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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Why the hell do they need that many cars???

    Yeah I can kind of understand 2rn's need for vehicles but "which comprises 60 corporate vehicles"

    60 corporate vehicles!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why dont they just use leaseplan?

    It's 1.8 m over 3 years for 102 vehicles

    That's 5,882 per vehicle per car per year.

    Question still remains 60 corporate cars. 60.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Why the hell do they need that many cars???
    RTE believe that they are untouchable and so will do whatever they want.
    How many licenses does it take to pay for those "60 corporate vehicles and 42 mainly four-wheel-drive vehicles" (from the link)?

    It is also seeking an extra €55m a year from the Government to plug the hole in its finances, having recorded a deficit of €13m in 2018 - its fourth year in a row in the red. (Also from the link).

    RTE = one huge money hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Average car has a good life span of 8 years with needing minimal servicing - so why is it costing nearly 600k a year
    Why does 2rn need 31 Mitsubishi Pajero's? What's wrong with bog standard vans - assume they are not chauffering people around and just used for engineering works


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Average car has a good life span of 8 years with needing minimal servicing - so why is it costing nearly 600k a year
    Why does 2rn need 31 Mitsubishi Pajero's? What's wrong with bog standard vans - assume they are not chauffering people around and just used for engineering works

    I think RTÉ are run like the civil service. Every division gets money to spend an it must be spent by the end of they otherwise its return back to main funding.

    So you find that divisions will look for ways to spend money unnecessarily because their vote might be reduce next year. Rather than looking at what saving were made by a particular division, the financial division looks accross all divisions and if any of them have not spend all of their vote the following year that vote is decrease by the amount that the failed to spend.

    So rather then looking at how one division made saving and heaping praise on them for a job well done and saying to all other divisions "that by examining the saving made in division A we have now decided that these sames savings can be made across almost all other divisions with a few exceptions".

    Instead they ask you were given x amount and didn't spend 1m of it, what are you doing, make sure you spend all of your funding.

    So in the same way RTÉ have 102 vehicles and rather then asking do we really need 60 corporate cars, they say we've always had 60 corporate cars we must continue with this policy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Elmo wrote: »
    I think RTÉ are run like the civil service. Every division gets money to spend an it must be spent by the end of they otherwise its return back to main funding.

    So you find that divisions will look for ways to spend money unnecessarily because their vote might be reduce next year. Rather than looking at what saving were made by a particular division, the financial division looks accross all divisions and if any of them have not spend all of their vote the following year that vote is decrease by the amount that the failed to spend.

    So rather then looking at how one division made saving and heaping praise on them for a job well done and saying to all other divisions "that by examining the saving made in division A we have now decided that these sames savings can be made across almost all other divisions with a few exceptions".

    Instead they ask you were given x amount and didn't spend 1m of it, what are you doing, make sure you spend all of your funding.

    So in the same way RTÉ have 102 vehicles and rather then asking do we really need 60 corporate cars, they say we've always had 60 corporate cars we must continue with this policy.


    This is how RTE is run, spend it or next year you wont get it. So if you get a budget of 100k then spend it because if you only spend 80k then next year you will only get 80k


    This is where the mighty Dee Forbes is supposed to come in and drive cost savings across the business. So instead of giving incentives to the people to spend all the budget, give them incentives to save money.


    This will never happen unless the government cuts them off, it is all to easy to walk up the road and get a couple of million with some BS excuse and waddle off back down with the pockets full.....


    RTE doesn't need 102 vehicles. It would be interesting to see what is the exact purpose of those cars? what is the usage of the cars every year for business. Its not like they are out driving the countryside making TV shows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,180 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I hope it turns out that one of those corporate cars is a big filthy Merc/BMW, and its given to Dee, while she still gets a €30,000 annual car allowance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,982 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Mr. Karate wrote: »

    Hardly seeing as it hasn't happened yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Mr. Karate wrote: »

    It's hardly relevant. 500 people in Croke Park because of social distancing... it's kind of irrelevant.

    There's probably more staff employed to maintain Croke Park than will be on the pitch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Rte launching a new show called 'Boost my business'...

    Taking advice from RTE (a failing entity) on how to make your own company not fail has to be like taking advice on Abstinence from Bristol Palin.

    It's joke... unless Dee Forbes is the first guest.

    https://about.rte.ie/2020/07/06/new-rte-series-open-for-business-to-guide-and-inform-the-business-community-consumers-as-the-country-emerges-from-lockdown-is-announced/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Rte launching a new show called 'Boost my business'...

    Taking advice from RTE (a failing entity) on how to make your own company not fail has to be like taking advice on Abstinence from Bristol Palin.

    It's joke... unless Dee Forbes is the first guest.

    https://about.rte.ie/2020/07/06/new-rte-series-open-for-business-to-guide-and-inform-the-business-community-consumers-as-the-country-emerges-from-lockdown-is-announced/

    Reminds me of How to be Good With Money - dumb program telling people if you want to have a nest egg you need to save money - well d'oh - and other useless tidbits of financial advice. Always thought the Eoin guy was a condescending twat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Reminds me of How to be Good With Money - dumb program telling people if you want to have a nest egg you need to save money - well d'oh - and other useless tidbits of financial advice. Always thought the Eoin guy was a condescending twat

    Plus you can gather that many of those they 'vet' before bringing them on the show are total idiots.

