Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 14-07-2020 08:05PM

Maybe now Martin will focus on COVID issues

Gruffalux · 14-07-2020 08:05PM

This pub and club talk mystifies me. Is superspreader event not the up to the minute science on Covid? It even has a bit in wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superspreader#COVID-19_outbreak_2020 1 guy there infected 500.

Like why do that?

Sam Russell · 14-07-2020 08:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

If you don't open nightclubs you will just flood the bars with late licences.

Of course, if the pubs had to close at 10:30 pm, then the problem is reduced.

Se how that works for 3 weeks, then reassess.

Boggles · 14-07-2020 08:15PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Of course, if the pubs had to close at 10:30 pm, then the problem is reduced.

Se how that works for 3 weeks, then reassess.

I imagine if the pubs close at 10:30, you'll have Michaels Martins greatest fear more "house parties".

Maybe let them all open, but put the price of a pint at 20 quid.

ACitizenErased · 14-07-2020 08:18PM

There’s no way nightclubs will be reopening, it’d be suicide for the country

bb1234567 · 14-07-2020 08:19PM

Onesea wrote: »

He's one in a million.The preverbial is going to hit the fan when the facts are slowly released reg this virus.

God there's some hysterical people on this thread but you really are the other extreme. What facts? You think it doesn't affect young people at all? What about the 23,000 Brazilians under 60 who have died? You think 23,000 Brazilians in their 40's and 50's die from 'flu' annually?
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/22/in-brazil-covid-19-hitting-young-people-harder.html

In Mexico the average age of COVID deaths is just 60, and only 52% of victims had underlying health conditions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/06/24/important-facts-about-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-mexico-city/#5da875a36c1c

In India, 50% of COVID victims who died were under 60, and 43% had no underlying health conditions.
https://theprint.in/health/43-of-covid-patients-in-india-who-died-had-no-comorbidities-govt-analysis/453687/

If COVID spread across Europe lots of younger people would die. The deaths in Europe currently have been mostly elderly because community spread has been relatively limited while it was concentrated in nursing homes, once a virus gets in a nursing home generally everyone in the home gets it. So not only were this group incredibly vulnerable to the dying from the virus they were also much more likely than the average person to catch it in the first place.

I seriously cannot believe we have bull**** like this being posted that it doesn't affect people who aren't old when literally hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people in the developing world have died from COVID

Sam Russell · 14-07-2020 08:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine if the pubs close at 10:30, you'll have Michaels Martins greatest fear more "house parties".

Maybe let them all open, but put the price of a pint at 20 quid.

It's the cheap alcohol in supermarkets that gives rise to house parties. Make it 20 quid a pint there and you might stop the house parties.

LiquidZeb · 14-07-2020 08:22PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

It's the cheap alcohol in supermarkets that gives rise to house parties. Make it 20 quid a pint there and you might stop the house parties.

Why not just put ricin in the beer altogether. Jesus this thread gathers nutters and curtain twitchers like it's fly paper

LiquidZeb · 14-07-2020 08:25PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

God there's some hysterical people on this thread but you really are the other extreme. What facts? You think it doesn't affect young people at all? What about the 23,000 Brazilians under 60 who have died? You think 23,000 Brazilians in their 40's and 50's die from 'flu' annually?
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/22/in-brazil-covid-19-hitting-young-people-harder.html

In Mexico the average age of COVID deaths is just 60, and only 52% of victims had underlying health conditions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/06/24/important-facts-about-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-mexico-city/#5da875a36c1c

In India, 50% of COVID victims who died were under 60, and 43% had no underlying health conditions.
https://theprint.in/health/43-of-covid-patients-in-india-who-died-had-no-comorbidities-govt-analysis/453687/

If COVID spread across Europe lots of younger people would die. The deaths in Europe currently have been mostly elderly because community spread has been relatively limited while it was concentrated in nursing homes, once a virus gets in a nursing home generally everyone in the home gets it. So not only were this group incredibly vulnerable to the dying from the virus they were also much more likely than the average person to catch it in the first place.

