Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

bb1234567 · 19-07-2020 12:34PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

At what stage is the cure worse then the disease tho ?
How many people will be homeless, starving, serious mental health issues, suicide rates will skyrocket...

Sweden seem to have had the right idea, overall they are on a gradual decrease, and their death rate is way way less then the likes of Spain and Italy that had very strict lockdowns.

It's time to learn to live with this and get on with our lives.
No vaccine is coming, no cure is coming, it's here and that's it.

People loving the idea of living in fear in our basements for decades - you really think this is sustainable ?

It's not, Sweden has almost identical number of deaths per capita as Italy and just behind Spain.But regardless, I agree with your points generally.

gabeeg · 19-07-2020 12:43PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

It's not, Sweden has almost identical number of deaths per capita as Italy and just behind Spain.But regardless, I agree with your points generally.

Not even Sweden's state epidemiologist agrees with you guys.

is_that_so · 19-07-2020 12:45PM

Drumpot wrote: »

He explains in the video exactly why VIT D will help.

It’s quite technical but I’d love to hear your rebuttal to his points.

Well it's not going to help with any of the underlying conditions, age, gender, blood group, genetics, race in some cases or the cytokine storm. It's still a good thing to address the Vitamin D deficit but no real evidence you won't become infected. It should be talked up but as a habit for our everyday lives.

19-07-2020 01:04PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

I think too early to say that. They seem to be in a flat period which is an unusual pattern for the virus and suggests that they are at the limit of their testing and reporting capacity for deaths.

It’s an unusual pattern if you treat it as a single outbreak. However Brazil is a huge country with lots of geographic, demographic, political and climatic variation, so the reality is you likely have decline in some area, suppression in others, surge in others and even new outbreaks in more areas. In that scenario you would expect a levelling for a time as the different conditions in different areas balance each other for a time.

caveat emptor · 19-07-2020 01:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/michaellondra/status/1284594786062733315?s=19

Guy who hosts travel Tv show posts photo of empty plane (while probably waiting for everyone to get off) to prove his point. Bad timing with the career move.

Shocking stuff.

SeaBreezes · 19-07-2020 01:15PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

The problem with Spain and Italy - at least Spain I can speak for Spain since I live there - is society norms and how people are very touchy feely and kissy kissy with greetings.

Most of these new outbreaks are due to family gatherings and nightlife - packed bar terraces ... Swedish people were responsible - but at least businesses could go on, now we are at a situation where second lockdown is imminent in Spain, which will completely kill off the economy.

Sweden may have been short term bad, but long term we will see they will have dealt with this very well.

As for the initial deaths in Spain and Italy, they would happen anyway, it's just a matter of when, they have shown that they cannot control this virus.

We know it's longterm, Japan are cancelling the Olympics - for 2021 ... so they know it won't be gone by then.

Swedish death numbers only started dropping when scools closed and long summer hols started for business, kind of like a lockdown?

If herd immunity is possible we will see when Swedish schools go back.

schmoo2k · 19-07-2020 01:17PM

Strumms wrote: »

It shouldn’t have been fluid. We were doing better than expected, so the same roadmap should have been continuously followed so we could do even better again and use the value in that to our benefit. Stick with the winning formula.

No point in taking two big strides forward then three back again. As long as the tills are ringing though right...fûckwits.

It has to be fluid - we need to be in a position to re-lockdown (locally, regionally, nationally) as needed, quickly.

Strazdas · 19-07-2020 01:18PM

Strumms wrote: »

How can a mask though, cause ‘distress’, while they are not all that comfortable when I put mine on, I never give it any second thought....

Some people are very claustrophobic and hate the feeling of anything covering their mouth. Their distress is real.

schmoo2k · 19-07-2020 01:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Are people really debating against masks?
Lads, seriously....
I’m highly asthmatic and wear a mask every day with no issue.

A small minority mainly.

schmoo2k · 19-07-2020 01:24PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

I wasn’t really in favour at the start as I taught it was too late but have to due to work and will wear it outside of work now as I’ve got used to it. Try wearing a mask for over 8 hours a day, every day and getting on with it. I want to be able to go for my few pints in a few weeks.
Wear a mask!!

Sums it up (and swap school / foreign holidays / visiting old folks homes - for the pints)

jackboy · 19-07-2020 01:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Are people really debating against masks?
Lads, seriously....
I’m highly asthmatic and wear a mask every day with no issue.

The government, Tony holohan, most Irish scientists and the media consistently said masks are ineffective and actually dangerous to wear. So, it’s hardly surprising some people are confused.

Bit cynical · 19-07-2020 01:27PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

It's a large country too, so could have a USA type situation going on where they are getting a handle on it in one region. Hopefully though things are getting under control.

Bolsonaro has been criticised for not having a strict lockdown like developed countries but that's not really possible for most of the world. Only in rich countries do people get to sit at home and watch Netflix on full salary or government payment.

