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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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jm08

markodaly wrote: »

And literally the next post, trying to justify the murder of two boys.

If you just said something in the following that the murder of two young boys in Warrington did nothing to defend Nationalists in the North then we would agree, but you again appear to defend murder and violence because some sociopaths in the IRA had a particular point of view.

See, I am not asking why you think the PIRA did it, I am asking YOU the question and seeing that you continuously fail to stop justifying the murder, then I am of the opinion that you agree with it, as part of the overall war effort.

You are right it didn't do any good for NI nationalists and the Provos and they were used extensively by the British State/media in a propaganda war, just like you are using them now.

No one has even tried to justified their deaths, so why do you keep asking people here to do so?

Pkiernan

If SF aren't still pro IRA, why won't the SF TDs tell what they know about the pedo rapists in the IRA?

Shinnbots never answer that question.

[Deleted User]

Pkiernan wrote: »

If SF aren't still pro IRA, why won't the SF TDs tell what they know about the pedo rapists in the IRA?

Shinnbots never answer that question.

How can there be pedo rapists still in the ira....it deosnt exist :pac:

Adam9213

Pkiernan wrote: »

If SF aren't still pro IRA, why won't the SF TDs tell what they know about the pedo rapists in the IRA?

Shinnbots never answer that question.

Well the IRA is gone and they have always claimed they supported it so I don't know what your point is?

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

And literally the next post, trying to justify the murder of two boys.

You asked a question...I gave you the answer.

I didn't plant the bomb, I am not responsible for the boys death. I GAVE you the thinking of the IRA at the time. Take it or leave it.

If you just said something in the following that the murder of two young boys in Warrington did nothing to defend Nationalists in the North then we would agree, but you again appear to defend murder and violence because some sociopaths in the IRA had a particular point of view.

See, I am not asking why you think the PIRA did it, I am asking YOU the question and seeing that you continuously fail to stop justifying the murder, then I am of the opinion that you agree with it, as part of the overall war effort.

I have said it WAS ALL WRONG. What the hell more do you need to know, to work out whether I justify it or not?

This is exactly why selective exploitation of victims will get nobody anywhere.

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

Its almost as if the government is in crisis and needs a distraction??

Expecting paul quinn(who ffg excluded getting justice for,from.the programme for government) to be wheeled out about 5 or 6pm :rolleyes:

Paul Williams heading up with the Indo cheque book?

Truthvader

Just read the last few pages. Its like an endless train ride through Gerry Adams' twisted booby trapped mind; full of dead ends, double meanings, lies, denials, equivocations, justifications, whataboutery, falsehoods, unspoken understandings and spiritual bankruptcy. As they are called out on each lie three more new ones spring into its place.

Give up. These people are not amenable to normal discourse because at their very core they are absolutely convinced that killing another person to get what you want is OK.

All that can be done is for decent people to ensure that they are excluded from power forever and to steadfastly point out the backsliding and lies as and when they crop up. There will never be any contrition, realisation or concession to any normal standards of behaviour

blanch152

Truthvader wrote: »

Just read the last few pages. Its like an endless train ride through Gerry Adams' twisted booby trapped mind; full of dead ends, double meanings, lies, denials, equivocations, justifications, whataboutery, falsehoods, unspoken understandings and spiritual bankruptcy. As they are called out on each lie three more new ones spring into its place.

Give up. These people are not amenable to normal discourse because at their very core they are absolutely convinced that killing another person to get what you want is OK.

All that can be done is for decent people to ensure that they are excluded from power forever and to steadfastly point out the backsliding and lies as and when they crop up. There will never be any contrition, realisation or concession to any normal standards of behaviour

Yes, it seems that some people believe killing retired part-time members of the reserves was a vital necessity to achieve "Irish freedom", whatever that means in a multi-cultural, multi-denominational, movable modern world.

Adam9213

Truthvader wrote: »

Just read the last few pages. Its like an endless train ride through Gerry Adams' twisted booby trapped mind; full of dead ends, double meanings, lies, denials, equivocations, justifications, whataboutery, falsehoods, unspoken understandings and spiritual bankruptcy. As they are called out on each lie three more new ones spring into its place.

Give up. These people are not amenable to normal discourse because at their very core they are absolutely convinced that killing another person to get what you want is OK.

All that can be done is for decent people to ensure that they are excluded from power forever and to steadfastly point out the backsliding and lies as and when they crop up. There will never be any contrition, realisation or concession to any normal standards of behaviour

You can only expect normal standards of behaviour from normal societies and normal situations.

Expecting normal behaviour in the most militarized zone on the planet in a politically unstable state that is disputed territory claimed by two governments is bizarre.

That's where I think you can't understand because you're comparing it to a normal society which it wasn't at all.

Adam9213

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, it seems that some people believe killing retired part-time members of the reserves was a vital necessity to achieve "Irish freedom", whatever that means in a multi-cultural, multi-denominational, movable modern world.

It seems most people would believe that as the Old IRA done the exact same thing

In May, 1921, the I.R.A killed a 70 year old ex-soldiers called Mick Sullivan near Rathmore, Co. Kerry and used his body to lure Crown Forces into the area.

