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  • #4952
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Sconsey wrote: »
    No you're taking a risk nipping in to the shop today, you will be taking a risk nipping in to the shops next week with a mask but this risk will be significantly less if everyone is wearing masks.

    Fsck everyone for trying to reduce the risk though right?

    This risk was deemed perfectly acceptable throughout the entire pandemic, even at it's peak. Given the amount of people that won't wear masks correctly or that will touch and adjust them, they're probably be at higher risk by wearing one. And then there's people who will experience breathing difficulties by wearing one.

    I have no problem with people wearing masks if they choose to do so. I do have a problem with it being forced upon people, especially at this stage, it's complete nonsense.


  • #4953
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    And that was happening when case numbers were very high too, and there was 0 community spread associated with retail outlets.

    The simple logic of this is lost on those shouting for masks, either coming back to 'well, it's better than a ventilator' or 'so what, if it saves one life, it'll be worth it'.

    What is your list of places for where community spread happens?


  • #4954
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Sconsey wrote: »
    No no, there was sh1t loads of community spread from shops, still is...see I can make up stuff too without having any facts to back it up.

    What are you gibbering about. The CMO and NPHEY saidnthe community transmission rate was low and virtually 0. A third of cases were/are in healthcare settings for god sake, where they wear masks.


  • #4955
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    This guy is one of the main "masks don't work" proponents on Twitter. Here he is talking about the real reason he doesn't want people wearing masks, he wants them to get infected before they have a chance to take the "evil vaccine" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/coronavirus-in-ireland-marcus-de-brun-claims-healthy-people-should-not-be-wearing-masks-l929n8hwd

    Here's his tweet
    https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1283664330383384576


  • #4956
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Why don't the Guards have to wear one, there bungling people into cars left right and center well under the 2 meter guidelines and none of them are masked up.
    It all seems a bit odd, I need to wear one nipping in for a slice pan but if I go for a spin in the van i'm someway immune and so are they.

    Biggest shower of organised criminals in the country


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  • #4957
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GazzaL wrote: »
    This risk was deemed perfectly acceptable throughout the entire pandemic, even at it's peak. Given the amount of people that won't wear masks correctly or that will touch and adjust them, they're probably be at higher risk by wearing one. And then there's people who will experience breathing difficulties by wearing one.

    How could they be at higher risk?
    Doesnt add up.
    Its a respiratory virus.
    Impossible for it to be higher risk to touch what is protecting you than to just inhale it.
    You are going to have to explain how it could be higher risk to pick it up from touching a mask than breathing in virus droplets.

    The number of people really impacted by breathing difficulties is negligible... if they are so at risk of breathing difficulties should be isolating from the virus.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4958
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Stark wrote: »
    This guy is one of the main "masks don't work" proponents on Twitter. Here he is talking about the real reason he doesn't want people wearing masks, he wants them to get infected before they have a chance to take the "evil vaccine" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/coronavirus-in-ireland-marcus-de-brun-claims-healthy-people-should-not-be-wearing-masks-l929n8hwd

    Here's his tweet
    https://twitter.com/indepdubnrth/status/1283664330383384576

    "Evil vaccine" is that his quote?


  • #4959
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    How could they be at higher risk?
    Doesnt add up.
    Its a respiratory virus.
    Impossible for it to be higher risk to touch what is protecting you than to just inhale it.
    You are going to have to explain how it could be higher risk to pick it up from touching a mask than breathing in virus droplets.

    The number of people really impacted by breathing difficulties is negligible... if they are so at risk of breathing difficulties should be isolating from the virus.

    This guy must have missed the wash yer hands advice. Blimey. The level of ignorance is astonishing.


  • #4960
    megatron989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭megatron989


    A simple ad on rte repeatedly showing how to use a mask (God almighty it hurts my face just thinking that people are so unbelievably stupid that they need it explained) would do a lot to stop the nose out brigade.
    As for the freedom fighters out defending their right to risk infecting every oul wan and at risk person, well that's just stupid. Years ago you'd be called on it and told your wrong, simple. Wtf happened to the world that now everyone seems to think their "opinion" has any weight? Sorry, your opinion doesn't mean anything to me or anyone else. Facts are facts, because science. It doesn't require your belief. What we do require now though, is that you mask up and wash your dam hands. You'd swear people where being asked to give up eating crayons. Na, that's why we make em non toxic, just for them.


  • #4961
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    No: other
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    What are you gibbering about. The CMO and NPHEY saidnthe community transmission rate was low and virtually 0. A third of cases were/are in healthcare settings for god sake, where they wear masks.

    You are talking out your hole, where is the evidence that there has been zero community transmission in shops? Nobody knows where all the community transmission originate from but you are sure that none occurred in all the shops in Ireland. Good lad. You should be running NEPHT you seem to know more than any of them about it.


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  • #4962
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    Sconsey wrote: »
    Fsck everyone for trying to reduce the risk though right?