I seriously cannot believe we have bull**** like this being posted that it doesn't affect people who aren't old when literally hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people in the developing world have died from COVID

I'm not trying to downplay what you're saying or to make light of those who died but the health of the average Brazilian or Indian in their 40's and 50's is incomparable to their Irish counterparts. A lifetime spent in a shantytown or slum would age anyone 20 years in advance

Pentecost · 14-07-2020 08:27PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Why not just put ricin in the beer altogether. Jesus this thread gathers nutters and curtain twitchers like it's fly paper

Might improve the Budweiser.

FintanMcluskey · 14-07-2020 08:27PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Why not just put ricin in the beer altogether. Jesus this thread gathers nutters and curtain twitchers like it's fly paper

Haha got a good laugh at this.

Seriously though, I feel sorry for those under 25 having to spend the next 10 years being judged for enjoying themselves in close proximity to others. Covid isnt the biggest issue, loola's are

FintanMcluskey · 14-07-2020 08:29PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

God there's some hysterical people on this thread but you really are the other extreme. What facts? You think it doesn't affect young people at all? What about the 23,000 Brazilians under 60 who have died? You think 23,000 Brazilians in their 40's and 50's die from 'flu' annually?
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/22/in-brazil-covid-19-hitting-young-people-harder.html

In Mexico the average age of COVID deaths is just 60, and only 52% of victims had underlying health conditions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2020/06/24/important-facts-about-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-mexico-city/#5da875a36c1c

In India, 50% of COVID victims who died were under 60, and 43% had no underlying health conditions.
https://theprint.in/health/43-of-covid-patients-in-india-who-died-had-no-comorbidities-govt-analysis/453687/

If COVID spread across Europe lots of younger people would die. The deaths in Europe currently have been mostly elderly because community spread has been relatively limited while it was concentrated in nursing homes, once a virus gets in a nursing home generally everyone in the home gets it. So not only were this group incredibly vulnerable to the dying from the virus they were also much more likely than the average person to catch it in the first place.

I seriously cannot believe we have bull**** like this being posted that it doesn't affect people who aren't old when literally hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people in the developing world have died from COVID

To summarise Covid isnt particularly dangerous to those under 70 in the developed world.

LiquidZeb · 14-07-2020 08:30PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Haha got a good laugh at this.

Seriously though, I feel sorry for those under 25 having to spend the next 10 years being judged for enjoying themselves in close proximity to others. Covid isnt the biggest issue, loola's are

Vaccines are looking promising so here's to party time summer 2021. I know I'll drink beer like barley contains covid vaccine.

bb1234567 · 14-07-2020 08:31PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'm not trying to downplay what you're saying or to make light of those who died but the health of the average Brazilian or Indian in their 40's and 50's is incomparable to their Irish counterparts. A lifetime spent in a shantytown or slum would age anyone 20 years in advance

Yeh, I'm sure it is a very large factor but still, it means the statement regularly bandied about that it is of no danger to young people is completely false. It is,as as we can see from those sources it has killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people worldwide. Perhaps the statement 'it is not a pressing health matter for the young and healthy of the developed world', may be quite valid, but just that it is of no concern to young people anywhere is absolutely wrong, I would imagine COVID is the leading cause of death of people under 60 worldwide currently.

Assetbacked · 14-07-2020 08:37PM

Is WhatsApp down for everyone? Mine just stopped connecting the last few minutes.

Assetbacked · 14-07-2020 08:38PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yeh, I'm sure it is a very large factor but still, it means the statement regularly bandied about that it is of no danger to young people is completely false. It is,as as we can see from those sources it has killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people worldwide. Perhaps the statement 'it is not a pressing health matter for the young and healthy of the developed world', may be quite valid, but just that it is of no concern to young people anywhere is absolutely wrong, I would imagine COVID is the leading cause of death of people under 60 worldwide currently.

But it's not "completely" false. Median age of cases is 48 and median age of deaths is 83 in Ireland, and we count deaths "with" covid which doesn't even mean "because of" covid.

