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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8192
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    Last week lots of posters were on here smugly recounting trips to the pub where no food was being served and the 90 minute limit wasn't being observed. Now they're wailing and moaning about further pubs not being allowed to open.

    I think this is going to be a pattern. People going on holdays and not bothering to quarantine properly, people dismissing social distancing as nonsense, pulling down their face masks as soon as they've sat down on the bus, etc etc will then be furious and blaming the government, NPHET and everyone but themselves when further restrictions have to be reimplemented.

    And the posters who can't understand why wearing masks is necessary now when it wasn't during the lockdown are a bit worrying.

    Who is dismissing social distancing as nonsense?


  • #8193
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Pretzill wrote: »
    There's a terrible amount of panic and doom in this thread. The reality of the situation now is we are entering a second wave - it might be just a ripple, and it better not be a tsunami, we haven't the health service to cope - if wearing a mask lessens that wave I'm all for it (it isn't hard) and if not opening the pubs fully helps also? I think many people won't be too bothered about the delay.

    Things have changed but it could be a lot worse.

    You say there's panic here yet you mention a second wave. Unless they can see figures coming down the track in the next couple days I'm calling bs on that.
    The numbers were always going to rise slightly with each opening but it is far from a second wave.


  • #8194
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Pretzill wrote: »
    There's a terrible amount of panic and doom in this thread. The reality of the situation now is we are entering a second wave - it might be just a ripple, and it better not be a tsunami, we haven't the health service to cope - if wearing a mask lessens that wave I'm all for it (it isn't hard) and if not opening the pubs fully helps also? I think many people won't be too bothered about the delay.

    Things have changed but it could be a lot worse.

    Yes I agree. I can understand people being upset about schools not being allowed reopen or something like that. But the outrage over reopening of pubs being delayed a few weeks is ridiculous.


  • #8195
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Who is dismissing social distancing as nonsense?

    Ah come on. An awful lot of the population aren't adhering to social distancing.


  • #8196
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Who is dismissing social distancing as nonsense?

    The many many people who don't practise it anymore.


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  • #8197
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    And the posters who can't understand why wearing masks is necessary now when it wasn't during the lockdown are a bit worrying.
    Well it probably should have been necessary during the lockdown but supplies were low. It'd be good to have this point expanded on and it made clear that wearing masks from day one would have been great but we weren't as sure then as we are now and we couldn't get them. I don't think some people have grasped that.


  • #8198
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,040 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    The many many people who don't practise it anymore.

    as long as you don't sneeze or cough on them you are ok to be standing beside someone for a few minutes if you have to. most sane people know this.


  • #8199
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    Yes I agree. I can understand people being upset about schools not being allowed reopen or something like that. But the outrage over reopening of pubs being delayed a few weeks is ridiculous.

    Well schools dont serve pints so for some they naturally arent as important as those establishments that sell pints.


  • #8200
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    ixoy wrote: »
    Well it probably should have been necessary during the lockdown but supplies were low. It'd be good to have this point expanded on and it made clear that wearing masks from day one would have been great but we weren't as sure then as we are now and we couldn't get them. I don't think some people have grasped that.

    There's also the fact that during lockdown most people were hardly going out so even though you were coming into contact with people in the supermarket that was likely to be the only place they'd been all week. Now they've possibly been to the pub, the hairdresser, stayed a couple of nights with their sister, have teenagers who are out and about and so on.


  • #8201
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    as long as you don't sneeze or cough on them you are ok to be standing beside someone for a few minutes if you have to. most sane people know this.

    Not necessarily true.

    Speaking and breathing releases droplets too so there's the potential for infection there. Granted, the range of spread of the droplets in those instances is probably much less than a sneeze or a cough so the risk would be much lower, but a risk nonetheless.


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  • #8202
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    Yes I agree. I can understand people being upset about schools not being allowed reopen or something like that. But the outrage over reopening of pubs being delayed a few weeks is ridiculous.

    You think they'll allow schools to reopen in September given the nonsense reasoning they are using to prolong the current restrictions?

    'LOL' as the kids say.


  • #8203
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    as long as you don't sneeze or cough on them you are ok to be standing beside someone for a few minutes if you have to. most sane people know this.

    Yes a few minutes. But that's not what I'm talking about.


  • #8204
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    Yes I agree. I can understand people being upset about schools not being allowed reopen or something like that. But the outrage over reopening of pubs being delayed a few weeks is ridiculous.
    It's not really outrage, they never bothered to tell anyone they were thinking this way. Last week was the time to do that. Publicans, foolishly or otherwise were preparing themselves to open next week. Whatever about the need for swift action in the very tough days, there's little to no excuse now for an apparent lack of planning now with numbers so low.


  • #8205
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Pretzill wrote: »
    There's a terrible amount of panic and doom in this thread. The reality of the situation now is we are entering a second wave - it might be just a ripple, and it better not be a tsunami, we haven't the health service to cope - if wearing a mask lessens that wave I'm all for it (it isn't hard) and if not opening the pubs fully helps also? I think many people won't be too bothered about the delay.

    Things have changed but it could be a lot worse.




    Unfortunately masks dont lessen it. Other countries where masks were compulsory are rising fast now, maybe they opened everything too early


  • #8206
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I think that sounds perfectly logical but if that's the case, why not limit tourists coming into the country as well? I'd have no issue with keeping the pubs closed as part of a concentrated effort to do everything we can to stop the virus. At the moment though, all the good work could be undone by some moron from Florida who thinks Covid is some communist plot to take away his guns coming in and travelling all around the country.




