy and made it front page news for 7 months and counting?

lukas8888 · 20-07-2020 08:07PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Except, that's not what happened. The lockdown was actually eased much quicker than the original timeline

Phase 4 not eased, back to original date and not guaranteed to even happen then.

MickeyLeari · 20-07-2020 08:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course they don’t. We have stopped the world, caves the economy and made it front page news for 7 months and counting?

Half a million in Africa die each year from starvation. There was a song and a concert back in 1985 and very little since. You are right - maybe it should be renamed “White lives matter”.

Van.Bosch · 20-07-2020 08:08PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Penfailed wrote: »

Except, that's not what happened. The lockdown was actually eased much quicker than the original timeline

Phase 4 not eased, back to original date and not guaranteed to even happen then.

There was meant to be a 5th phase

skallywag · 20-07-2020 08:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course they don’t. We have stopped the world, caves the economy and made it front page news for 7 months and counting?

You really have no idea about the gains made to fight world starvation in the last 10 years alone, do you?

I am right. You are ad-libbing.

PTH2009 · 20-07-2020 08:09PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Penfailed wrote: »

Except, that's not what happened. The lockdown was actually eased much quicker than the original timeline

Phase 4 not eased, back to original date and not guaranteed to even happen then.

more talk of us going back phases

Allinall · 20-07-2020 08:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That 600k is a figure thats spouted as a quantifiable figure but its tripe. Look at Ireland's median age of death. Was the primary cause of death in all 1700 or so deaths Covid?

Was it bo#ix. Tony H admitted so.

For some bizzare reason some are still clinging to the notion people will collapse in the street with Covid. I just can't fathom the hysteria and ignoring of facts.

Whats even more bizzare is that fact that since midnight last night it became unsafe to enter a shop without a mask. Over 4 months on.

Have a friend seeing a consultant in a few weeks, was sent a letter stipulating he has to bring €250 CASH to cover a Covid test as part of the procedure. In the name of jeasus!

You’re accusing others of hysteria??

Have a re-read of your post.

Penfailed · 20-07-2020 08:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For some bizzare reason some are still clinging to the notion people will collapse in the street with Covid. I just can't fathom the hysteria and ignoring of facts.

Said no one...ever.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Whats even more bizzare is that fact that since midnight last night it became unsafe to enter a shop without a mask. Over 4 months on.

What's bizarre is that you think that shops became unsafe at midnight last night if you enter without a mask.

20-07-2020 08:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course they don’t. Have we stopped the world, caved the economy and made it front page news for 7 months and counting?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-population-defined-as-undernourished

200million people less undernourished now compared to 30 years ago, even though population has increased 50% in that time. Believe that happens by chance?

20-07-2020 08:13PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Half a million in Africa die each year from starvation. There was a song and a concert back in 1985 and very little since. You are right - maybe it should be renamed “White lives matter”.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/259827/global-famine-death-rate/

Globally 29 deaths per 100,000 in the 80’s, 3 in the 00’s

20-07-2020 08:14PM

skallywag wrote: »

You really have no idea about the gains made to fight world starvation in the last 10 years alone, do you?

I am right. You are ad-libbing.

It kills way more than Covid does.
And it’s not front page news. It rarely even gets a single page.

Not going to derail the topic though.

The point remains, Covid hasn’t killed the millions predicted. It’s a very small figure so far.

FintanMcluskey · 20-07-2020 08:14PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Said no one...ever.

What's bizarre is that you think that shops became unsafe at midnight last night if you enter without a mask.

Sarcasm over your head there

FintanMcluskey · 20-07-2020 08:17PM

skallywag wrote: »

Take a look at the daily increase statistics over the last days, globally.

Stay off those websites. Get out and about and turn off the news.

bb1234567 · 20-07-2020 08:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole media hysteria and lockdowns were based on experts and models claiming that millions would die in the coming months.

They were wrong. We have 600000 dead globally.
And huge numbers of those people were close to death anyways. (80+ year olds) How many deaths actually died OF Covid as opposed to WITH Covid? We’ll never know for sure unfortunately.

Millions may die if it sticks around for years. Same way hunger, cancer, flu kill millions.

The over reaction is ridiculous.
Shame hungry kids don’t get the same attention.
Putting lives first! As long as it’s a certain type of life...

This is not true at all that it's killing mostly 80 year olds worldwide. It's mostly killing middle aged people(40-65 yrs) and relatively healthy people now in actual fact since it moved out of Europe, this demographic makes upt he vast majority of new deaths worldwide since the pandemic slowed in Europe, this is fact.

In Mexico, India, Peru, Pakistan, Brazil and much of the developing world, about 50% or more of their deaths have been 59 or under, and between 50% and 66% had no underlying health conditions. This equates to hundreds of thousands of middle aged and younger people dying from covid worldwide, a majority of them with no health conditions.

It's one outbreak in Europe, a very different one for the rest of the world. COVID is a serious and dangerous disease for peple in the developing world, no doubt about this.

Links

India
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/jun/19/most-covid-19-victims-in-india-belong-to-most-productive-age-study-2158680.html

The study by the researchers attached to the International Institute of Population Sciences (IIPS), Mumbai, and others has found that more than 50% of Covid-19 deaths in India have occurred in the 40-64 or 35-64 age groups - the most economically productive ones.

Mexico:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/06/24/important-facts-about-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-mexico-city/#e7d14776c1c2

Overall, the average age of coronavirus patients included in the official list of confirmed deaths is 60.6.

Nearly half (810 out of 1735 or 46.7%) of the Covid-19 patients age 35-55 who died in Mexico City were not categorized as having diabetes, asthma or obesity.

Pakistan:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1555884

According to an age-wise analysis, the virus proved most fatal for those in 50-60 year age bracket as such patients make 32pc of the total victims.