DMP constable Michael McCarthy was shot in Cork on April 22nd. He died on April 24th at Cork military hospital. McCarthy was off duty and at home on leave working in a field when two men approached him. They produced guns. Shot him and ran off.

RIC sergeant was shot Patrick Carroll was shot dead while leaving church after Mass at Kilmilhill, County Clare.

There's no such this as an off duty soldier.

Truthvader

Adam9213 wrote: »

You can only expect normal standards of behaviour from normal societies and normal situations.

Expecting normal behaviour in the most militarized zone on the planet in a politically unstable state that is disputed territory claimed by two governments is bizarre.

That's where I think you can't understand because you're comparing it to a normal society which it wasn't at all.

Nope, not good enough. People the world over suffer injustices abnormal societies and disappointments. The vast majority do not choose murder

Adam9213

Truthvader wrote: »

Nope, not good enough. People the world over suffer injustices abnormal societies and disappointments. The vast majority do not choose murder

Like what countries are you referring to? just curious.

Of course the vast majority of people don't commit murder what is your point? Obviously the majority of people in any war in any country don't commit murder why are you just stating the obvious?

Truthvader

Adam9213 wrote: »

Like what countries are you referring to? just curious.

Of course the vast majority of people don't commit murder what is your point? Obviously the majority of people in any war in any country don't commit murder why are you just stating the obvious?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo. You choose one

Truthvader

Deleted User wrote: »

Ya....these are real bastions of peace with no killings alright :pac:

Didnt the yanks,end up negociating with the taliban after a protracted civil war.....

If with all resources yanks can throw at a war,they couldnt defeat an guerilla campaign.....what makes people think the brits were on brink of outright victory in the 6 counties??

The vast majority even in those places way more abnormal than NI did not resort to murder. Some did as in NI. Its not OK

[Deleted User]

Truthvader wrote: »

The vast majority even in those places way more abnormal than NI did not resort to murder. Some did as in NI. Its not OK

Mate....your citing afganistan and iraq as bastions of peace ,where people put up with oppression and dont resort to defending emselves

What next isreal/palastine as an example of how community relations should be :pac: or johhny depp/amber heard as an example of healthy mature relationship

Truthvader

Deleted User wrote: »

Mate....your citing afganistan and iraq as bastions of peace ,where people put up with oppression and dont resort to defending emselves

What next isreal/palastine as an example of how community relations should be :pac: or johhny depp/amber heard as an example of healthy mature relationship

"Mate....your citing afganistan and iraq as bastions of peace"

Eh no. I am doing precisely the opposite. Try to concentrate

Adam9213

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate....your citing afganistan and iraq as bastions of peace ,where people put up with oppression and dont resort to defending emselves

What next isreal/palastine as an example of how community relations should be :pac: or johhny depp/amber heard as an example of healthy mature relationship

I don't know what he's on about to be honest, anyone who reads them last few posts I don't think you will either.

cyllyn28

Truthvader wrote: »

The vast majority even in those places way more abnormal than NI did not resort to murder. Some did as in NI. Its not OK

"Abnormal"....You mean, there wasn't a class of collaborators, who got big farms, and monopolies on the professions, and civil service...For hanging Afghan people and burning their homes ...like they did in Skibereen....The Brit has one plan, and only ever one plan...And that is to cultivate some morals free local conservatives...to betray their nation, to put those they have betrayed on the spit, and turn them, for their British overlords.....The Taliban won't fall for the same tricks that fooled the Irish....And reduced the majority of Irish people to enslavement and poverty...The Taliban won't fall for these tricks, the installation of a west British government in Afghanistan....They'd rather die, than become like Ireland....where the majority of people are milked like cattle, by "gentlemen" farmers of men.

Truthvader

cyllyn28 wrote: »

"Abnormal"....You mean, there wasn't a class of collaborators, who got big farms, and monopolies on the professions, and civil service...For hanging Afghan people and burning their homes ...like they did in Skibereen....The Brit has one plan, and only ever one plan...And that is to cultivate some morals free local conservatives...to betray their nation, to put those they have betrayed on the spit, and turn them, for their British overlords.....The Taliban won't fall for the same tricks that fooled the Irish....And reduced the majority of Irish people to enslavement and poverty...The Taliban won't fall for these tricks, the installation of a west British government in Afghanistan....They'd rather die, than become like Ireland....where the majority of people are milked like cattle, by "gentlemen" farmers of men.

That is really fabulous stuff. Balanced, nuanced, well researched and presented with a degree of equinamity not often encountered on these pages.

Edgware

cyllyn28 wrote: »

"Abnormal"....You mean, there wasn't a class of collaborators, who got big farms, and monopolies on the professions, and civil service...For hanging Afghan people and burning their homes ...like they did in Skibereen....The Brit has one plan, and only ever one plan...And that is to cultivate some morals free local conservatives...to betray their nation, to put those they have betrayed on the spit, and turn them, for their British overlords.....The Taliban won't fall for the same tricks that fooled the Irish....And reduced the majority of Irish people to enslavement and poverty...The Taliban won't fall for these tricks, the installation of a west British government in Afghanistan....They'd rather die, than become like Ireland....where the majority of people are milked like cattle, by "gentlemen" farmers of men.

