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Fairways Carrickmines Manor

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  • 21-05-2019 5:24pm
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    the_mountain
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    Hey folks ,
    i am thinking about purchasing a house in this new development . but i have few doubt about the area related to .

    1- halting site on Glenamuck Rd ( is that one still there ? ) any other halting sites exist on same road . does the city councle plans to establish new halting sites in the area ?

    2- any trouble / saftey in carrickmines manor/hawthorn developments recently ? the reason i am asking is i have checked the reselling price of the nearby second hand developments in hawthorn or even the new development there i found ranging from 240k to 350k. which is a bit low comparing to the rest of D18.

    also found two bed apartment in hawthorn for sale that is currently rented with 500 Euros per month ..... which makes me doubt that investing in this area might not be a good idea .


    any thoughts ?
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    Cuddlesworth
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    the_mountain wrote: »
    Hey folks ,
    i am thinking about purchasing a house in this new development . but i have few doubt about the area related to .

    1- halting site on Glenamuck Rd ( is that one still there ? ) any other halting sites exist on same road . does the city councle plans to establish new halting sites in the area ?

    2- any trouble / saftey in carrickmines manor/hawthorn developments recently ? the reason i am asking is i have checked the reselling price of the nearby second hand developments in hawthorn or even the new development there i found ranging from 240k to 350k. which is a bit low comparing to the rest of D18.

    also found two bed apartment in hawthorn for sale that is currently rented with 500 Euros per month ..... which makes me doubt that investing in this area might not be a good idea .


    any thoughts ?

    1 - There is a halting site about half way down the road. Its unlikely the council will ever create new halting sites themselves or give approval for them, that halting site had been around for a long time in the area.

    2 - Its pretty quiet, halting site aside. Its cheap enough as its really just housing development without any real amenities on the outside of the M50. In terms of public transport, the Luas is far enough away to be questionable, buses are crap, your going to be locked into a car for a while. On top of that, the whole area is going to be subjected to further development over the years, meaning the fields around you will eventually become more and more residential units.

    That 500 quid house was probably a scam or a mistake, you can easily get the usual 1500 for a 2 bed apartment in the area.


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    mariaalice
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    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    1 - There is a halting site about half way down the road. Its unlikely the council will ever create new halting sites themselves or give approval for them, that halting site had been around for a long time in the area.

    2 - Its pretty quiet, halting site aside. Its cheap enough as its really just housing development without any real amenities on the outside of the M50. In terms of public transport, the Luas is far enough away to be questionable, buses are crap, your going to be locked into a car for a while. On top of that, the whole area is going to be subjected to further development over the years, meaning the fields around you will eventually become more and more residential units.

    That 500 quid house was probably a scam or a mistake, you can easily get the usual 1500 for a 2 bed apartment in the area.

    Are you really calling 500k for terraced house miles from any facilites cheap? The whole road has been developed another development along there called Brambeldown!! I am sure the houses are grand but you would be liveing in your car its an ioslated area unless you count Carrigmines retail park even that is a good walk and it is a very long walk to the Luas.


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    hmmm
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    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    2 - Its pretty quiet, halting site aside. Its cheap enough as its really just housing development without any real amenities on the outside of the M50. In terms of public transport, the Luas is far enough away to be questionable, buses are crap, your going to be locked into a car for a while. On top of that, the whole area is going to be subjected to further development over the years, meaning the fields around you will eventually become more and more residential units.
    Don't agree with some of this - it's lacking facilities at the moment, but the shopping centre is due for a big expansion with supermarkets & restaurants. The LUAS is a short walk. Buses are crap sure, but LUAS is where it is at. There will be lots more development, but it's pretty expensive apartments & houses - although there is the usual social housing mixed in which can be a lottery. Should be a lively area in the future with good access to facilities.


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    mariaalice
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't agree with some of this - it's lacking facilities at the moment, but the shopping centre is due for a big expansion with supermarkets & restaurants. The LUAS is a short walk. Buses are crap sure, but LUAS is where it is at. There will be lots more development, but it's pretty expensive apartments & houses - although there is the usual social housing mixed in which can be a lottery. Should be a lively area in the future with good access to facilities.

