Masks

GT89 · 16-07-2020 01:43AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

It's an absolute disgrace that retail staff are being expected to wear masks. They are too uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time. If bus drivers don't have to wear them then nor should retail staff. Customers don't have to be in shops for that long.

I see till staff likely don't have to wear them due to the perspex screens but not everyone who works in retail works on a till some stock shelves. The other alternative for supermarkets to close early at like 6pm and allow staff to stock the shelves so they don't have to wear masks but of course this won't be feasible so just make staff exempt. Masks are too uncomfortable and are dangerous to wear for long periods of time.

I don't think the NBRU would put up with it if bus drivers were obliged to wear masks and rightly so but nor should retail staff.

khalessi · 16-07-2020 01:47AM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

It's an absolute disgrace that retail staff are being expected to wear masks. They are too uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time. If bus drivers don't have to wear them then nor should retail staff. Customers don't have to be in shops for that long.

I see till staff likely don't have to wear them due to the perspex screens but not everyone who works in retail works on a till some stock shelves. The other alternative for supermarkets to close early at like 6pm and allow staff to stock the shelves so they don't have to wear masks but of course this won't be feasible so just make staff exempt. Masks are too uncomfortable and are dangerous to wear for long periods of time.

Well it could be to their advantage and you do get used to it.

GT89 · 16-07-2020 01:52AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

Well it could be to their advantage and you do get used to it.

I don't see how it's an advantage. If customers wear them then staff are protected. You try doing an 8hr shift wearing one its very extremely uncomfortable and not normal. Customers don't have to be in the shop all day staff do.

khalessi · 16-07-2020 02:01AM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

I don't see how it's an advantage. If customers wear them then staff are protected. You try doing an 8hr shift wearing one its very extremely uncomfortable and not normal. Customers don't have to be in the shop all day staff do.

I used to do 8 and 12 hour shifts wearing them. They should be wearing them too, as they have to protect themselves from each other in case of asymptomatic transfer not just the customers.

GT89 · 16-07-2020 02:03AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

I used to do 8 and 12 hour shifts wearing them. They should be wearing them too, as they have to protect themselves from each other in case of asymptomatic transfer not just the customers.

Staff are not working in close promixity to each other and anyway most will probably take off in the stockroom or the canteen or anywhere where customers are not present

khalessi · 16-07-2020 02:06AM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

Staff are not working in close promixity to each other and anyway most will probably take off in the stockroom or the canteen or anywhere where customers are not present

Probably but they should still be wearing them, you get used to it. I also used to have to wear what amounted to a welding helment when working SSD department for sterilising surgical instruments, now that was uncomfortable heavy and hot but I still wore it for H&S proitocols. THey are being asked to wear light material to protect themselves and each other.

Have a look at the Czech ads re masks, I wear a mask to protect you and you wear a mask to protect me. It works.

GT89 · 16-07-2020 02:19AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

Probably but they should still be wearing them, you get used to it. I also used to have to wear what amounted to a welding helment when working SSD department for sterilising surgical instruments, now that was uncomfortable heavy and hot but I still wore it for H&S proitocols. THey are being asked to wear light material to protect themselves and each other.

Have a look at the Czech ads re masks, I wear a mask to protect you and you wear a mask to protect me. It works.

But you obivously signed up for that job knowing full well you'd have to wear uncomfortable PPE. When I signed my contract there was nothing in it regarding the use of masks. Masks are not generally used in retail so staff shouldn't be expected to wear them.

I don't care about Czech Republic or any other country for that matter as I don't live there. This is Ireland and retail staff shouldn't have to wear them here.

khalessi · 16-07-2020 02:20AM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

But you obivously signed up for that job knowing full well you'd have to wear uncomfortable PPE. When I signed my contract there was nothing in it regarding the use of masks. Masks are not generally used in retail so staff shouldn't be expected to wear them.

I don't care about Czech Republic or any other country for that matter as I don't live there. This is Ireland and retail staff shouldn't have to wear them here.

You also didnt know there would be a pandemic. Not wearing one is selfish.

GT89 · 16-07-2020 02:32AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

You also didnt know there would be a pandemic. Not wearing one is selfish.

So it's selfish to want to be comfortable whilst at work that's a new to me. I don't a huge problem with wearing one for 30 mins but a whole day every working day for god knows how long as no one knows when this plandemic pandemic will end. I'm sure bus drivers didn't know this was going to happen either but yet they don't have to masks despite them being mandatory on public transport.

Lolamontez · 16-07-2020 02:47AM

Yes: surgical

https://www.copperclothing.com/product/copper-infused-face-mask/
Any thoughts on these copper infused masks?

Pkiernan · 16-07-2020 04:18AM

GT89 wrote: »

So it's selfish to want to be comfortable whilst at work that's a new to me. I don't a huge problem with wearing one for 30 mins but a whole day every working day for god knows how long as no one knows when this plandemic pandemic will end. I'm sure bus drivers didn't know this was going to happen either but yet they don't have to masks despite them being mandatory on public transport.