    Because we can't close the border to the north


  • #8207
    average_runner
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    prunudo wrote: »
    You say there's panic here yet you mention a second wave. Unless they can see figures coming down the track in the next couple days I'm calling bs on that.
    The numbers were always going to rise slightly with each opening but it is far from a second wave.




    No one can call it a second wave, the second wave could be smaller but there is a wave coming from the east, the numbers are showing it and you can't deny that


  • #8208
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    average_runner wrote: »
    Unfortunately masks dont lessen it. Other countries where masks were compulsory are rising fast now, maybe they opened everything too early
    There is that sense of invincibility that masks can confer on some people. We've seen plenty of people in other countries behaving as if it's back to normal.


  • #8209
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    You think they'll allow schools to reopen in September given the nonsense reasoning they are using to prolong the current restrictions?

    'LOL' as the kids say.




    Right now nope, we need to ensure we don't go above the 100.


  • #8210
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    The many many people who don't practise it anymore.

    We are allowed play and train in football and GAA. We have basically been told not to social distance. You cant social distance playing football


  • #8211
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    You kind of despair when you read posts like the above.

    How easily manipulated people are.

    The Government campaign of attempting to blame the people seems to be swallowed whole by some. The restrictions were never meant to be more than a short-term measure to buy the heath service a bit of time to get their house in order.

    Maybe you should be wondering, why 5 months later, we haven't managed to do that?

    Nah- it's the people not wearing masks properly and going on holiday that are the reason :rolleyes:

    So what is the reason, if its not people moving around more and sizeable numbers ignoring medical and Government advice?

    That's a genuine question by the way. I just don't understand why the Government would put our economy under even more strain if they felt it wasn't absolutely necessary.


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  • #8212
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    average_runner wrote: »
    Right now nope, we need to ensure we don't go above the 100.
    With about 6 weeks to go I'm far less convinced that schools have any hope of opening, not so much because of the virus but because they don't seem able to plan their way out of a paper bag.


  • #8213
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    We are allowed play and train in football and GAA. We have basically been told not to social distance. You cant social distance playing football

    Tbf Dundalk have normally social distanced themselves well ahead of the rest of the league in recent years!


  • #8214
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    So what is the reason, if its not people moving around more and sizeable numbers ignoring medical and Government advice?

    That's a genuine question by the way. I just don't understand why the Government would put our economy under even more strain if they felt it wasn't absolutely necessary.
    They kind of don't have a plan at present, just mitigate the virus with masks, fines and finger-wagging. There is a business plan due next week, which might provide guidance as to the thinking.


  • #8215
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    prunudo wrote: »
    Its the first morning in about 2 months that I have that uneasy feeling again that i had throughout April and May. The uncertainty has crept back in. Was starting to get used to a somewhat steady normal again with things slowly opening up again.
    What i can't fathom is the rationale behind the decision, I'd understand of the numbers were spiralling out if control but they're not.
    We're now back to 'experts' on the media wanting to eradicate the virus and advocating a near indefinite lockdown while comparing us to New Zealand. All while being unchallenged by the presenters. Fear and scaremongering are the order of the day again.

    Yep. Groundhog Day once again. Shocking tripe- we need the budget for a severe reality check I’m afraid


  • #8216
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Ansley Savory Podiatrist wrote: »
    So what is the reason, if its not people moving around more and sizeable numbers ignoring medical and Government advice?

    That's a genuine question by the way. I just don't understand why the Government would put our economy under even more strain if they felt it wasn't absolutely necessary.

    Because we have a populist government.

    The popular decision these days is the most PC correct decision.

    At whatever cost to the state the perpetually offended must be protected at all costs.

    Nobody wants to be the cause of another end of life patient dying of Covid.

    Cancer deaths are a more "popular" death. Less suffering it seems from cancer, and a cancer death wont generate thanks for some uneducated buffon commenting RIP on social media


  • #8217
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    average_runner wrote: »
    Right now nope, we need to ensure we don't go above the 100.

    Other than your arse, where has the figure of '100' been pulled from?


  • #8218
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Tbf Dundalk have normally social distanced themselves well ahead of the rest of the league in recent years!

    I'm on about my local GAA and soccer club, we can't use changing rooms, we can train, we can play, defenders pulling out of forwards for 60 mins, we can't shake hands after the game though, but we can go for pints with each other but only if we buy a meal.


  • #8219
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    average_runner wrote: »
    Unfortunately masks dont lessen it. Other countries where masks were compulsory are rising fast now, maybe they opened everything too early

    There is scientific evidence to prove masks protect those around you from transmission - once everyone wears them and wears them correctly. I have been wearing a mask since early March anytime I'm in a busy interior. Most people haven't being so it's been a pretty useless exercise on my part except for the fact in the early days in supermarkets people tended to give you a wide berth is they saw you masked up :)


  • #8220
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    ixoy wrote: »
    Well it probably should have been necessary during the lockdown but supplies were low. It'd be good to have this point expanded on and it made clear that wearing masks from day one would have been great but we weren't as sure then as we are now and we couldn't get them. I don't think some people have grasped that.

    My local Supervalu hasn't changed. Still distances marked queues outside, still only a certain amount allowed inside. I don't really what has now changed, that masks are a necessity in it.
    I do see it for public transport and the like.


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  • #8221
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,040 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I think the majority of Irish people aren't that afraid of the virus, that is why most don't wear masks etc yet its funny how the "leaders" of the country are behaving like complete wimps over it. we would be better off dead than live this half life.


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