    What would you consider a short walk? it is ioslated and Carrigmines retail park is soulless the whole area reminds me of the sort of ribbion developemt you see in the US no center of anything.


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    The Sparrow
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    I'm in the process of buying a secondhand property in Carrickmines Manor so I'd be interested in hearing anything about it.

    I live nearby and I wouldn't agree about it being isolated. I'll have an 11 minute walk to the Luas and a 3 min walk to the 63 bus stop that can take me to two supermarkets, the N11/ Cabinteely Park in 5 mins or to Dun Laoghaire.

    Plus, there is the Park retail park across the road which just got permission for a a new phase including a cinema, a supermarket and more restaurants.

    I'm not planning on having a car, although I can borrow a family one nearby. But for my day to day travel to work in town I'll be on mostly bus and the Luas occasionally. If anything, places such as Cherrywood, where some of my friends live, seem much more isolated.


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    mariaalice
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    The Sparrow wrote: »
    I'm in the process of buying a secondhand property in Carrickmines Manor so I'd be interested in hearing anything about it.

    I live nearby and I wouldn't agree about it being isolated. I'll have an 11 minute walk to the Luas and a 3 min walk to the 63 bus stop that can take me to two supermarkets, the N11/ Cabinteely Park in 5 mins or to Dun Laoghaire.

    Plus there is the Park retail park across the road which just got permission for a a new phase including a cinema, a supermarket and more restaurants.

    I'm not planning on having a car, although I can borrow a family one nearby. But for my day to day travel to work in town I'll be on mostly bus and the Luas occasionally. If anything, places such as Cherrywood, where some of my friends live, seems much more isolated.

    You are right, I only drive up the Glenamuck road but for familys would you not think it a bit isolated from services but its no different for any of the developments around there.


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    The Sparrow
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    You are right, I only drive up the Glenamuck road but for familys would you not think it a bit isolated from services but its no different for any of the developments around there.

    Possibly, but once the supermarket opens in The Park, I don't think it will be isolated even for a family. Even now there is a very decent Dunnes 3 mins drive away on Ballyogan Rd.


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    hmmm
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    What would you consider a short walk?
    Per Google it's 1.3km to the LUAS which you'd do in 10 minutes, 15 max. I don't know why you keep insisting this is some sort of Himalayan trek.

    There's a large shopping centre next door, schools along Ballyogan, lots of sports clubs within walking distance, and the mountains up towards Stepaside. I personally don't live there, but it's quite a nice place to live, particularly if you work somewhere along the LUAS.

    The biggest problem at the moment I'd say is the traffic (and construction traffic) along the Glenamuck road, but the new road is due to be built over the next year or two.


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    awec
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    This development is at the shopping centre end of the Glenamuck road, right?

    In the immediate vicinity there is pretty much nothing at all. Not even a Spar / Centra type shop in walking distance to pick up the paper, milk or bread. Worth noting that the Glenamuck road is a big hill really, you wouldn't want to be walking up it toward Kilternan too often.

    Luas is not that far at all, 10-15 mins? So you can get to Leopardstown Dunnes / Sandyford / town, but it's definitely not as handy as having some conveniences close by.

    It's a nice enough area IMO, but it's also a little weird. It's pretty much just a random collection of housing developments beside a retail park. I don't think there'd be much sense of community, it's not like there's a village at the centre of it all or anywhere for the locals to socialise together. But lots of people don't really care about this sort of thing.


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    Cuddlesworth
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    Luas is a rough 15 minute walk for most people. Its ok until you start to consider that for large employment centers like town, people who live far outside of Dublin would have comparable or better journey times in a lot of cases.

    The Luas will give access to Cherrywood which is going to be a large employment and shopping location with large parks and social facilities, Carrickmines itself has the potential to be huge in scope. I ignored pointing out their immediate potential because both Cherrywood and Carrickmines have been in development for the guts of 20 years, so relying on them to give justification to the area at this moment in time is questionable. And purchasing right now is relying on 5+ year timelines for building. And there is a chance they end up as half built wastelands for another 10-20 years.

    Personnally when I was looking, we ignored it and were looking at Lepardstown/Shankill.


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    The Sparrow
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    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    Luas is a rough 15 minute walk for most people. Its ok until you start to consider that for large employment centers like town, people who live far outside of Dublin would have comparable or better journey times in a lot of cases.