Similarly, 16pc of the patients who died were between the age of 41 and 50 years. The patients between 61 to 70 years of age were the second-most vulnerable group as 27pc of those who died from Covid-19 fall in it and 13pc between 71 to 80.

Interestingly, only two percent of Covid-19 patients were 80 years old or above, while 10pc of the deaths occurred among those who were 40 or below.

This equates to 58% of Pakistan's death being aged 59 years of age or under, and 26% being aged 49 or under.

Indonesia
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/17/covid-19-kills-elderly-haunts-the-young-in-indonesia.html

Data updated daily by the task force show that people aged 60 and above account for 44.2 percent of the deaths as of Sunday, followed by people aged between 46 and 59 years old at 39.8 percent, while those aged 45 and below make up the remaining 16 percent.

This means 66% of deaths in Indonesia are aged 59 or under.

Peru:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.14.20123315v1.full.pdf

In contrast, most deaths were reported among those aged 50 years and above, especially among men aged 60-69(29.3%) followed by those aged 70-79 (23.2%),aged 50-59 years (20.1%) and aged 80 years and above (14.3%).

These percentages of the above 60 age groups add to 66.8%.
Meaning in Peru 33.2% of deaths have been on those aged 59 or under.

So please have at least some idea about the subject matter youre bleating on about, youre woefully misinformed of the situation. There is a reason why people are worried about it , and it's not because they are overreacting. You're underreacting due to ignorance.

Always happy to educate.

Penfailed · 20-07-2020 08:28PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Penfailed wrote: »

Except, that's not what happened. The lockdown was actually eased much quicker than the original timeline

Phase 4 not eased, back to original date and not guaranteed to even happen then.

The OP stated that the can was kicked down the road at EVERY milestone. I demonstrated that this wasn't actually the case.
Phase 4 is not actually back to the original date but is when the old Phase 5 was due to happen.

20-07-2020 08:29PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Stay off those websites. Get out and about and turn off the news.

Yeah,, instead of educating yourself, ignore facts, spout nonsense and pontificate without any real knowledge

skallywag · 20-07-2020 08:34PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Stay off those websites. Get out and about and turn off the news.

This website for example?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

FintanMcluskey · 20-07-2020 08:43PM

skallywag wrote: »

This website for example?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Good lord. Thats bizzare.

Its like porn for some no doubt

FintanMcluskey · 20-07-2020 08:45PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

This is not true at all that it's killing mostly 80 year olds worldwide. It's mostly killing middle aged people(40-65 yrs) and relatively healthy people now in actual fact since it moved out of Europe, this demographic makes upt he vast majority of new deaths worldwide since the pandemic slowed in Europe, this is fact.

In Mexico, India, Peru, Pakistan, Brazil and much of the developing world, about 50% or more of their deaths have been 59 or under, and between 50% and 66% had no underlying health conditions. This equates to hundreds of thousands of middle aged and younger people dying from covid worldwide, a majority of them with no health conditions.

It's one outbreak in Europe, a very different one for the rest of the world. COVID is a serious and dangerous disease for peple in the developing world, no doubt about this.

Links

India
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/jun/19/most-covid-19-victims-in-india-belong-to-most-productive-age-study-2158680.html

Mexico:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/06/24/important-facts-about-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-mexico-city/#e7d14776c1c2

Pakistan:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1555884

This equates to 58% of Pakistan's death being aged 59 years of age or under.

Indonesia
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/17/covid-19-kills-elderly-haunts-the-young-in-indonesia.html

This means 66% of deaths in Indonesia are aged 59 or under.

Peru:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.14.20123315v1.full.pdf

These percentages of the above 60 age groups add to 66.8%.
Meaning in Peru 33.2% of deaths have been on those aged 59 or under.

So please have at least some idea about the subject matter youre bleating on about, youre woefully misinformed of the situation. There is a reason why people are worried about it , and it's not because they are overreacting. You're underreacting due to ignorance.

Always happy to educate.

Whats the life expectancy in those places?

Whats the mortality rate of under under 65's?

Seweryn · 20-07-2020 08:45PM

skallywag wrote: »

This website for example?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Why would anyone waste their time looking at these death numbers, when even in this country it is very clear they are hugely overestimated?

Anyway, similar numbers can be displayed for flu, or may even be higher.

Beanybabog · 20-07-2020 08:47PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yes that is a major issue. My grandad had been diagnosed with very treatable prostate cancer in February. He received one bout of radiotherapy which was well tolerated, obviously this was suspended since then. It resumed today and he reacted extremely badly to the second round and is now staying in A&E overnight, I imagine it is as result of the cancer having advanced considerably in development in the meantime as he now has extreme pain in the baldder dueo to the prostate tumour growing and pressing off surrounding areas. Further testing awaiting but I don't think the news will be good.

This is just terrible. I always wondered when they talked about the “public health” advice were they talking about not spreading the virus advice only, or did they actually analyse all the knock on effects on all areas of the health service and decide it was still worth it to cancel all the other treatments

Seweryn · 20-07-2020 08:47PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Whats the life expectancy in those places?

Pakistan and India? 65 - 69 is life expectancy...

skallywag · 20-07-2020 08:53PM

Seweryn wrote: »

Why would anyone waste their time looking at these death numbers, when even in this country it is very clear they are hugely overestimated?

Are you honestly saying that this site is wrongly reporting deaths from Covid19?

20-07-2020 08:54PM

Seweryn wrote: »

Why would anyone waste their time looking at these death numbers, when even in this country it is very clear they are hugely overestimated?

Anyway, similar numbers can be displayed for flu, or may even be higher.

If similar numbers could be displayed for flu where are they?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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