    We done what was asked, killed the virus, it was our government who let us down with no control of our borders.
    It's all been for nothing, I want a future where I'm free to roam on the island, have a pint and not be muzzled.
    Our job is done, let the government stand up for us and do their part now.
    Mandatory Quarantine or Masks possibly for life. It's an easy decision that out leaders haven't the balls to introduce.


  • #4963
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    What are you gibbering about. The CMO and NPHEY saidnthe community transmission rate was low and virtually 0. A third of cases were/are in healthcare settings for god sake, where they wear masks.

    It was so high cos they werent wearing masks. It dropped when wearing masks became general policy.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4964
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timmy, in what places does community spread happen? You seem to be in the know.


  • #4965
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    This guy must have missed the wash yer hands advice. Blimey. The level of ignorance is astonishing.

    Another post where you are unable to respond when holes are put in your arguments. You are 4 months out of date with your info. Its July now not March.
    This is a respiratory virus. Primary method of imfection is not through surfaces.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4966
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    It was so high cos they werent wearing masks. It dropped when wearing masks became general policy.

    Why had we 11 health care workers testing positive today. Would it have been 22 without masks? Did they just not wear them?


  • #4967
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    No: other
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Timmy, in what places does community spread happen? You seem to be in the know.

    Not only that, he knows that there were 0 transmissions in any of the shops in Ireland.


  • #4968
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Why had we 11 health care workers testing positive today. Would it have been 22 without masks? Did they just not wear them?

    Infection rate of healthcare workers dropped dramatically after general use of masks.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/infection-healthcare-workers-hse-5130304-Jun2020/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4969
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sconsey wrote: »
    Not only that, he knows that there were 0 transmissions in any of the shops in Ireland.

    Which means it all happened in other places, places which must be exceptionally dangerous for spread.

    He needs to share his information with us.

    Where, Timmy?


  • #4970
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Infection rate of healthcare workers dropped dramatically after general use of masks.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/infection-healthcare-workers-hse-5130304-Jun2020/

    One of the reasons, not the absolute reason, there wearing masks now I presume n95 so why are they still getting infected in high numbers compared to the rest of the population?


  • #4971
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    One of the reasons, not the absolute reason, there wearing masks now I presume n95 so why are they still getting infected in high numbers compared to the rest of the population?

    Are they? How about some stats to back that up over the months that the policy was adopted.
    Bearing in mind healthcare workers are operating in high risk settings, sustained close contact with infected patients and are tested more frequently than the general population.

    And when you have provided that, explain how then you consider they getting infected and why masks has increased their risk and not reduced it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #4972
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which means it all happened in other places, places which must be exceptionally dangerous for spread.

    He needs to share his information with us.

    Where, Timmy?

    Work, bars, public transport, social gatherings, nightclubs, homes


  • #4973
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Work, bars, public transport, social gatherings, nightclubs, homes

    And zero in supermarkets.


  • #4974
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    The stats are there every day go check, it's easy hide behind the old chestnut show me the data. It allows you to dodge the question.
    My theory and I'm seeing it every day is masks aren't being used correctly, we've had Leo demonstrate early on how not to wear them and he's an ex health care professional. I think a lot of people think they double as a chins straps.
    There has been 0 guidelines on how to use them properly, clean them properly and dispose of them properly. I've taken 5 out of my garden in the last two weeks which I assume blew in.
    Incorrect usage of any ppe not just masks is dangerous.
    So either the ppe doesn't work, there not using it correctly or not using it at all.

    I'm not saying masks don't help stop the transmission but there no solution if we're going to open up and head down the road of living beside the virus.
    We need to eradicate it and every day we let the government away with not doing their part on the borders is another day we have to wear masks when it shouldn't be necessary with the proper checks in place.


  • #4975
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Another post where you are unable to respond when holes are put in your arguments. You are 4 months out of date with your info. Its July now not March.
    This is a respiratory virus. Primary method of imfection is not through surfaces.

    Nit sure that quite makes the point you hoped it would.


  • #4976
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The stats are there every day go check, it's easy hide behind the old chestnut show me the data. It allows you to dodge the question.

    You are the one dodging the question.
    You made the claims about infections in health care workers and wearing of masks being more risky than not. Back it up. The point is not whether PPE make you 100% safe but whether their use is safer than not.
    I linked my source about the drop in infections since mask policy changed.


    Its an old chestnut cos its a defence mechanism against nonsense.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4977
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And zero in supermarkets.

    "Show me your evidebce" for transmission in shops between patrons.


  • #4978
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    The Daniel Levy masks look well.


  • #4979
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    "Show me your evidebce" for transmission in shops between patrons.

    Nobody knows when it comes to community transmission re the starting patirnt. So we are trying to eliminate an unknown.
    You will have to tell us which nightclubs are your source of community transmission given they are shut.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4980
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    "Show me your evidebce" for transmission in shops between patrons.

    Wuhan Wet Market.


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  • #4981
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "Bro, you can't catch an STD if you ride her in the jacks."

    "What? That can't be right."

    "Show me the evidence that STDs can be spread in toilets."


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