Santy2015 · 14-07-2020 08:38PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Is WhatsApp down for everyone? Mine just stopped connecting the last few minutes.

Yeah been down the last half hour for me as well

caveat emptor · 14-07-2020 08:38PM

Another study pointing to covid being ‘stable’ in air for up to 16hours. Ventilation very important in any back to school / pub / club / cottage.
https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1283066221366312961?s=21

Drumpot · 14-07-2020 08:46PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Another study pointing to covid being ‘stable’ in air for up to 16hours. Ventilation very important in any back to school / pub / club / cottage.
https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1283066221366312961?s=21

Id swear I saw something like that months ago. Is it only becoming accepted consensus now?

I get more and more cynical of the mixed messages from the authorities. I really think they don’t know how to balance science facts with ways of getting things back to normal. Basically They flip flop on science as it suits the narrative they want to push.

Virus bad indoors, especially in close proximity with strangers or other people. But schools or planes or airports are grand cause the virus understands we need these infrastructures to carry on... Followed by something like “it’s science” or “it’s proven in some ambiguous non peer reviewed study that I won’t go into”.

JP Liz V1 · 14-07-2020 08:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There’s no way nightclubs will be reopening, it’d be suicide for the country

The shift if lucky at the chippers now :P

Late pubs also probably wont be operating

KrustyUCC · 14-07-2020 08:51PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

It's the cheap alcohol in supermarkets that gives rise to house parties. Make it 20 quid a pint there and you might stop the house parties.

Where is this cheap alcohol?

Alcohol is irish shops is amongst the most expensive in Europe

MickeyLeari · 14-07-2020 08:53PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Where is this cheap alcohol?

Alcohol is irish shops is amongst the most expensive in Europe

Well said. We really are becoming a horrible country or perhaps we are now only showing our true colours.

LiquidZeb · 14-07-2020 08:56PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Where is this cheap alcohol?

Alcohol is irish shops is amongst the most expensive in Europe

I guess beer should become a luxury reserved only for the elite in that posters mind. St James' Gate Brewery will become the new Monaco, a playground for the super rich.

expectationlost · 14-07-2020 09:00PM

1 guy on #rtept is coming from US to meet his girlfriend coming from France!

LiquidZeb · 14-07-2020 09:01PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yeh, I'm sure it is a very large factor but still, it means the statement regularly bandied about that it is of no danger to young people is completely false. It is,as as we can see from those sources it has killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of middle aged or younger people worldwide. Perhaps the statement 'it is not a pressing health matter for the young and healthy of the developed world', may be quite valid, but just that it is of no concern to young people anywhere is absolutely wrong, I would imagine COVID is the leading cause of death of people under 60 worldwide currently.

Oh no I agree with you 100% I'm young and with no medical conditions myself and I'd still rather not roll those dice if I can help it.

JP Liz V1 · 14-07-2020 09:02PM

There is more than alcohol at parties

Itssoeasy · 14-07-2020 09:05PM

Has there been talk that the pubs reopening is going to be delayed or is Matt Cooper like a lot of the media focusing on the 32 cases while not talking about the increase in no of tests vs the low positivity rate ? Or would that be too nuanced. And no I don’t care if the pubs reopen on Monday and I’ll be waiting before I go back into my local.

Van.Bosch · 14-07-2020 09:06PM

expectationlost wrote: »

1 guy on #rtept is coming from US to meet his girlfriend coming from France!

Saw that - absolute nuts. Quarantining here for 2 weeks then going to France!

What Username Guidelines · 14-07-2020 09:18PM

Have we not danced this dance before, every 3 weeks? Few days to go, NPHET get “concerned” and ministers start leaking rubbish to press as a kite flying exercise?

Although I’m of the opinion that nightclubs can stay closed until we’re a little more in the clear and have given our testing a proper stress test. We’ve almost the whole country opened and enough people acting sensibly enough to keep cases low, let’s see what happens with pubs.

Santy2015 · 14-07-2020 09:20PM

This thread is excellent. Always find him to be very accurate
https://twitter.com/care2much18/status/1283128640348266496?s=21

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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