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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

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    #2252
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,262 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    votecounts wrote: »
    no i dont think anyone should isolate coming from dublin and i take it you won't restrict your movements even though you may be required to do so.

    Being requested or advised to do something is entirely different than being required to do something.


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    #2253
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭acequion


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    you made the mistake of asking a simple question and there is people who just want a row regardless of the topic. they'll probably go abroad regardless of the case numbers and probably blame the americans for coming here.
    answering the question, won't be going abroad anytime soon

    It's that poster who wants a row, not the ones who point out the logic that parts of Ireland have higher numbers than places abroad. And as for your point about Americans, you do realise that the US is currently one of the worst affected countries??

    The other poster is clearly into this repressive business of restricting people's right to travel. I hope you're not and I respect your decision to stay in Ireland.

    Once again I ask you or anybody to please post a link to confirmed cases of holidaymakers in Europe testing positive for Covid on return? This vague reference to "travel related cases", Skally was at it on RTE yesterday, needs to be clarified and made public information if it is such a major risk as they claim.


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    #2254
    Wallander
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    votecounts wrote: »
    no i dont think anyone should isolate coming from dublin and i take it you won't restrict your movements even though you may be required to do so.

    Does anyone know the 14-day incidence rate for Dublin and how that compares internationally? My guess is Dublin has a similar rate to the UK but I'm happy to be proved otherwise


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    #2255
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    A very good question to ask is if we shut down now completely to EU countries, when do we reopen if our key partners are taking a risk based approach and allowing movement within that? If we get to zero do we stay closed until everyone is at zero, or until there is a vaccine? What will be the damage in the short, medium and long term from such an approach?


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    #2256
    votecounts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭votecounts


    sorry if my question annoyed people, i was just curious. Won't mention it again. Take it easy.


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    #2257
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    votecounts wrote: »
    sorry if my question annoyed people, i was just curious. Won't mention it again. Take it easy.

    Was not an unreasonable question. Out of an abundance of caution I would restrict my movements whether green or not. That also means not Visiting vulnerable relatives or any social occasion. If abroad, I will visit a country with a lower/similar rate than Ireland, will wash hands and sanitize regularly, will wear masks inside and out I’ll avoid any crowded places (which I dislike anyway).

    I also think the question on Dublin is not unreasonable. But it ultimately comes down to personal behaviour whether in your immediate community, visiting somewhere in Ireland or visiting abroad.


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    #2258
    almostover
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    cupcakedan wrote: »
    I don’t know where you’ve stayed in Austria but it’s not what we’ve experienced. We’ve holidayed in Donegal, Bray, Youghal & Killarney with the kids and the accommodation was rough and we paid through the nose for comfort. Kids under 16 are free for general admission at the Austrian Grand Prix. We’ve never spent more than €150 for 4 tickets. We’ve seen plenty of action for that section. Flights with Lufthansa on average about €400 & chalet €700. We’ve always gone for 11 days holiday. Car hire €400. We've done the Grossglockner, halstatt, Salzburg, Dachstein, zell am see, Kitzbühel, Krimml waterfalls, Brenner pass to name a few.

    We didn’t go to Austria this year because of Covid 19 I’m heartbroken we didn’t as I love it there but I wouldn’t risk my family’s health or any one else’s over it. My son who is 5 keeps saying can we go to Austria when virus is over, that’s the sad part. I won’t be spending over €1000 for less than a week to holiday at home. I’ll save my hard earned money for when we feel safe to travel.

    I understand your disappointment. Heartbreak though I'm struggling with. A second wave of COVID-19 will decimate our economy. We'll go from recession to depression. I reserve heartbreak for those who lose a loved one to the virus or their job. Not being able to go to Austria for the grand prix is a disappointment. I feel for your kids, I think it is that age bracket who have suffered a lot from the restrictions.


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    #2259
    almostover
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    acequion wrote: »
    It's a HUGE amount to ask!! I just don't get people like you who can't get that unless you're someone who never really embraced the Europe experiment.

    But just to remind you that for the last 40 odd years we've been conditioned towards Europe. Conditioned to vote pre Europe in every referendum. Almost 20 years of a single currency, flights all over Europe from every small Irish airport. So hence major bonds forged by Irish people with Europe and also going back even further with the UK. And now we're told forget all that and stay at home!! And people think that we'll all get on board with this pseudo communist attitude! With no end in sight!