😶😯😯

cyllyn28

Truthvader wrote: »

That is really fabulous stuff. Balanced, nuanced, well researched and presented with a degree of equinamity not often encountered on these pages.

As a great man once said...If the cap fits, wear it.

Notice how quite the Pharisees who moderate the thread have gone.....The "managers" are exchanging messages among themselves.....on how best to crucify an Irishman who tells the truth......

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have said it WAS ALL WRONG. What the hell more do you need to know, to work out whether I justify it or not?

I want to you to answer the question, on how the murder of two boys in Warrington help defend Nationalists in the north.

If you just say, it did nothing to defend Nationalists in the north, it would be a good first step of growth for you. Do you agree with me on this statement?

dundalkfc10

Ya know SF are doing a fine job when the only form of attack is The IRA

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

I want to you to answer the question, on how the murder of two boys in Warrington help defend Nationalists in the north.

If you just say, it did nothing to defend Nationalists in the north, it would be a good first step of growth for you. Do you agree with me on this statement?

Why Mark?

Why are you still using selective and emotive victims to win an argument that is over. Over 3000 people died from all sides, of all ages.

It's not something I am going to engage in, it nauseates me to do that with any individual victims.

I don't need to 'grow', I have a fully acceptable (to me) view of why the conflict/war happened, what caused it and could cause it again.
I understand why it happened, who and what was primarily responsible for it and I understand that everyone has some responsibility for it happening and for it happening again.

Have you achieved that level of 'growth' as you parade another set of victims for likes and emotive responses? I don't think you have.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why Mark?

Because you have a history of trying to justify the atrocities carried out but PIRA.
"Turning defence into attack" being the latest excuse of yours, when pushed on this question early.

That was an unequivocal defence and justification of the Warrington bombing, and I have given you every opportunity to disavow that earlier statement and correct it and grow from it.

However, the simple fact is, is that you cannot even admit the obvious, that the murder of 3-year-old Johnathan Ball and 12-year-old Tim Parry did absolutely nothing to defend nationalists in the North.

The fact you cannot type those words, but happy to go off on a 'what about' tangent or give a glib 'it was all wrong but' response says it all.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Because you have a history of trying to justify the atrocities carried out but PIRA.
"Turning defence into attack" being the latest excuse of yours, when pushed on this question early.

That was an unequivocal defence and justification of the Warrington bombing, and I have given you every opportunity to disavow that earlier statement and correct it and grow from it.

However, the simple fact is, is that you cannot even admit the obvious, that the murder of 3-year-old Johnathan Ball and 12-year-old Tim Parry did absolutely nothing to defend nationalists in the North.

The fact you cannot type those words, but happy to go off on a 'what about' tangent or give a glib 'it was all wrong but' response says it all.

You just cannot get past it can you Mark?

None of what happened in the conflict/war was justified and all of the violence was wrong, right from the start.

If you accept that, you never have to engage in vulgar, disrespectful victim exploitation again.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

None of what happened in the conflict/war was justified and all of the violence was wrong, right from the start.

So, in essence you agree that the murder of a 3-year-old toddler and 12-year-old boy did nothing to defend Nationalists in the North.

Poor_old_gill

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ya know SF are doing a fine job when the only form of attack is The IRA

They’re not doing any job though, the only thing they’ve done from a political perspective recently is try to have a racist homophobe elected as mayor of south Dublin county council.

What ‘job’ are they doing otherwise?
Well other than sitting back and complaining about absolutely everything that other parties do.

The party of all the answers but none of the solutions

dundalkfc10

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

They’re not doing any job though, the only thing they’ve done from a political perspective recently is try to have a racist homophobe elected as mayor of south Dublin county council.

What ‘job’ are they doing otherwise?
Well other than sitting back and complaining about absolutely everything that other parties do.

The party of all the answers but none of the solutions

Awh you OK?

While the FFG merger and Greens in Govt are a shambles and were not even 3 weeks in. MM with the biggest U turn in a few hours seen since his mate done one at a Garai checkpoint.
LV thinking he's in charge, telling us no reason phase 4 won't go ahead, less than 24 hours later, phase 4 will now not go ahead.
Eamonn Ryan less than 8 hours after voting against Cowen asw Qs in the Dáil says he has serious Qs to answer.

Then you come on here and it's IRA this, IRA that and many of the posters defending everything FFG have went quiet on other threads

christy c

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

They’re not doing any job though, the only thing they’ve done from a political perspective recently is try to have a racist homophobe elected as mayor of south Dublin county council.

What ‘job’ are they doing otherwise?
Well other than sitting back and complaining about absolutely everything that other parties do.

The party of all the answers but none of the solutions

You also forgot making complete and utter fools of themselves by wanting to spend the money from Apple that was held in escrow.

Imagine how stupid we would look now if we did that.