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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #7082
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Pubs started getting barrel deliveries in preparation for Mondays reopening. Thats a n issue right there due to cash flow problems due to being closed since March. I don't know if the breweries will be accepting returns and I forget the use by date on barrels. The barrel deliveries might be gone to waste now.

    6-8 weeks untapped if stored correctly, so in theory anything delivered should be ok for the 10th. If they get taken back they'll just be disposed of again.

    I'd imagine they'll hang onto them for 2 weeks and see where things are heading. Credit of course will have to be extended, they can't pay for them at the moment


  • #7083
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    To be fair words were put in his mouth in that interview. Was listening to it and he was saying if the government want to stop house parties how is it possible without closing all off licence trade too

    That's fair enough so. I can understand his frustration and does have a point about house parties. I guess they're trying to control things they can but if you're a small rural publican and have to close while people can have house party with 30 people not a bother I can see why they're ticked off.


  • #7084
    Random sample
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Wearing masks in shops was recommended in May. Not enough people have taken up they recommendation, so they are making it mandatory. I don’t see how that’s hard to follow.

    As others have said, at the height of restrictions, only one person was allowed per trolley, now entire families are shopping and social distancing is more difficult. This increases the need for masks.

    If numbers remain steady for the next 3 weeks, the R0 goes down and we are in a better position to open up more.

    I’d rather see health services return than pubs, regardless of the economics.


  • #7085
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Perhaps the breweries only get paid when they are used.

    I am not a pub frequenter at all, but I do feel sorry for them. Many have ploughed a lot of money into getting ready.

    So many are being punished for the actions of so few.

    I'm not a big pub goer myself. I prefer gastro pubs but still i feel sorry for those who planned to open on Monday and now can't. This could add to the list of closures already.


  • #7086
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No point in getting into the R debate again at this stage but its simple stupidity to be predicting 160 cases a day when R is volatile due to 2 large clusters recently, its not accurate. We've been told as much by prof Nolan yet here we are with this being rolled out.

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283661859862831104?s=19

    I don't recall Philip Nolan saying the R value isn't accurate at low levels. He has said it is harder to calculate which is not the same thing.

    2 weeks ago Philip Nolan was saying there he was concerned about the R value being near 1. A week ago he said he was concerned as it was at or above 1 and that there were more outbreaks. Now it is between 1.2 and 1.8. You can put that down to just 2 clusters but the R value has been rising for a few weeks now so you can see what that would concern them. Not to mention that it is only 2 clusters now but with how infectious this disease is, 2 can lead to a lot more. What's the harm in holding off for a few weeks to see if the level of infection is stable and not increasing? If we the daily new cases stays low we can re-open then, if not and they keep increasing then we know we have a problem.


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  • #7087
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It's not, the fact that supermarket employees were not catching it when it was more common shows that it's not as easily transmitted in that setting as some would have you believe, if social distancing wasn't being enforced in shops do the same as the pubs and enforce the existing measures, which worked well rather than adding more.

    Fair enough, you have your opinion, I have mine. Not entirely sure I understand the hardship associated with wearing a mask when popping to the shops though.


  • #7088
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Norway listed Ireland as a safe destination from 10th of July.


    Cmon Ireland, get a plan together.


  • #7089
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    To be fair words were put in his mouth in that interview. Was listening to it and he was saying if the government want to stop house parties how is it possible without closing all off licence trade too

    Is that what he actually said? According to the tweet, Newstalk are saying he said it should be considered to tackle house parties. That's very different to what you are saying he said. Not doubting you, by the way.


  • #7090
    MY BAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    I feel sorry for the publicans on a personal level, but I think it was to ambitious in the first place. I think Leo wanted to have a grand announcement about the country reopening
    before he left office. I think in general there is too much publicity in media for pubs, barbers, beauty salons, wedding planners! and many more non essential services. If the media focused more on cancer services and other more essential services I think it would be better for the country.


