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Aoibhin511 · 15-07-2020 03:19PM

Jenosul wrote: »

Hey guys,

Just confirming EU is the 12th August? Thanks

No its the 13th

lawgrad49 · 15-07-2020 03:54PM

Hey, interested to know if anyone sitting EU in August is planning to do the Case note question? Reading some of the examiner reports it seems you have to have a decent level of detail across all 3 cases to pass that question. I'm wondering if it's worth the time and effort?

It certainly seems doable if you covered say roughly 10-15 of the recent cases this examiner has asked, you could reasonably expect 3 to come up. I know some of the prep schools advise to stay away from it though as it can be too much of a gamble.

Hiya1234 · 15-07-2020 04:18PM

lawgrad49 wrote: »

Hey, interested to know if anyone sitting EU in August is planning to do the Case note question? Reading some of the examiner reports it seems you have to have a decent level of detail across all 3 cases to pass that question. I'm wondering if it's worth the time and effort?

It certainly seems doable if you covered say roughly 10-15 of the recent cases this examiner has asked, you could reasonably expect 3 to come up. I know some of the prep schools advise to stay away from it though as it can be too much of a gamble.

I did EU in march and 100% stayed far away from that question. There is no logical reason to do it tbh unless you love reading the cases idk?

Better off spending your time elsewhere

Chickennugget1 · 15-07-2020 04:32PM

Anyone have law school manuals for sale in Dublin for Contract or Constitutional? Or anyone with pdf versions? Happy to share notes / manuals for property, criminal, tort, eu and company.

lawgrad49 · 15-07-2020 04:37PM

Hiya1234 wrote: »

I did EU in march and 100% stayed far away from that question. There is no logical reason to do it tbh unless you love reading the cases idk?

Better off spending your time elsewhere

Thanks for that! Yeah I think i'll stay away and spend my time elsewhere. It can be tempting as some cases regularly come up like Bresciani and Pringle v Ireland etc but I know I'd be kicking myself on the day if 3 didn't come up.

channing90 · 15-07-2020 04:49PM

Tort topics
I have the following and wondering if is is enough and if there is anything i should add to it.

Negligence, Duty of care, Causation, Standard of care
res ipsa Locquitur
Vicarious Liability
Defamation
Tort of Passing off
Animal and fire liability
Occupiers Liability
Defective products
Tresspass to the person
Damages

Hiya1234 · 15-07-2020 04:55PM

channing90 wrote: »

Tort topics
I have the following and wondering if is is enough and if there is anything i should add to it.

Negligence, Duty of care, Causation, Standard of care
res ipsa Locquitur
Vicarious Liability
Defamation
Tort of Passing off
Animal and fire liability
Occupiers Liability
Defective products
Tresspass to the person
Damages

Is there a reason why you aren't doing trespass to land/ nuisance and rylands?

channing90 · 15-07-2020 05:08PM

Hiya1234 wrote: »

Is there a reason why you aren't doing trespass to land/ nuisance and rylands?

No but now that you mention it, I am thinking of adding in nuisance and rylands and nervous shock as I seen a few half predict it.

Hiya1234 · 15-07-2020 05:17PM

channing90 wrote: »

No but now that you mention it, I am thinking of adding in nuisance and rylands and nervous shock as I seen a few half predict it.

I would... trespass/nuisance/rylands is the most popular question on the paper. It has come up 20 times since 2010.

Then I think Nervous shock is due a run as it does come up at least one sitting every year on average and hasn't come up since march 2018.

HappyKitten62 · 15-07-2020 06:08PM

Is anyone else who’s sitting tort and/or Eu feeling guilty - I had all the work done in March and have been reading over but have been feeling so guilty for not doing 6 hrs a day as before!

What are people at? It’s still too early really I feel. Weird situation to be in.

Aoibhin511 · 16-07-2020 08:58AM

lawgrad49 wrote: »

Thanks for that! Yeah I think i'll stay away and spend my time elsewhere. It can be tempting as some cases regularly come up like Bresciani and Pringle v Ireland etc but I know I'd be kicking myself on the day if 3 didn't come up.

