Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan wrote: »

If SF aren't still pro IRA, why won't the SF TDs tell what they know about the pedo rapists in the IRA?

Shinnbots never answer that question.

Well the IRA is gone and they have always claimed they supported it so I don't know what your point is?

Deleted User wrote: »

Its almost as if the government is in crisis and needs a distraction??


Expecting paul quinn(who ffg excluded getting justice for,from.the programme for government) to be wheeled out about 5 or 6pm :rolleyes:

Paul Williams heading up with the Indo cheque book?

Truthvader wrote: »

Just read the last few pages. Its like an endless train ride through Gerry Adams' twisted booby trapped mind; full of dead ends, double meanings, lies, denials, equivocations, justifications, whataboutery, falsehoods, unspoken understandings and spiritual bankruptcy. As they are called out on each lie three more new ones spring into its place.

Give up. These people are not amenable to normal discourse because at their very core they are absolutely convinced that killing another person to get what you want is OK.

All that can be done is for decent people to ensure that they are excluded from power forever and to steadfastly point out the backsliding and lies as and when they crop up. There will never be any contrition, realisation or concession to any normal standards of behaviour

Yes, it seems that some people believe killing retired part-time members of the reserves was a vital necessity to achieve "Irish freedom", whatever that means in a multi-cultural, multi-denominational, movable modern world.

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, it seems that some people believe killing retired part-time members of the reserves was a vital necessity to achieve "Irish freedom", whatever that means in a multi-cultural, multi-denominational, movable modern world.

It seems most people would believe that as the Old IRA done the exact same thing

In May, 1921, the I.R.A killed a 70 year old ex-soldiers called Mick Sullivan near Rathmore, Co. Kerry and used his body to lure Crown Forces into the area.

DMP constable Michael McCarthy was shot in Cork on April 22nd. He died on April 24th at Cork military hospital. McCarthy was off duty and at home on leave working in a field when two men approached him. They produced guns. Shot him and ran off.


RIC sergeant was shot Patrick Carroll was shot dead while leaving church after Mass at Kilmilhill, County Clare.

There's no such this as an off duty soldier.

Truthvader wrote: »

Nope, not good enough. People the world over suffer injustices abnormal societies and disappointments. The vast majority do not choose murder

Like what countries are you referring to? just curious.

Of course the vast majority of people don't commit murder what is your point? Obviously the majority of people in any war in any country don't commit murder why are you just stating the obvious?

Deleted User wrote: »

Ya....these are real bastions of peace with no killings alright :pac:


Didnt the yanks,end up negociating with the taliban after a protracted civil war.....

If with all resources yanks can throw at a war,they couldnt defeat an guerilla campaign.....what makes people think the brits were on brink of outright victory in the 6 counties??

The vast majority even in those places way more abnormal than NI did not resort to murder. Some did as in NI. Its not OK

Deleted User wrote: »

Mate....your citing afganistan and iraq as bastions of peace ,where people put up with oppression and dont resort to defending emselves


What next isreal/palastine as an example of how community relations should be :pac: or johhny depp/amber heard as an example of healthy mature relationship

"Mate....your citing afganistan and iraq as bastions of peace"

Eh no. I am doing precisely the opposite. Try to concentrate

Truthvader wrote: »

The vast majority even in those places way more abnormal than NI did not resort to murder. Some did as in NI. Its not OK

"Abnormal"....You mean, there wasn't a class of collaborators, who got big farms, and monopolies on the professions, and civil service...For hanging Afghan people and burning their homes ...like they did in Skibereen....The Brit has one plan, and only ever one plan...And that is to cultivate some morals free local conservatives...to betray their nation, to put those they have betrayed on the spit, and turn them, for their British overlords.....The Taliban won't fall for the same tricks that fooled the Irish....And reduced the majority of Irish people to enslavement and poverty...The Taliban won't fall for these tricks, the installation of a west British government in Afghanistan....They'd rather die, than become like Ireland....where the majority of people are milked like cattle, by "gentlemen" farmers of men.

cyllyn28 wrote: »

"Abnormal"....You mean, there wasn't a class of collaborators, who got big farms, and monopolies on the professions, and civil service...For hanging Afghan people and burning their homes ...like they did in Skibereen....The Brit has one plan, and only ever one plan...And that is to cultivate some morals free local conservatives...to betray their nation, to put those they have betrayed on the spit, and turn them, for their British overlords.....The Taliban won't fall for the same tricks that fooled the Irish....And reduced the majority of Irish people to enslavement and poverty...The Taliban won't fall for these tricks, the installation of a west British government in Afghanistan....They'd rather die, than become like Ireland....where the majority of people are milked like cattle, by "gentlemen" farmers of men.

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have said it WAS ALL WRONG. What the hell more do you need to know, to work out whether I justify it or not?

I want to you to answer the question, on how the murder of two boys in Warrington help defend Nationalists in the north.

If you just say, it did nothing to defend Nationalists in the north, it would be a good first step of growth for you. Do you agree with me on this statement?

markodaly wrote: »

I want to you to answer the question, on how the murder of two boys in Warrington help defend Nationalists in the north.

If you just say, it did nothing to defend Nationalists in the north, it would be a good first step of growth for you. Do you agree with me on this statement?

Why Mark?

Why are you still using selective and emotive victims to win an argument that is over. Over 3000 people died from all sides, of all ages.

It's not something I am going to engage in, it nauseates me to do that with any individual victims.

I don't need to 'grow', I have a fully acceptable (to me) view of why the conflict/war happened, what caused it and could cause it again.
I understand why it happened, who and what was primarily responsible for it and I understand that everyone has some responsibility for it happening and for it happening again.

Have you achieved that level of 'growth' as you parade another set of victims for likes and emotive responses? I don't think you have.

markodaly wrote: »

Because you have a history of trying to justify the atrocities carried out but PIRA.
"Turning defence into attack" being the latest excuse of yours, when pushed on this question early.

That was an unequivocal defence and justification of the Warrington bombing, and I have given you every opportunity to disavow that earlier statement and correct it and grow from it.

However, the simple fact is, is that you cannot even admit the obvious, that the murder of 3-year-old Johnathan Ball and 12-year-old Tim Parry did absolutely nothing to defend nationalists in the North.

The fact you cannot type those words, but happy to go off on a 'what about' tangent or give a glib 'it was all wrong but' response says it all.

You just cannot get past it can you Mark?

None of what happened in the conflict/war was justified and all of the violence was wrong, right from the start.

If you accept that, you never have to engage in vulgar, disrespectful victim exploitation again.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ya know SF are doing a fine job when the only form of attack is The IRA

They’re not doing any job though, the only thing they’ve done from a political perspective recently is try to have a racist homophobe elected as mayor of south Dublin county council.

What ‘job’ are they doing otherwise?
Well other than sitting back and complaining about absolutely everything that other parties do.

The party of all the answers but none of the solutions

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

They’re not doing any job though, the only thing they’ve done from a political perspective recently is try to have a racist homophobe elected as mayor of south Dublin county council.

What ‘job’ are they doing otherwise?
Well other than sitting back and complaining about absolutely everything that other parties do.

The party of all the answers but none of the solutions

You also forgot making complete and utter fools of themselves by wanting to spend the money from Apple that was held in escrow.

Imagine how stupid we would look now if we did that.