Just wear a mask ffs.

A ventilator is a lot more uncomfortable

timmy_mallet · 16-07-2020 07:49AM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Just wear a mask ffs.

A ventilator is a lot more uncomfortable

Ha. Always comes back to this when the argument is lost.

bloopy · 16-07-2020 08:43AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Ha. Always comes back to this when the argument is lost.

This is the same tactic over and over again. Like a bloody religious mantra.
Why are masks being made mandatory now when cases have stabilized. Why mandatory when just 161 cases detected over the week from 49327 test conducted during the same period. A discovery rate of 0.3%.
Is the government just following social media outrage merchants at this stage?

khalessi · 16-07-2020 08:50AM

Yes: surgical

bloopy wrote: »

This is the same tactic over and over again. Like a bloody religious mantra.
Why are masks being made mandatory now when cases have stabilized. Why mandatory when just 161 cases detected over the week from 49327 test conducted during the same period. A discovery rate of 0.3%.
Is the government just following social media outrage merchants at this stage?

Maybe because the R number is now between 1.2 to 1.8 and the ages affected are mainly under 40and in their 20s and as mixing increases they are trying to prevent community spread. I think the statistic given last week was 77% under 40 on the news.

Maybe it is because we are still learning more about this disease and just because there is an ease up of restrcitions does not mean it is gone.

Maybe it is because the government realise masks will help quash the virus as people mix more and rather then tighten restrictions they are relying on people to be sensible and take preacautions without whining it is uncomfortable.

Maybe it is because there are now masks available and face coverings that were not available in March and as the R number goes up they are using what is now available to prevent spread.

gmisk · 16-07-2020 08:58AM

na1 wrote: »

Mandatory masks never prove to be efficient or any good for fighting the virus.

Maybe just for the masks manufacturers/retailers...

That's right it's all a scam brought about by those big mask companies....

Away With The Fairies · 16-07-2020 09:29AM

Yes: valved

GT89 wrote: »

But you obivously signed up for that job knowing full well you'd have to wear uncomfortable PPE. When I signed my contract there was nothing in it regarding the use of masks. Masks are not generally used in retail so staff shouldn't be expected to wear them.

I don't care about Czech Republic or any other country for that matter as I don't live there. This is Ireland and retail staff shouldn't have to wear them here.

It's every employees duties to follow their employer's rules and policies on health and safety. You actually signed up for it. Masks are just a new measure to go along with every other health and safety policy your workplace has.

Away With The Fairies · 16-07-2020 09:53AM

Yes: valved

Now that masks are mandatory, is non compliance now a health and safety issue and can make a complaint to the health and safety authority if you see places not enforcing mask wearing?

Wibbs · 16-07-2020 10:01AM

Yes: other

gmisk wrote: »

That's right it's all a scam brought about by those big mask companies....

Look G, when you see this part in bold below you kinda know we're not talking logic here.

GT89 wrote: »

no one knows when this plandemic pandemic will end.

And I've found it's quite the common feeling and attitude out there. I've observed it in otherwise normally intelligent people. An understandable mix of a deep need for the security and comfort of their old routines mixed with a denial that a new normality and routine might be in play, add in the understandable lockdown fatigue with a large side order of fatalism and not a little even more understandable panic at how this is affecting people financially and personally. Not just around masks either, though they would be the most visible "it's not normal anymore" symbol of these times so tend to attract the most cultural resistance.

railer201 · 16-07-2020 10:07AM

Yes: valved

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Ha. Always comes back to this when the argument is lost.

The argument against masks was never found - there is none. Masks are just as an important weapon in the armoury against this killer virus as social distancing and hand washing - not just an optional extra.

Mask it or Casket

Hurrache · 16-07-2020 10:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Spend 5 minutes or less in a shop socially distanced, you gotta wear a mask. Can sit in a restaurant for 105 minutes and not be expected to wear one for practical reason such as eating. Makes complete sense to me :rolleyes:

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Curtain twitchers, haven't left their home since March, emailing their TD begging to impose their will on others of wearing a mask going to the shop 'in case just one, JUST ONE, life is saved' virtue signalling ballix, when the logic of it all utterly fails. And the evidence of the last 4 months suggest masks are pointless in those settings. We all breathed over each other while picking our easy singles in Tesco and guess what, nothing, 0 community transfer. None.

moonage wrote: »

All the masked crusaders on here are being hoodwinked.

Mandatory mask wearing has more to do with superstition and optics than public health.

It's all a load of balls and will make shag-all difference.

Don't be whingers, wear a bloody mask for 10 minutes.