I drew up a grid to see if question frequency was worth doing the casenote, but found that only 2 cases have come up more than 5 times in the 10 papers this examiner has written. Association Belge des Consommateurs v Conseil des ministers and Pringle v Ireland. Bresciani has come up every sitting in the last 2 years, but never before that, so he could go off it again. There is a bit of a pattern of things coming up 2 sittings in a row, but not enough to bank on anything. So I decided it was too much of a gamble and I'm going to give it a miss.

iamanengine · 16-07-2020 11:55AM

channing90 wrote: »

Tort topics
I have the following and wondering if is is enough and if there is anything i should add to it.

Negligence, Duty of care, Causation, Standard of care
res ipsa Locquitur
Vicarious Liability
Defamation
Tort of Passing off
Animal and fire liability
Occupiers Liability
Defective products
Tresspass to the person
Damages

I think Limitations might be a shout to come up

HappyKitten62 · 16-07-2020 12:13PM

Tort people - are you including academic commentary? His essays seem to want some...

Coulter97 · 16-07-2020 12:28PM

HappyKitten62 wrote: »

Tort people - are you including academic commentary? His essays seem to want some...

Lol nope

Hiya1234 · 16-07-2020 12:51PM

HappyKitten62 wrote: »

Tort people - are you including academic commentary? His essays seem to want some...

Nope, going to try and avoid any essay question.

City colleges prof advises to stay clear of them as the examiner marks the essays harder, is very picky and as you said wants commentary which I do not have the time or energy to do.

So essay q's are a last resort for me, which is sad because I generally prefer them

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Pls do not comment here on pros or cons of various examiners, tutors etc.

Louis Litt · 16-07-2020 02:36PM

Has anyone got a letter with their exam number yet for the August sitting?

HappyKitten62 · 16-07-2020 02:43PM

Hiya1234 wrote: »

Nope, going to try and avoid any essay question.

City colleges prof advises to stay clear of them as the examiner marks the essays harder, is very picky and as you said wants commentary which I do not have the time or energy to do.

So essay q's are a last resort for me, which is sad because I generally prefer them

Thanks for this. I know I’m the same I prefer essays but if they’re marked like that it’s just not an option!

user115 · 17-07-2020 01:15AM

Has anyone got results letter from law society for the March sitting? It's now nearly 3 months late. I really wonder what the delay is. People put in so much work trying to pass these exams and they don't have the courtesy to even give you a letter to confirm you passed.

Jenosul · 17-07-2020 07:57AM

No. With recent developments and the protential for phase 3 to be extended even further I would not be surprised if they were postponed to be honest. I say they are even not sure what to do there is so much uncertainty. We would usually have the details by now. I am nevertheless studying and taking it they are on in August.

Coulter97 · 17-07-2020 11:36AM

Jenosul wrote: »

No. With recent developments and the protential for phase 3 to be extended even further I would not be surprised if they were postponed to be honest. I say they are even not sure what to do there is so much uncertainty. We would usually have the details by now. I am nevertheless studying and taking it they are on in August.

Phase 3 being extended does not prevent the examination taking place. The indoor gathering limit will be 50 as opposed to 100 but there's not much difference apart from that. I don't see the issue.

The only situation in which the examination could not go ahead is if the phases were re-winded, but that seems unlikely right now.

Iso_123 · 17-07-2020 11:53AM

iamanengine wrote: »

I think Limitations might be a shout to come up

I was thinking this too so I'm trying to get an essay learned off for this as a back up topic that I didn't have time to cover for March! If anyone has any sample essays for a limitations essay i would love you forever! and i also have some sample answers for other topics I could swap

Iso_123 · 17-07-2020 11:56AM

HappyKitten62 wrote: »

Tort people - are you including academic commentary? His essays seem to want some...

I am definitely not doing academic commentary either, I think there's already too much to know as is

I am going to avoid essays if i can.. I'll only do one if I hate the problem questions and an essay I have learned off comes up!

HappyKitten62 · 17-07-2020 12:35PM

Iso_123 wrote: »

I am definitely not doing academic commentary either, I think there's already too much to know as is I am going to avoid essays if i can.. I'll only do one if I hate the problem questions and an essay I have learned off comes up!

