John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

irishgeo · 16-06-2020 11:43AM

The fai suing Deloitte should be interesting.

ButtersSuki · 16-06-2020 11:55AM

irishgeo wrote: »

The fai suing Deloitte should be interesting.

Any detail? Only story i can find on it is behind a paywall

Father Hernandez · 16-06-2020 11:57AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Any detail? Only story i can find on it is behind a paywall

Same, some info from the Journal if that helps.

https://www.thejournal.ie/fai-deloitte-5123994-Jun2020/

irishgeo · 16-06-2020 12:22PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Any detail? Only story i can find on it is behind a paywall

not much details to be honest

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fai-launches-court-case-against-former-auditor-deloitte-39289799.html

Seth Brundle · 16-06-2020 02:28PM

What's the end game here? Is this a way to get Deloittes to reveal instructions of any attempt to hide the numbers?

irishgeo · 16-06-2020 02:40PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What's the end game here? Is this a way to get Deloittes to reveal instructions of any attempt to hide the numbers?

Money I'd say.

16-06-2020 04:26PM

It could be very interesting. I presume, for reputation etc., Deloitte will have to fully defend it. I don't think any of us would suggest they did anything other than what they were instructed to do and acted on the basis of the information they were given, so it might shed more light on the workings of the FAI.

Zebra3 · 28-06-2020 09:18AM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fais-walshe-did-legal-work-for-delaney-39321941.html

Trouble for Walshe.

Hopefully she has something on him.

Irishmale0399 · 28-06-2020 11:05AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fais-walshe-did-legal-work-for-delaney-39321941.html

Trouble for Walshe.

Hopefully she has something on him.

Hopefully that is what the FAI need to get rid of her!!!! On the way out she maywell speak about JD and his antics.

stockshares · 15-07-2020 06:30PM

From Mark Tighe on Twitter

https://twitter.com/courtsnewsIRL/status/1283428718124433413?s=19

KevRossi · 15-07-2020 06:33PM

Nice.

If he fails to do it, it's contempt, which would give him a taster of Mountjoy. It's closing in on him.

Oat23 · 15-07-2020 06:41PM

KevRossi wrote: »

Nice.

If he fails to do it, it's contempt, which would give him a taster of Mountjoy. It's closing in on him.

Rich, corrupt Irish businessmen don't go to Mountjoy unfortunately. They get fined and a stern talking to.

stockshares · 16-07-2020 10:48AM

The more things change.

The FAI ****show continues
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-40016549.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/questions-about-process-and-fai-politics-leave-scanlon-with-point-to-prove-to-underwhelmed-clubs-39371441.html?__twitter_impression=true

stockshares · 17-07-2020 11:44AM

More on Delaney's aftermath
https://twitter.com/thecurrency/status/1284038026759462912?s=19

Seth Brundle · 23-07-2020 09:34PM

https://twitter.com/courtsnewsIRL/status/1286338401822822405?s=19

StupidLikeAFox · 23-07-2020 09:58PM

From another tweet in the same thread:
"The statement says: "Because of the negative and hostile media in Ireland he moved to the UK and now works 60 to 80 hours a weeks to manage the operations of a start-up business which provides "essential services to public bodies in the UK during the Covid-19 pandemic".

What a hero!!

Brock Turnpike · 23-07-2020 10:06PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

From another tweet in the same thread:
"The statement says: "Because of the negative and hostile media in Ireland he moved to the UK and now works 60 to 80 hours a weeks to manage the operations of a start-up business which provides "essential services to public bodies in the UK during the Covid-19 pandemic".

What a hero!!

How could anyone give that man a job?

josip · 23-07-2020 10:46PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

How could anyone give that man a job?

Probably his own business selling chairs to the NHS

Brock Turnpike · 23-07-2020 11:19PM

sugarman wrote: »

Full article. Outstanding neck on him. Still believes he can ride it out, and he probably will.

Neck like a jockey's bollix.

HalloweenJack · 24-07-2020 09:01AM

How does he get to decide what falls under legal privilege?

Would it not be the case that the prosecution sift through the evidence, pick out what they want and then JD and his lawyers try to claim legal privilege?

I can just see JD waving his hand over a whole bunch of files and mumbling 'legal privilege' before then tying up the courts with more legal wrangling while the prosecution try to get hold of them. I don't understand how that can be allowed.

Mushy · 24-07-2020 09:19AM

The sun and mirror (I know, I know) front page have him blabbering how hes risking his health by working in the UK. What a martyr to the cause!