  • #7091
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It's not, the fact that supermarket employees were not catching it when it was more common shows that it's not as easily transmitted in that setting as some would have you believe, if social distancing wasn't being enforced in shops do the same as the pubs and enforce the existing measures, which worked well rather than adding more.

    Where is the evidence that supermarkets are safe places from the virus and what is the reason? There is also evidence that in other countries supermarket workers have not been so fortunate. Why would that be the case in other countries and nit in Ireland? What makes our supermarkets so special? Until you understand the reason for something with a virus you can’t confidently say that this is a safe area.

    And in the absence of this understanding , Wearing a mask is the right/prudent course of action.


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  • #7092
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Bars are probably the highest risk for transmission especially in this country

    https://twitter.com/BogochIsaac/status/1283415877652828160


  • #7093
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,829 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Random sample wrote: »
    Wearing masks in shops was recommended in May. Not enough people have taken up they recommendation, so they are making it mandatory. I don’t see how that’s hard to follow.

    As others have said, at the height of restrictions, only one person was allowed per trolley, now entire families are shopping and social distancing is more difficult. This increases the need for masks.

    If numbers remain steady for the next 3 weeks, the R0 goes down and we are in a better position to open up more.

    I’d rather see health services return than pubs, regardless of the economics.

    What good is it if the R0 goes down, it only means that it will go up again, our borders are open and R0 means nothing at lower numbers, no need to be condescending about the masks, what is the mandatory wearing of masks in supermarkets based on as the existing measures were working? Are ff trying to change the news headlines? It looks like it.


  • #7094
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    MY BAD wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the publicans on a personal level, but I think it was to ambitious in the first place. I think Leo wanted to have a grand announcement about the country reopening
    before he left office. I think in general there is too much publicity in media for pubs, barbers, beauty salons, wedding planners! and many more non essential services. If the media focused more on cancer services and other more essential services I think it would be better for the country.

    They are essential services when you factor in the amount of jobs they offer the country.

    Its clear the media will sing about covid long after it is gone. I am going to predict police will not enforce rules, workers will ignore rules and the economy will reopen without any government input. This has gone on far too long.


  • #7095
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    I don't recall Philip Nolan saying the R value isn't accurate at low levels. He has said it is harder to calculate which is not the same thing.

    2 weeks ago Philip Nolan was saying there he was concerned about the R value being near 1. A week ago he said he was concerned as it was at or above 1 and that there were more outbreaks. Now it is between 1.2 and 1.8. You can put that down to just 2 clusters but the R value has been rising for a few weeks now so you can see what that would concern them. Not to mention that it is only 2 clusters now but with how infectious this disease is, 2 can lead to a lot more. What's the harm in holding off for a few weeks to see if the level of infection is stable and not increasing? If we the daily new cases stays low we can re-open then, if not and they keep increasing then we know we have a problem.
    Prof Nolan

    "We’ve said before that this estimate is really quite unreliable when you’ve got very low numbers, and therefore the estimate is varying quite widely"


  • #7096
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Bars are probably the highest risk for transmission especially in this country

    https://twitter.com/BogochIsaac/status/1283415877652828160

    No doubt someone will come along with an excuse as to why none of that applies to Ireland, like they always do.


  • #7097
    MY BAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Onesea wrote: »
    They are essential services when you factor in the amount of jobs they offer the country.

    Its clear the media will sing about covid long after it is gone. I am going to predict police will not enforce rules, workers will ignore rules and the economy will reopen without any government input. This has gone on far too long.
    I agree they are essential when you factor in the jobs, but I should have said more important essential services when referring to cancer services and other health care services.


  • #7098
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "We’ve said before that this estimate is really quite unreliable when you’ve got very low numbers, and therefore the estimate is varying quite widely"

    Can you repeat that again, and again and again and again. For some reason people ignore these important bits. But the news haven't reported it so I guess it's not needed to know.