Good shout. God help us haha

vid36 · 17-07-2020 01:05PM

Coulter97 wrote: »

Phase 3 being extended does not prevent the examination taking place. The indoor gathering limit will be 50 as opposed to 100 but there's not much difference apart from that. I don't see the issue.

The only situation in which the examination could not go ahead is if the phases were re-winded, but that seems unlikely right now.

You are bringing hundreds of people from around the country to a venue in Dublin; there has to be issues with that.Is it possible to create multiple pods of 50 students in the RDS and provide them with seperate entrances/ exits and toilet facilities? An alternative would possibly be more regional venues but you cannot have 600 students at the RDS and 50 at Neptune.
Even outdoor gatherings are capped at 200.

Lallers96 · 17-07-2020 01:23PM

Where are people getting the information that the Tort examiner wants academic commentary in the essay questions? I have seen this nowhere included in any of the examiners reports for the last decade?

Lallers96 · 17-07-2020 01:28PM

vid36 wrote: »

You are bringing hundreds of people from around the country to a venue in Dublin; there has to be issues with that.Is it possible to create multiple pods of 50 students in the RDS and provide them with seperate entrances/ exits and toilet facilities? An alternative would possibly be more regional venues but you cannot have 600 students at the RDS and 50 at Neptune.
Even outdoor gatherings are capped at 200.

Please consider that most people here have begun studying for the exam in less than 4 weeks time. You do not know any more than any of us about the phases/lockdown/coronavirus etc. The exam dates are the 11th and 13th of August and that's what the law society has provided. Cases have remained extremely low since shops reopened and have not spiked at all yet.

As of now people are stressed enough as it is than to read what you've said and stress even further about something that none of us have any control over. My advice is to ignore what was said above, and any scaremongering that seems rampant all over social media and online forums. Focus on what you can control and study for the exam, which is going ahead on the 11th for Tort and the 13th for EU Law. Do not spend one ounce of energy or thought on anything else. We simply don't have the time to and this person does not know what the future holds.

17-07-2020 01:30PM

Iso_123 wrote: »

I am definitely not doing academic commentary either, I think there's already too much to know as is I am going to avoid essays if i can.. I'll only do one if I hate the problem questions and an essay I have learned off comes up!

Can I ask what essay you have learned off?

IgoPAP · 17-07-2020 01:32PM

vid36 wrote: »

You are bringing hundreds of people from around the country to a venue in Dublin; there has to be issues with that.Is it possible to create multiple pods of 50 students in the RDS and provide them with seperate entrances/ exits and toilet facilities? An alternative would possibly be more regional venues but you cannot have 600 students at the RDS and 50 at Neptune.
Even outdoor gatherings are capped at 200.

The premise with holding the exam after the 10th of August was that restrictions on indoor gathering will be increased to 100 - so the Law Society was already, a month back, working with the assumption that groups will need to be subdivided into pods for purposes of the exam. If the indoor gathering is still limited to 50 then that makes it more complicated as more planning would be needed, but it's also made less complicated by the fact that 2 as opposed to 8 exams are taking place.

But with any luck, we'll progress to the final phase by August 10 as the date was originally envisioned anyways.

IgoPAP · 17-07-2020 01:34PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Please consider that most people here have begun studying for the exam in less than 4 weeks time. You do not know any more than any of us about the phases/lockdown/coronavirus etc. The exam dates are the 11th and 13th of August and that's what the law society has provided. Cases have remained extremely low since shops reopened and have not spiked at all yet.

As of now people are stressed enough as it is than to read what you've said and stress even further about something that none of us have any control over. My advice is to ignore what was said above, and any scaremongering that seems rampant all over social media and online forums. Focus on what you can control and study for the exam, which is going ahead on the 11th for Tort and the 13th for EU Law. Do not spend one ounce of energy or thought on anything else. We simply don't have the time to and this person does not know what the future holds.

Ditto. Everyone should be studying on the assumption that the exams are taking place. Anything less leads to complacency.

vid36 · 17-07-2020 02:09PM

The most important questions facing students right now is whether or not the exams in August will go ahead and in what format they take. The country is stuck in Phase 3 until August 10. It will be too late to mandate alternative arrangements or online exams at that stage. Students need clarity now. Denial is not a strategy, neither is just hoping for the best.

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