    The Luas will give access to Cherrywood which is going to be a large employment and shopping location with large parks and social facilities, Carrickmines itself has the potential to be huge in scope. I ignored pointing out their immediate potential because both Cherrywood and Carrickmines have been in development for the guts of 20 years, so relying on them to give justification to the area at this moment in time is questionable. And purchasing right now is relying on 5+ year timelines for building. And there is a chance they end up as half built wastelands for another 10-20 years.

    Personnally when I was looking, we ignored it and were looking at Lepardstown/Shankill.

    Luas is 11 mins from where I will be living (I know, I timed the walk!:p) and then it is about 40 mins to town. So basically an hour all in, that seems pretty standard to me for most areas in suburban Dublin. Not sure how people living far out of Dublin have comparable or better journey times? I suppose it depends where but I was talking to someone today who commutes from Naas and it takes them an hour and 40 mins and they have to drive part of the way. :eek:

    I think much of it comes down to personal preference, I'm happy because I got a much bigger place than I would have in other nearby areas and I expect the area to grow a lot. The Park will have a supermarket and cinema soon and I presume some smaller newsagents etc too.

    I'm not too pushed on local community, if I'm honest. I just want a nice place to live that has enough space, good transport links so I don't need to fund a car and is quiet enough. Carrickmines ticks all of those boxes and it will tick even more in the next few years.


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    googleewrewr
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    Did you end up buying there? I see some houses were sold in Phase 1 and now Phase 2 would be coming soon. Do you know how many houses were sold and when Phase 2 would be released? I asked the selling agent and they aren't giving any dates, therefore, asking here.

    Any help would be really appreciated.


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    UnderExcited
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    Hi there,
    We have bought a house in the new estate within Carrickmines Manor (they are marketing it as Fairways) and although we signed in July 2019 we are still waiting on a concrete timeline for closing.
    It seems that ESB connecting some houses is the current roadblock and upto last week Irish Water was a hurdle also.
    We are getting updates each week from the developers representative but they seem to have no grasp on real timelines and the message for now is basically lets wait and hope that ESB connect soon.

    I’m wondering if anyone else out there might be in a similar position waiting for a house in this estate or if someone has more info?

    Also, the houses at the front (closest to the existing estate) seem to be finished for months so it’s a little concerning that nobody has yet moved into these either.

    Would be great to hear from someone who knows more. Thanks


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    Summer2020
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    Hi, I haven’t bought here but am interested for phase 2. How much were the 4 beds do you remember ?


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    UnderExcited
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    Summer2020 wrote: »
    Hi, I haven’t bought here but am interested for phase 2. How much were the 4 beds do you remember ?

    Hi there,
    4 beds were €625k and 3 beds were €495-€505


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    Summer2020
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    UnderExcited wrote: »
    Hi there,
    4 beds were €625k and 3 beds were €495-€505

    Thanks, that’s very expensive for 4 beds ! Probably paying a premium for being closer to the luas than any of the other glenamuck road developments


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    Family03
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    We'll have snag in a few weeks time (after a long delay), for a unit in The Court.
    Anyone here on the same development interest in setting up a message group (e.g. whatsapp) to share useful questions/answers about the area, snag, plumping, school for kids, etc.? cheers


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    UnderExcited
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    Family03 wrote: »
    We'll have snag in a few weeks time (after a long delay), for a unit in The Court.
    Anyone here on the same development interest in setting up a message group (e.g. whatsapp) to share useful questions/answers about the area, snag, plumping, school for kids, etc.? cheers

    Yes definitely, will send you a PM


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    stick-dan
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    I bought here last May/June and this week I was told that the certificate have been released to the solicitors and I should expect to close in the next 2 weeks.

    Has been a long drawn out process and has really left us feeling like we don't even want the house at this point.

    We were quoted as having issues with Irish Water/ ESB and I am sure they were one contributing aspect to it but it's as clear as day that this wasn't the only hold up and I could point out discrepancies in those claims very easily and did so. We ended up having to extend mortgage offer and we're with a month of the extension expiring so it'll be right down to the wire.

    One thing I will say is that the houses are extremely well finished. I had two different snaggers and myself look at them and they are of some high quality. I guess that's the positive aspect of having to wait in that you get a great finish.