CalamariFritti · 16-07-2020 10:28AM

The first thing that went out the window was rationale. Sanity is next.

circadian · 16-07-2020 10:30AM

Yes: other

Good to see there's still a healthy dose of selfish ignorance going around. While the world is changing around us, it seems some things remain the same regardless.

Also, in other news. Catching up on Dolores Cahill and her unfounded theories about the virus and masks being more harmful.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucd-school-of-medicine-disassociates-itself-from-professor-s-views-1.4283774?mode=amp

Good to see relevant bodies maki g a public statement about her behaviour. If there's one thing we don't need here, it's the politicisation of the pandemic like we've seen in the USA. It's an absolute disgrace that someone uses their scientific credentials to spread misinformation purely to further their own, fringe, political career.

na1 · 16-07-2020 10:30AM

Ludo wrote: »

hmmm...not so sure about that from reading this thread.

Yes! They believe in magic healing atmosphere in banks that kills any viruses.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-07-2020 10:31AM

No: I don't care enough

Lolamontez wrote: »

https://www.copperclothing.com/product/copper-infused-face-mask/
Any thoughts on these copper infused masks?

They're ok, but still take a few hours to destory COVID (still better than the days it can survive for). That specific product isn't tested or certified nor gives details on the amount of copper. Also states it can't be washed.

Best product is silver (polymer embedded nanosilver particles: NSPs). 10% total fabric. 20-30notes each. This kills the WuFlu in less than an hour if present, and can be washed as it's polymer infused.

An easy option for fabric surfaces is to blast with 10secs of UV-C or nano-silver spray if can't wash dry after each use.

na1 · 16-07-2020 10:34AM

Seanergy wrote: »

Don't know why your choosing microfiber as your material? 2 masks from one cloth? 1 layer masks so is it? Might aswell wear your jocks up over your face.

Did you read the original post I was replying? And what was the material?
They use microfibre cloth to make face cover.

16-07-2020 10:38AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Don't be whingers, wear a bloody mask for 10 minutes.

I'm not whinging, I have no problem wearing a mask. Never said otherwise. I did however point out that you will most likely be able to sit unmasked in a restaurant for 105 minutes because it's simply not practical but potentially have a much greater time for any exposure.

Seanergy · 16-07-2020 10:41AM

Yes: valved

Lolamontez wrote: »

https://www.copperclothing.com/product/copper-infused-face-mask/
Any thoughts on these copper infused masks?

Don't see how they can get anywhere near 99% when using a needle and thread to stich the 4 layers of woven fabric together. You see they can't heat fuse or use ultrasonic welding on woven fabrics, afew obstacles to overcome me thinks. Copper has gotten some hype as a contact killer even though it's not instaneous, takes up to four hours+.

Alot more excited about table salt to be honest, if the preliminary testing holds true, virus could be deactivated in 5 mins and killed in 20. Not sure how it is going to transfer to the worldwide everyday but for the majority it might just be a case of storing your facemask in a bag of salt and shaking it out before use!? Leave that to the scientist's.

If youve got the reds and everyone around you is masked up hey no harm go copper infused 99 on it, but like any needle stiched mask a rub of a candle to get the wax into the stich holes is sensible behaviour.

na1 · 16-07-2020 10:41AM

khalessi wrote: »

Maybe because the R number is now between 1.2 to 1.8 and the ages affected are mainly under 40and in their 20s and as mixing increases they are trying to prevent community spread. I think the statistic given last week was 77% under 40 on the news.

Maybe it is because we are still learning more about this disease and just because there is an ease up of restrcitions does not mean it is gone.

Maybe it is because the government realise masks will help quash the virus as people mix more and rather then tighten restrictions they are relying on people to be sensible and take preacautions without whining it is uncomfortable.

The new regulation says nothing about surgical masks or respirators!
Any proof that 'face covering' helps protecting us from COVID?
Any scientific research?

khalessi wrote: »

Maybe it is because there are now masks available and face coverings that were not available in March and as the R number goes up they are using what is now available to prevent spread.

"Carbon" Mask for 20 euro? Or a piece of cotton (net cost 5с) for 1e each?
No thanks!

Hurrache · 16-07-2020 10:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not whinging, I have no problem wearing a mask. Never said otherwise. I did however point out that you will most likely be able to sit unmasked in a restaurant for 105 minutes because it's simply not practical but potentially have a much greater time for any exposure.

If you go to a restaurant for dinner you know the risk, however high or low, you're voluntarily putting yourself at. People have the choice and can avoid putting themselves in such situations.

You don't have much of a choice in avoiding going to the shops and supermarkets.

na1 · 16-07-2020 10:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not whinging, I have no problem wearing a mask. Never said otherwise. I did however point out that you will most likely be able to sit unmasked in a restaurant for 105 minutes because it's simply not practical but potentially have a much greater time for any exposure.

Also If you don't believe that the bank visitors are immune to COVID - you're idiot they say!

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