F1 2020: Hungarian GP

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 2:59pm

That's a nice fight between Leclerc and Norris, over 13th place but nice nonetheless

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2020 3:00pm

Latifi is a full 2 seconds a lap slower than Russell and all the cars at the back. What's wrong with him?

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2020 3:01pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Latifi is a full 2 seconds a lap slower than Russell and all the cars at the back. What's wrong with him?

Latifi had a puncture which meant a full lap traipsing around. Probably floor damage

Jordan 199 · 19-07-2020 3:05pm

2011 wrote: »

I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m doing a rain dance

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:21pm

What's that about Albon and possible disqualification? Was it that they were drying the track around his car at the start?

BikeRacer · 19-07-2020 3:22pm

50 sec gap between Albon and Ver. Hamilton will lap him in the next few laps...

Charlie-Bravo · 19-07-2020 3:23pm

Yes, not permitted to interfere with the track other than passing rubber down during practice start/formation lap. Drying the track is not permitted.

Faugheen · 19-07-2020 3:24pm

Mercedes doing the same trick to Verstappen they did last year

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:28pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Yes, not permitted to interfere with the track other than passing rubber down during practice start/formation lap. Drying the track is not permitted.

But what were they doing? Out with the mops or leafblowers?

Jordan 199 · 19-07-2020 3:29pm

Verstappen, the slice of ham in a Mercedes sandwich.

19-07-2020 3:30pm

Should be a rule that no-one is allowed to talk about rain until it's actually raining.

TimeToShine · 19-07-2020 3:31pm

Verstappen doing very well to keep Bottas at bay.

If Hamilton pits it could be game on

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:32pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Verstappen doing very well to keep Bottas at bay.

If Hamilton pits it could be game on

But Bottas is eating .8 s per lap out of Max. Good finale to come...

deafroadrunner · 19-07-2020 3:32pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Verstappen doing very well to keep Bottas at bay.

If Hamilton pits it could be game on

He was on complaining about his tires threre a few mins ago. but he does that every race anyways

19-07-2020 3:33pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

If Hamilton pits it could be game on

I don’t agree.
The only hope we have for something interesting happening is a safety car.

deafroadrunner · 19-07-2020 3:35pm

2011 wrote: »

I don’t agree.
The only hope we have for something interesting happening is a safety car.

Or if it actually downpours with rain.

TimeToShine · 19-07-2020 3:35pm

2011 wrote: »

I don’t agree.
The only hope we have for something interesting happening is a safety car.

I conceds that I'm clutching at straws somewhat!

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:38pm

Leclerc just been lapped by Bottas. Crazy.

But Bottas' gains on Verstappen have stopped now. Been 9.5-10 seconds for several laps now. Don't think he's going to catch him.

Now hoping for Merc to fcuk up Lewis' stop and let him lose 1st...

Santan · 19-07-2020 3:38pm

It just shows bottas' level now, in the same car that has lapped almost every other car, on fresh tyres, was given plenty of laps and still can't catch max, pretty crap, hard to defend that even with getting a podium.

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:41pm

Santan wrote: »

It just shows bottas' level now, in the same car that has lapped almost every other car, on fresh tyres, was given plenty of laps and still can't catch max, pretty crap, hard to defend that even with getting a podium.

And just as we said there was no hope the gap is now down to almost 5 seconds.

Santan · 19-07-2020 3:43pm

Sounds like max got caught in traffic more than bottas putting in the laps

Edit,
He is trying now hopefully not too late

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 3:48pm

That's an unbelievable statistic, Hamilton has lead more laps at the Hungaroring than the rest of the grid combined

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:48pm

Wow, last lap and Bottas almost has Verstappen on DRS.

ctrl-alt-delete · 19-07-2020 3:50pm

Mechanics of the day go to Verstappens. The other Red Bull ones might be getting the hairdryer tratement if Albon gets badly punished himself.

Gaoth Laidir · 19-07-2020 3:51pm

Well done Max and Alex on making up those places. It didn't look likely for Max before the start.

Meanwhile that insufferable twat Lewis has another win. Can't deny his talent but by God is he detestable.