    If you're setting up a whatsapp group, ping me a pm


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    UnderExcited
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    stick-dan wrote: »
    I bought here last May/June and this week I was told that the certificate have been released to the solicitors and I should expect to close in the next 2 weeks.

    Has been a long drawn out process and has really left us feeling like we don't even want the house at this point.

    We were quoted as having issues with Irish Water/ ESB and I am sure they were one contributing aspect to it but it's as clear as day that this wasn't the only hold up and I could point out discrepancies in those claims very easily and did so. We ended up having to extend mortgage offer and we're with a month of the extension expiring so it'll be right down to the wire.

    One thing I will say is that the houses are extremely well finished. I had two different snaggers and myself look at them and they are of some high quality. I guess that's the positive aspect of having to wait in that you get a great finish.

    If you're setting up a whatsapp group, ping me a pm

    Hi there,
    I know how you feel for sure. We signed in July and have been very frustrated with all the delays. Like you, we had been told that ESB & IW were causing the delay but I agree that it’s clear that either the builder is behind or the auctioneers were quoting completely unrealistic timelines. (Potentially the latter I think)

    Good to hear that the final quality is good. We were on site yesterday and a very kind builder brought us in for an unofficial quick look. Ours is in the court and looks almost complete. I noticed several minor issues but didn't even mention them as to be fair, we shouldn't have even been in there so I’m sure the small issues will be resolved by the time we snag.

    It’s great to see the fences removed from the front. First real sign of progress in months.


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    RearWindow
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    Hey folks!

    We are waiting on our house in the next block to be released - thank god there is finally a few future residents on here. It's been an absolute pain in the neck waiting to get our hands on the property. We know a fair bit about progress on the first phase and would love to share and hear how the rest of you are getting on. If someone would like to PM and add me to a WhatsApp group that would be brillant. We are on the Avenue, last of the next block of houses to be cleared. We have snagged and its complete, just has to be signed off by our engineer. We are awaiting Practical Completion and that will be up to 2 weeks more before the closing process can begin. We are a month away from our mortgage extension ending so are also going to be right dow to the wire....


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    UnderExcited
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    Hi there, we got our first positive update in quite some time today. Looks like snagging is scheduled for our house on The Court this Monday. We were out on site today for a look and seemed to be lots of builders working.
    There is however lots of houses that look to be fully finished on the Avenue and on the row overlooking the existing estate however very few people have yet moved in. Does anybody know what’s going on with these houses?


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    karmyth
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    The Sparrow wrote: »
    Luas is 11 mins from where I will be living (I know, I timed the walk!:p) and then it is about 40 mins to town. So basically an hour all in, that seems pretty standard to me for most areas in suburban Dublin. Not sure how people living far out of Dublin have comparable or better journey times? I suppose it depends where but I was talking to someone today who commutes from Naas and it takes them an hour and 40 mins and they have to drive part of the way. :eek:

    I think much of it comes down to personal preference, I'm happy because I got a much bigger place than I would have in other nearby areas and I expect the area to grow a lot. The Park will have a supermarket and cinema soon and I presume some smaller newsagents etc too.

    I'm not too pushed on local community, if I'm honest. I just want a nice place to live that has enough space, good transport links so I don't need to fund a car and is quiet enough. Carrickmines ticks all of those boxes and it will tick even more in the next few years.

    Hey Sparrow, wondering how you're getting along now that a few months have gone by? We're looking at buying a house in the area, young family, and planning to use the LUAS to get to town early morning (like 7am), any thoughts based on your experience so far...?

    Tbh, looking around a few different places in South Dublin and we'd prefer somewhere around Ballycullen/Knocklyon or Sandyford/Leopardstown, but housing is so freaking expensive everywhere that it leaves us with little choice; Carrickmines seems to have good size houses that look to be in good condition, the type we wouldn't afford closer to town or in the above mentioned areas, seems like we have little choice... Considered Tallaght for a while, but keep hearing so much about anti-social behaviour that we don't feel comfortable buying there.


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    The Sparrow
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    karmyth wrote: »
    Hey Sparrow, wondering how you're getting along now that a few months have gone by? We're looking at buying a house in the area, young family, and planning to use the LUAS to get to town early morning (like 7am), any thoughts based on your experience so far...?