Gael23 · 19-07-2020 01:37PM

We are entrusting the man who presided over this scandal to lead us through Covid 19
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0719/1154244-ruth-morrissey/

ACitizenErased · 19-07-2020 01:44PM

Gael23 wrote: »

We are entrusting the man who presided over this scandal to lead us through Covid 19
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0719/1154244-ruth-morrissey/

Ronan Glynn is the CMO...

schmoo2k · 19-07-2020 01:50PM

jackboy wrote: »

The government, Tony holohan, most Irish scientists and the media consistently said masks are ineffective and actually dangerous to wear. So, it’s hardly surprising some people are confused.

Partially correct (just)

jackboy · 19-07-2020 01:51PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Partially correct (just)

Which part is wrong?

Gael23 · 19-07-2020 01:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ronan Glynn is the CMO...

Deputising for Holohan while he is on Leave

Santy2015 · 19-07-2020 01:57PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Sums it up (and swap school / foreign holidays / visiting old folks homes - for the pints)

. Was making a general point.
I want all those things that you listed as well.

schmoo2k · 19-07-2020 01:57PM

jackboy wrote: »

Which part is wrong?

Really? - just the part about them being "dangerous to wear" - for the record masks are not dangerous to wear (yes there are exceptions - but well outside the bell curve).

ACitizenErased · 19-07-2020 01:58PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Deputising for Holohan while he is on Leave

Hes the CMO, he makes the decisions not Holohan

is_that_so · 19-07-2020 02:01PM

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1284836116819070977

ACitizenErased · 19-07-2020 02:03PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1284848058082242560?s=21

PowerToWait · 19-07-2020 02:07PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

At what stage is the cure worse then the disease tho ?
How many people will be homeless, starving, serious mental health issues, suicide rates will skyrocket...

Sweden seem to have had the right idea, overall they are on a gradual decrease, and their death rate is way way less then the likes of Spain and Italy that had very strict lockdowns.

It's time to learn to live with this and get on with our lives.
No vaccine is coming, no cure is coming, it's here and that's it.

People loving the idea of living in fear in our basements for decades - you really think this is sustainable ?

You just need to look to the US to see how your strategy is working out.

However, as far as I can see, life is pretty much as normal here, bar the pubs and nightclubs.

jackboy · 19-07-2020 02:22PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Really? - just the part about them being "dangerous to wear" - for the record masks are not dangerous to wear (yes there are exceptions - but well outside the bell curve).

We were relentlessly told that wearing masks was actually worse than not wearing them as we are not trained on their use and would keep touching our faces readjusting them. We were also told that masks would give a false sense of security leading to other measures not being followed.

Anyone that went against this consensus was aggressively disputed on the media by Irish scientists, Holohan and the government.

fritzelly · 19-07-2020 02:26PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

You just need to look to the US to see how your strategy is working out.
https://twitter.com/newschambers/sta...082242560?s=21

However, as far as I can see, life is pretty much as normal here, bar the pubs and nightclubs.

Reading that tweet made me wonder why McDonald's wanted quarantine...

manofwisdom · 19-07-2020 02:30PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

At what stage is the cure worse then the disease tho ?
How many people will be homeless, starving, serious mental health issues, suicide rates will skyrocket...

Sweden seem to have had the right idea, overall they are on a gradual decrease, and their death rate is way way less then the likes of Spain and Italy that had very strict lockdowns.

It's time to learn to live with this and get on with our lives.
No vaccine is coming, no cure is coming, it's here and that's it.

People loving the idea of living in fear in our basements for decades - you really think this is sustainable ?

Sweden are close to 6,000 deaths and taking into account they only ramped up their testing recently i'd wonder how many died in March,April,May from the virus without ever getting tested? To judge if Sweden had the right idea you compare them to their nearest neighbours and Denmark,Norway combined have 866 deaths.

Danzy · 19-07-2020 02:38PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Sweden are close to 6,000 deaths and taking into account they only ramped up their testing recently i'd wonder how many died in March,April,May from the virus without ever getting tested? To judge if Sweden had the right idea you compare them to their nearest neighbours and Denmark,Norway combined have 866 deaths.

We won't know if Sweden had the right approach till next year.

Antibody testing etc suggests that they have a widespread immunity in their cities. So they should avoid a 2nd wave.

No one knows the correct approach yet.

Lundstram · 19-07-2020 02:41PM

Danzy wrote: »

We won't know if Sweden had the right approach till next year.

Antibody testing etc suggests that they have a widespread immunity in their cities. So they should avoid a 2nd wave.

No one knows the correct approach yet.

If no vaccine is found within 2/3 years, Sweden's approach will look very clever indeed. The world economy can't continue like this forever and to save it lives will be lost in the form of herd immunity.

Like you said, zero point judging Sweden right now. They might well have the last laugh.

Always_Running · 19-07-2020 02:44PM

Danzy wrote: »

We won't know if Sweden had the right approach till next year.

Antibody testing etc suggests that they have a widespread immunity in their cities. So they should avoid a 2nd wave.

No one knows the correct approach yet.

They haven't got close to the daft immunity thing they were trying and have since more or less given up on that. I think its safe to say their approach was wrong and in hindsight they wouldn't repeat the same mistakes that cost so many lives.

manofwisdom · 19-07-2020 02:51PM

The only laugh is posters still trying to talk up Swedens approach. I have no doubt Danish and Norwegians are still shaking their heads at how their near neighbours allowed so many needlessly died from this virus.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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