Dcully · 19-07-2020 3:53pm

Cant stand Hamilton but what a talent.
Would love to see max in an equal car race him.

Inquitus · 19-07-2020 3:55pm

Good drive from Vettel!

Albon likely to be DQ'd due to his teams folly!

Charlie-Bravo · 19-07-2020 3:57pm

Decision of that day was Haas for bringing their drivers in after the formation lap for slick tyres. It made a huge difference to their first part of the race gaining so much time (essentially a free pit stop) when everyone race pitted under race conditions.

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 3:58pm

The race wasn't great, the Mercedes is just in a different stratosphere to every other car out there. Hamilton executed his race perfectly, Bottas doesn't have it in him to beat Hamilton

Tipsy McSwagger · 19-07-2020 4:04pm

F1 is just boring without the rain

afatbollix · 19-07-2020 4:06pm

I enjoyed that race.

We all knew Hamilton was going to walk it. Thanks to Redbull for making it a bit more interesting.

Seeing the machanics in the yellow high vis jackets already before the champagne has been sprayed made me remember that all the crews have been on the go for 4 weeks now. (1 week build and 3 races) So enjoy your week off and your short commute to Silverstone.

19-07-2020 4:07pm

From a phycological perspective Bottas has lost any hope of beating Hamilton in the championship.
He just got lucky in the first race and he knows it.

Harika · 19-07-2020 4:55pm

What a great F2 race, 5 laps 25 seconds advantage and you knew it would come down to the last lap, and it did, last corner decision. :eek:

F1, Max outdriving the car, Hamilton congratulations to his next WDC

Faugheen · 19-07-2020 4:58pm

Question for the rules experts here:

Should Max have started from the pit lane? I mean they clearly had to make changes to the car between qualifying and the race.

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 5:17pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Question for the rules experts here:

Should Max have started from the pit lane? I mean they clearly had to make changes to the car between qualifying and the race.

Like for like part replacements to repair genuine accident damage once a car is under parc ferme conditions are allowed. As long as they use the same spec parts it's allowed

chicorytip · 19-07-2020 5:34pm

Santan wrote: »

It just shows bottas' level now, in the same car that has lapped almost every other car, on fresh tyres, was given plenty of laps and still can't catch max, pretty crap, hard to defend that even with getting a podium.

He is quick in qualifying and out of traffic but hopeless at overtaking. It seems to take him twice as long to make a pass. Today he even struggled to get by Grosjean and Stroll.

Santan · 19-07-2020 5:45pm

chicorytip wrote: »

He is quick in qualifying and out of traffic but hopeless at overtaking. It seems to take him twice as long to make a pass. Today he even struggled to get by Grosjean and Stroll.

I agree but even still, to give someone a car that is a second a lap faster than every other car, start that car ahead of all the others bar 1, and to give that type of performance and finish 3rd behind a car that all weekend both drivers have been complaining about its drive ability is pretty shameful. Look bottas is a handy no. 2 he will do ok in quali, do enough to secure 1st in the constructors it's perfect for Mercedes, it's all of us that lose out

namloc1980 · 19-07-2020 6:02pm

Renault have lodged another protest after the race against the legality of the RP increasing the pressure on the FIA to make a ruling.

H3llR4iser · 19-07-2020 6:09pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Good drive from Vettel!

Albon likely to be DQ'd due to his teams folly!

It's idiotic how long they're taking for what is a slam dunk decision according to the rulebook - there are multiple people who saw them, there are TV pictures also, apparently, yet they're still going "maybe, maybe not". The FIA needs a huge amount of cop on with these rules.

Same with the jump starts - Either it's stipulated in the rules that if the driver "stops" it's not a penalty (Bottas today, Vettel Suzuka 2019) - or it's always a penalty. That said, Valterri's little mishap reminded me of a time where ALL drivers would start creeping at the red light, with the excuse that "engaging 1st gear made the car do that!"

namloc1980 wrote: »

Renault have lodged another protest after the race against the legality of the RP increasing the pressure on the FIA to make a ruling.