    Tbh, looking around a few different places in South Dublin and we'd prefer somewhere around Ballycullen/Knocklyon or Sandyford/Leopardstown, but housing is so freaking expensive everywhere that it leaves us with little choice; Carrickmines seems to have good size houses that look to be in good condition, the type we wouldn't afford closer to town or in the above mentioned areas, seems like we have little choice... Considered Tallaght for a while, but keep hearing so much about anti-social behaviour that we don't feel comfortable buying there.

    Before Covid I was getting the LUAS at about 8am and it was fine. The trams were busy but a lot of the time I got a seat. I imagine that 7am would be absolutely fine for the foreseeable future. There will be more people coming from Cherrywood as there is a lot of building going on there but there is also scope for more frequent trams.

    I think the general area is good. I haven't encountered any anti-social behaviour at all. It seems pretty quiet tbh, other than people heading out for walks or runs there is not a lot going on. The traffic can be a bit mad with the retail park but that should be improved when they add another entrance on the Ballyogan Road. It will also be great when the next phase of the retail park opens with some supermarkets, bars and a cinema. They have cleared the site so I presume construction will start soon.

    I think it is great how close Carrickmines is to the countryside, just behind my house there are country lanes that are great for runs and five mins up the road are nice looped walks to the lead mines etc. I can't think of many downsides tbh, I've not regretted buying in the area and it will only get better as more amenities are added and the new road to Enniskerry will take a lot of traffic off Glenamuck road. I also used the new gym on Ballyogan Rd a few times and it is pretty good. I believe they are adding a pool there too so that will also be another great amenity.


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    Cuddlesworth
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    The Sparrow wrote: »
    I think it is great how close Carrickmines is to the countryside, just behind my house there are country lanes that are great for runs and five mins up the road are nice looped walks to the lead mines etc.

    Just going to put this out there, in 20-40 years time pretty good chance it won't be in the countryside any more.


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    The Sparrow
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    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    Just going to put this out there, in 20-40 years time pretty good chance it won't be in the countryside any more.

    I'll worry about that in 20-40 years if I'm still around! At the moment, it is lovely.


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    karmyth
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    Thank you for the quick update, that's really useful information! And it's obviously good to know you don't regret buying in the area :)

    Yeah, hopefully frequency increases once Cherrywood actually becomes more active.

    Hmm, construction at the retail park will probably mean more noise and dust for a while, which can't be pleasant, but I suppose you can't have it all...

    I have booked a viewing, and will try to come around for a drive by in the area. Cheers!


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    karmyth
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    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    Just going to put this out there, in 20-40 years time pretty good chance it won't be in the countryside any more.

    But is that not the case with most of South Dublin? I'm living in the Ballycullen/Rathfarnham area - in the past 4 years, at least 5 new developments have been built in the area, and I can barely imagine how it will all look like 10 years down the line, let alone 20-40...

    Where near Dublin would you say an area is going to remain "countryside like" in 20 years time?


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    hmmm
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    karmyth wrote: »
    But is that not the case with most of South Dublin? I'm living in the Ballycullen/Rathfarnham area - in the past 4 years, at least 5 new developments have been built in the area, and I can barely imagine how it will all look like 10 years down the line, let alone 20-40...

    Where near Dublin would you say an area is going to remain "countryside like" in 20 years time?
    The Balleyedmonduff road will see a few developments, but the area behind that leading up to the mountains I expect will remain green belt. Certainly any developments up the mountain side will be fiercely resisted, and isn't on any current development plan.

    The LAP plan might be of interest - https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/planning/local-area-plans/ballyogan-environs-local-area-plan

    Across the road from Carrickmines where the racecourse is will be heavily built up - but if you walk up towards the Golden Ball and further on down around the Scalp I'm expecting that area to remain mostly countryside (actually deliberate green belt) for a long time.


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    Kiwitown
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    Hey all,

    Looking at buying a house in phase 2 and would love some feedback from current owners.

    Reading the threads, just wondering are the ESB problems resolved?
    Whats has the estate been like to live in so far? Any thoughts on the house finish after moving in?

    Anything that you all would call out or any learnings would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you!


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