24-07-2020 09:22AM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

How does he get to decide what falls under legal privilege?

Would it not be the case that the prosecution sift through the evidence, pick out what they want and then JD and his lawyers try to claim legal privilege?.

Privilege is claimed before discovery/disclosure.

You say what documents or category of documents are not being disclosed and why not, what privilege is being claimed. This can then be reviewed or challenged. You don't hand over a document and then assert privilege, the information is disclosed by then.

Robxxx7 · 24-07-2020 09:35AM

I wonder if this is his essential business (management consultancy)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12555218/officers

seems to tie in with his age etc

HalloweenJack · 24-07-2020 10:01AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You say what documents or category of documents are not being disclosed and why not, what privilege is being claimed. This can then be reviewed or challenged.

Does this not make it easier to waste time and hide documents?

24-07-2020 10:25AM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Does this not make it easier to waste time and hide documents?

Ultimately it's all subject to review by the Courts. But, where it arises, Discovery is a very important part of litigation and it can take a very long time to tease through, it can takes months, it can take over a year. Because it can be the winning and losing of a case, an email here that contradicts what a party is asserting in Pleadings, an account there that wasn't disclosed in, say family law proceedings, and suddenly a case can turn on its head. Sometimes a party's position will be completely undermined by what they produce, so they should go through each and every email, account, document, line by line.

If someone is found to be hiding documents wrongly asserting privilege, they can be penalised in costs.

ionadnapóca · 24-07-2020 11:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ultimately it's all subject to review by the Courts. But, where it arises, Discovery is a very important part of litigation and it can take a very long time to tease through, it can takes months, it can take over a year. Because it can be the winning and losing of a case, an email here that contradicts what a party is asserting in Pleadings, an account there that wasn't disclosed in, say family law proceedings, and suddenly a case can turn on its head. Sometimes a party's position will be completely undermined by what they produce, so they should go through each and every email, account, document, line by line.

If someone is found to be hiding documents wrongly asserting privilege, they can be penalised in costs.

Im sure his solicitors are working thoroughly and with complete moral integrity. & poor John has to pay the bills and provide for his family that he left behind.

re: litigation
Anyone know if this Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement investigation is conducted in a court?
Or is it just the Court's deciding on what the "corporate watchdog's investigative powers" can and cant use?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0723/1155203-delaney-denies-claim-that-he-is-paralysing-odce-powers/

24-07-2020 11:24AM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Im sure his solicitors are working thoroughly and with complete moral integrity.

In fairness, I would assume they are too.

Despite the public perception, you'd be hard pressed to find any Solicitor or Barrister who would risk their career and getting a very serious censure from a High Court Judge for any client. They know the consequences of participating in any attempt to hide or bury documents, and how fickle clients can be ("Judge, I wanted to show it but my Solicitor said I should hide it").

Zebra3 · 24-07-2020 11:41AM

Can we spare a thought for young John at the moment?

Paying for his own accommodation.

It must be so difficult.

ionadnapóca · 24-07-2020 12:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, I would assume they are too.

Despite the public perception, you'd be hard pressed to find any Solicitor or Barrister who would risk their career and getting a very serious censure from a High Court Judge for any client. They know the consequences of participating in any attempt to hide or bury documents, and how fickle clients can be ("Judge, I wanted to show it but my Solicitor said I should hide it").

Of course. & his senior counsel, former chairman of the bar, specialises in defending professional negligence claims and ensuring his defendants are "properly notified of the demand or given an opportunity to contest it. (v's revenue commissioners)"
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/truck-driver-wins-action-over-1-5m-greek-tax-penalty-demand-1.3482941

If the ODCE get anything to stick on Delaney it will be a minor miracle.
Maybe that would be for the best though?
The colossal gob****e can continue his good Samaritan work in England and he will also be able to look after his poor unfortunate family.
(im been genuine about his family. i really do feel sorry for them)

josip · 24-07-2020 12:05PM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Of course. & his senior counsel, former chairman of the bar, specialises in defending professional negligence claims and ensuring his defendants are "properly notified of the demand or given an opportunity to contest it. (v's revenue commissioners)"
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/truck-driver-wins-action-over-1-5m-greek-tax-penalty-demand-1.3482941

If the ODCE get anything to stick on Delaney it will be a minor miracle.
Maybe that would be for the best though?
The colossal gob****e can continue his good Samaritan work in England and he will also be able to look after his poor unfortunate family.
(im been genuine about his family. i really do feel sorry for them)

Does he have family?
I thought Emma left him?

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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