    Well sorry but I don't. Masks, distancing, hand hygiene etc no problem at all as long as is necessary. But isolate myself indefinitely from a home and loved ones a bit further away in Europe just because our politicians are throwing a bit of a strop. Sorry,no way and those who can't get that must have never lost their bunker island mentality.

    I have embraced the Europe experiment, I go abroad in europe twice a year for holidays most years and another few times with work. We're living in an extraordinary situation currently. One which requires us to restrict travel to suppress the spread of a virus that is dangerous to the most vulernable in our society. It's a transient request. We will get back to normal travelling eventually.


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    #2260
    [Deleted User]
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    almostover wrote: »
    I have embraced the Europe experiment, I go abroad in europe twice a year for holidays most years and another few times with work. We're living in an extraordinary situation currently. One which requires us to restrict travel to suppress the spread of a virus that is dangerous to the most vulernable in our society. It's a transient request. We will get back to normal travelling eventually.

    The poster to which you are replying is not talking about holidays, but visiting home and loved ones. I will be doing the same.....in my view that is now essential travel


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    #2261
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,587 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    votecounts wrote: »
    sorry if my question annoyed people, i was just curious. Won't mention it again. Take it easy.

    It’s not an unreasonable question.

    To answer it, I know of people travelling this summer to areas of less risk than Ireland who have flat out said they won’t be quarantining give the risk the lower than home

    And they have a point, after all being personally responsible has been a theme of NPHET’s message.

    As for me, I’m not sure when or if I’ll return to Ireland. By the time I do so, I imagine Spain will be on a green list unless things get disastrous. Then again if Spain turns in to a disaster, so will much of Europe given it’s reopen over a month now.

    My region in Spain has had very little Coronavirus overall with only a handful of cases currently. My local hospital hasn’t had a case since may 5th.

    With face masks being mandatory and enforced, alongside strict social distancing measures, things are taken more serious here than Ireland. Local lockdowns are swift and outbreaks in other regions are controlled quickly. The issue in Barcelona warrants a thread on its own but that region distance wise is a further distance than London is to Dublin for me.

    Of course the Irish government neither has the time nor the desire to examine countries beyond summary figures, which is fair enough. However when a country is 7 times larger than Ireland (505sq km compared to 70sq km), it’s unfair to brand it all the same.

    However I would expect people to abide by the law even if its unpalatable. And from what I understand “restricting your movements” post travel isn’t law so it’s all a bit of a mess


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    #2262
    [Deleted User]
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    Looking like my trip to the US wont be happening in December :mad: unless things change in the next 4 months


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    #2263
    almostover
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The poster to which you are replying is not talking about holidays, but visiting home and loved ones. I will be doing the same.....in my view that is now essential travel

    That is different for sure. People need to exercise caution and common sense. Visiting family is an appropriate risk to take provided a person is cautious. Trips for pleasure purposes are different.


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    #2264
    fawlty682
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭fawlty682


    We are the best in Europe according to experts. We have abandoned Euro travel rules. This Green list is painfully discussed every day. There is better enforcement in most of Europe with better weather. You can spend most of holiday outdoors in a regulated resort rather than partly inside in Ireland with little regulation. If one could go abroad for an extended period, it would be great for the mind instead of listening to this gloom from morning to night. I just ignore radioTV news now as it’s all talk and no action by Government.


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    #2265
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    almostover wrote: »
    That is different for sure. People need to exercise caution and common sense. Visiting family is an appropriate risk to take provided a person is cautious. Trips for pleasure purposes are different.

    What about a trip for mental well-being?


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    #2266
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Spanish campsite in lockdown after British tourists test positive. I would imagine this won’t be an isolated incident

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/spain-campsite-lockdown-250-tourists-22365749.amp


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    #2267
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Spanish campsite in lockdown after British tourists test positive. I would imagine this won’t be an isolated incident

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/spain-campsite-lockdown-250-tourists-22365749.amp
    The Irish Mirror, a bastion of accurate up to date reporting.

    Pretty sure this article about 5 days old, they've just got around to copying and pasting it into their website now?


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    #2268
    ZX7R
    Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    What about a trip for mental well-being?

    Get your GP to refer you to a psychologist you will then get a diagnosis.
    If the diagnosis reports that you mental health would be improved your GP would issue you with a medical cert stating that the travel is essential under health issues.


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    #2269
    Muscles Schultz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 302 ✭✭Muscles Schultz


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    What about a trip for mental well-being?