  • #7099
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's the bank holiday I'd say.

    Also the galway races coming up. Thousands of punters have hotels booked expecting pubs to be open.


  • #7100
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hurrache wrote: »
    No doubt someone will come along with an excuse as to why none of that applies to Ireland, like they always do.
    Eh, they really won't. It is known but putting it back four days before it was long due to happen is the height of bad planning.


  • #7101
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Onesea wrote: »
    They are essential services when you factor in the amount of jobs they offer the country.

    Its clear the media will sing about covid long after it is gone. I am going to predict police will not enforce rules, workers will ignore rules and the economy will reopen without any government input. This has gone on far too long.

    They are not an essential service , that’s a ridiculous statement.

    They are clearly felt to be the highest risk category in terms of spread which is why they are in phase 4. What is the cost to the economy if we open up pubs too soon and the numbers rise?

    There is a lot of disingenuous and very animated defence of pubs going on in here. There is two sides to the balance sheet, not one. There’s the benefits of opening up pubs and there is the cost if it turns out to be a bad call. People are assuming there is onlu negatives to Keeping pubs closed.

    We can feel sorry for individual publicans but Unfortunately there are casualties in a crisis and it’s usually a case of the greater good over the few. The issue with tourists does not change that.

    The problem as I see it is poor communication on the decisions being made. It’s left a vacuum and people are deciding what they think is the case.


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  • #7102
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Eh, they really won't. It is known but putting it back four days before it was long due to happen is the height of bad planning.

    They will, and I could pretty much give you the names of the posters who would.

    People are comparing our pubs with cafes in France and Italy and remarking there's no issue on the continent. But a more apt comparison is with bars in party, vacation and university towns throughout America, and Canada like the one mentioned in the tweet.


  • #7103
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Hurrache wrote: »
    No doubt someone will come along with an excuse as to why none of that applies to Ireland, like they always do.

    Yet they are not even "contemplating closing bars". No doubt you will tell us why that doesn't apply to Ireland?


  • #7104
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    US2 wrote: »
    Also the galway races coming up. Thousands of punters have hotels booked expecting pubs to be open.

    Well then they are clearly idiots and deserve to lose their money. As does anyone who plans to attend a mass gathering like a race meeting.


  • #7105
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Pubs cant even open at 20-30 cases a day.

    I dont see how they will be open for much of the year now.

    Winter with the flu people will be panicking thinking they have the virus & people being more indoors will mean a rise in cases most likely.

    Very worrying times for people in that industry. Would feel sorry for them.


  • #7106
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Hurrache wrote: »
    No doubt someone will come along with an excuse as to why none of that applies to Ireland, like they always do.

    Ha ha, you just couldn't resist, you literally just done what I said would happen with a magnificent failure to understand the comparison. Why are you even quoting "contemplating closing bars"?
    robbiezero wrote: »
    Yet they are not even "contemplating closing bars". No doubt you will tell us why that doesn't apply to Ireland?


  • #7107
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    US2 wrote: »
    Also the galway races coming up. Thousands of punters have hotels booked expecting pubs to be open.

    They were put behind closed doors ages ago


  • #7108
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,880 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can you repeat that again, and again and again and again. For some reason people ignore these important bits. But the news haven't reported it so I guess it's not needed to know.

    doesnt fit the narrative

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #7109
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They were put behind closed doors ages ago

    Yes they couldn't attend the racecourse but still had planned heading to galway for them. Pubs and betting go hand in hand. Thats just one of the reasons that might have been considered.


  • #7110
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,263 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Seems like the second wave is among us.
    Pubs should remain closed until September. See what's going on first. I know it's hard on the pub industry however people are idiots.


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  • #7111
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Seems like the second wave is among us.
    Pubs should remain closed until September. See what's going on first. I know it's hard on the pub industry however people are idiots.

    A second wave with a 0.3% positivity rate from extensive testing? The government's soundbite scare propaganda seems to be working well.


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