That's gonna be an headscratcher, because...well, it's slowly coming out that again, the FIA might have checked exactly jack sh1t about the Racing Point. Here's an interesting interview with Nick Tombazis who goes on saying "we didn't think about that", while also admitting that one of the reasons they didn't is that it's something that's difficult to verify.

What other things did they "forget to check" or thought to be "too difficult"? Also, the way he words the "visit" they paid to Racing Point, kinda sounds like an half admission of "we let them show us what they wanted to show us". Great indeed.

(hope it doesn't show a paywall)
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150649/fia-didnt-investigate-racing-point-brake-ducts

namloc1980 · 19-07-2020 6:24pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Decision of that day was Haas for bringing their drivers in after the formation lap for slick tyres. It made a huge difference to their first part of the race gaining so much time (essentially a free pit stop) when everyone race pitted under race conditions.

Haas under investigation for use of driver aids during the formation lap - seems to be related to the call for the slicks during the formation lap.

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2020 6:31pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Haas under investigation for use of driver aids during the formation lap - seems to be related to the call for the slicks during the formation lap.

If that's deemed as the driver not driving the car himself then Merc should be thrown out of race 1 as the 2 drivers were getting told what line to drive literally for lap after lap.

https://twitter.com/PHortonF1/status/1284897751143198720?s=19

recyclebin · 19-07-2020 6:44pm

When they said driver aids, I thought they were talking about some kind of illegal traction control. Not an engineer talking to his driver about engine modes.

ctrl-alt-delete · 19-07-2020 6:44pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If that's deemed as the driver not driving the car himself then Merc should be thrown out of race 1 as the 2 drivers were getting told what line to drive literally for lap after lap.

I mean I'm sure Hamilton was asking how to get to a certain point on the steering wheel to enter a setting he had been told (could be wrong but that's how it came across) today.
The modern cars are massive driving aids in themselves. How far do you go.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2020 6:49pm

Santan wrote: »

I agree but even still, to give someone a car that is a second a lap faster than every other car, start that car ahead of all the others bar 1, and to give that type of performance and finish 3rd behind a car that all weekend both drivers have been complaining about its drive ability is pretty shameful. Look bottas is a handy no. 2 he will do ok in quali, do enough to secure 1st in the constructors it's perfect for Mercedes, it's all of us that lose out

He's an ideal no.2. Quali is strongest part of his game. He can sometimes pull off a really top level quali lap but his race pace is rarely as good. Lewis is actually not brilliant at quali but his race pace and tyre management is top notch

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2020 6:59pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I mean I'm sure Hamilton was asking how to get to a certain point on the steering wheel to enter a setting he had been told (could be wrong but that's how it came across) today.
The modern cars are massive driving aids in themselves. How far do you go.

I had it on, no sound, wasn't fully paying attention to it but every week the mercs drivers are told how to drive etc.

Lando was basically talked around the last lap inch by inch in Austria.

F1 it's own worst enemy.

namloc1980 · 19-07-2020 7:31pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If that's deemed as the driver not driving the car himself then Merc should be thrown out of race 1 as the 2 drivers were getting told what line to drive literally for lap after lap.

https://twitter.com/PHortonF1/status/1284897751143198720?s=19

Seemingly aiding/coaching the driver is not permitted during the formation lap.

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 7:46pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Haas under investigation for use of driver aids during the formation lap - seems to be related to the call for the slicks during the formation lap.

10 second time penalty for both cars
https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/19/grosjean-penalised-for-breaking-driver-aids-rule/

namloc1980 · 19-07-2020 7:58pm

No penalty for Albon/RB for grid drying.

namloc1980 · 19-07-2020 7:59pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

I had it on, no sound, wasn't fully paying attention to it but every week the mercs drivers are told how to drive etc.

Lando was basically talked around the last lap inch by inch in Austria.

F1 it's own worst enemy.

Coaching isn't permitted on the formation lap which is where the Haas situation is different to Lando etc.

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2020 8:07pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Coaching isn't permitted on the formation lap which is where the Haas situation is different to Lando etc.

Haas penalties seem to be because the drivers were instructed to pit. All very strange stuff really.

F1 2020: Hungarian GP

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