    That’s a real snowflake generation point.


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    #2270
    faceman
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    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Spanish campsite in lockdown after British tourists test positive. I would imagine this won’t be an isolated incident

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/spain-campsite-lockdown-250-tourists-22365749.amp

    Good to see the Spanish authorities acting swifty

    Recently Coventry said incoming travellers to Ireland had brought in 6 cases. We didn’t hear of the Irish government locking down hotels or B&Bs to ensure it doesn’t spread


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    #2271
    faceman
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    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Spanish campsite in lockdown after British tourists test positive. I would imagine this won’t be an isolated incident

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/spain-campsite-lockdown-250-tourists-22365749.amp

    I just checked Spanish news. The campsite reopened 2 days ago after doing the testing. There was only those 2 cases


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    #2272
    scrips
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭scrips


    What a shambles - ie. today's announcement that there will be no 'green list' yet. And then RTE Radio 1 had an Intensive Care doctor on immediately after the news stating that when people travel their behaviour is more sociable than at home, and that we should all support the Irish staycation industry. Given that she is a doctor and not a travel or tourism expert, the whole interview reeked of hidden agendas. She said nothing about COVID transmission rates or protecting vulnerable people, as you might expect from an IC specialist.

    At this stage we all know how to protect ourselves as much as possible from this virus. At home tbh I have almost forgotten about it at times, when getting together with friends for normal activities, so I would say I'm as likely to contract it in Ireland as in Europe. With all the dithering over the publication of this so-called 'green list' (another name needs to be found for it) I feel very much like throwing caution to the wind and sticking with our original travel plans, green list or not.


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    #2273
    KindOfIrish
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    scrips wrote: »
    What a shambles - ie. today's announcement that there will be no 'green list' yet. And then RTE Radio 1 had an Intensive Care doctor on immediately after the news stating that when people travel their behaviour is more sociable than at home, and that we should all support the Irish travel industry. Given that she is a doctor and not a travel or tourism expert, the whole interview reeked of hidden agendas. She said nothing about COVID transmission rates or protecting vulnerable people, as you might expect from an IC specialist.

    At this stage we all know how to protect ourselves as much as possible from this virus. At home tbh I have almost forgotten about it at times, when getting together with friends for normal activities, so I would say I'm as likely to contract it in Ireland as in Europe. With all the dithering over the publication of this so-called 'green list' (another name needs to be found for it) I feel very much like throwing caution to the wind and sticking with our original travel plans, green list or not.

    If you are going to other EU country, it's going to be safer than in Ireland. West Clare yesterday. Full of American tourists. "Green list" and "Staycation" my a..s!


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    #2274
    almostover
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    What about a trip for mental well-being?

    You can get plenty of mental well being in Ireland!!


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    #2275
    sheep26
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭sheep26


    Yes i would really like to travel even with COVID I would do it at this stage...


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    #2276
    ThatsNotMyCat
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭ThatsNotMyCat


    I will be travelling to Ireland from UK this week and restricting my movements once there. UK was never going to make the green list anyway but I was waiting to hear if any further restrictions on quarantining would be enforced. The reason for my trip is to bring my new baby to meet my mum who is widowed. I have been unsure for weeks about what to do but I am now deeming it as essential. I’ll let you know what the travel experience is like.


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    #2277
    BobMc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BobMc


    I'm off on 2nd August, want to do the right thing, those that had holidays cancelled during lockdown get a refund, we dont, paid last year for flights, we dont go we get nothing, my holiday fund is half to staycation even If I could get something reasonably priced

    Will be taking all precautions as per here, not really pub goers, will eat out a bit, rental car, beach equipment even hired
    for two weeks, looking forward to it, nervous yes, but not prepared to live in fear

    WOnt be booking next years though, will hold and see what happens, i feel its unfair to not offer refunds, heard on radio1 1millon euro a days is being lost by consumers


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    #2278
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Muscles Schultz wrote: »
    That’s a real snowflake generation point.

    Really?


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    #2279
    dougm1970
    Registered Users Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    simple question....are there any restrictions now on travelling between republic and northern ireland ?


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    #2280
    Plumbthedepths
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    dougm1970 wrote: »
    simple question....are there any restrictions now on travelling between republic and northern ireland ?

    Simple answer No. It also helps there is no physical border


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    #2281
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    simple question....are there any restrictions now on travelling between republic and northern ireland ?

    Nope. Free movement.


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