    I'm an idiot when it comes to saving money, but even those shows make me feel smart.

    Maybe that's why RTE commission them?

    (And yeah... that Eoin guy. HE reminds of the worst of John McGuire and Eddie Hobbs).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Reminds me of How to be Good With Money - dumb program telling people if you want to have a nest egg you need to save money - well d'oh - and other useless tidbits of financial advice. Always thought the Eoin guy was a condescending twat

    I liked him, better than half the sh*t on rte


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,593 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    On the cars thing wtf do they need and articulated tractor for? Is that just for mowing the lawns in Donnybrook?

    I would have thought way less cars and far more vans or pickups would be required tbh. Carting all the gear around would be the main use, no?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    On the cars thing wtf do they need and articulated tractor for? Is that just for mowing the lawns in Donnybrook?

    I would have thought way less cars and far more vans or pickups would be required tbh. Carting all the gear around would be the main use, no?


    You cant expect RTE staff to drive in vans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    da_miser wrote: »
    Another RTE alt account.
    Anyone with a leaving cert could be a RTE presenter on 40k a year and still stealing a living

    actually, they couldn't, at least if rte actually made an effort to insure the presenters they picked were good all of the time, rather then having the odd few.
    PieOhMy wrote: »

    yes, they are refusing to advertise a competitor.
    not seeing the problem.
    bigroad wrote: »
    Sure what do they need advertising for as Dee will go crying to the government cap in hand for another bailout.
    If they were to hire a few kids studying accounts in secondary school ,Rte would have no financial problems.
    Its quiet obvious senior management are not fit for purpose and should be let go if they cannot meet their targets.

    no i suspect they would be bankrupt altogether.
    kids in secondary school studying accounts are not qualified accountants.
    Mr. Karate wrote: »

    because it has not happened, it's ultimately irrelevant, most don't actually care quite rightly.
    they reported it on the website, that should be enough for the few who really really care so much about it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    GMSA wrote: »

    fleets need updating as older vehicles come to the end of their lives.
    fritzelly wrote: »
    Why the hell do they need that many cars???


    generally for engineers, technitions, reporters etc.
    people who have to travel around the country with their work as part of rte, for which the cars may require special equipment, or the ability to carry relevant equipment.
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why dont they just use leaseplan?

    perhapse the costs vs outright ownership didn't work in favour of it.
    fritzelly wrote: »
    Average car has a good life span of 8 years with needing minimal servicing - so why is it costing nearly 600k a year
    Why does 2rn need 31 Mitsubishi Pajero's? What's wrong with bog standard vans - assume they are not chauffering people around and just used for engineering works

    bog standard vans wouldn't be suitable for the work they do.
    they need such a vehicle or similar that they are getting as they may have to go up on the mountain sites in all sorts of conditions.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    It's hardly relevant. 500 people in Croke Park because of social distancing... it's kind of irrelevant.

    There's probably more staff employed to maintain Croke Park than will be on the pitch.

    They haven't following the procedures in the rest of Europe so its willfully ignorant that they'll follow them here. And its not like the Gardai will do anything to them.

    Besides if the Govt and Media give you a figure you can be damn sure its double or triple what they told you.

    Plus EID involves the slaughtering of animals [They slit the animals throats and let them slowly bleed out] Remember that if the Govt and Media are crying about someone having 1 pint too many or daring not to follow any of their other rules.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    They haven't following the procedures in the rest of Europe so its willfully ignorant that they'll follow them here. And its not like the Gardai will do anything to them.

    Besides if the Govt and Media give you a figure you can be damn sure its double or triple what they told you.

    Plus EID involves the slaughtering of animals [They slit the animals throats and let them slowly bleed out] Remember that if the Govt and Media are crying about someone having 1 pint too many or daring not to follow any of their other rules.




    yes, they slaughter animals the way our grand parents did it.
    no, it's not nice at all but something tells me the only reason it outrages you is because it's muslims doing it.
    by the way, some not following the rules, indeed if they are breaking any rules, is not an excuse for others not to follow rules that definitely exist.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    yes, they slaughter animals the way our grand parents did it.
    no, it's not nice at all but something tells me the only reason it outrages you is because it's muslims doing it.
    by the way, some not following the rules, indeed if they are breaking any rules, is not an excuse for others not to follow rules that definitely exist.

    Got to love the cowardice. Leftists are celebrating how progressive they are on one hand while celebrating a backwards and outdated practice on the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Got to love the cowardice. Leftists are celebrating how progressive they are on one hand while celebrating a backwards and outdated practice on the other.




    has nothing to do with what i stated, but anyway.
    i am certainly not celebrating anything, i have no time for religion.
    however people have a right to believe in a religion an practice, within reason, customs that go with the religion, unless the customs are a breach of the law.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    has nothing to do with what i stated, but anyway.
    i am certainly not celebrating anything, i have no time for religion.
    however people have a right to believe in a religion an practice, within reason, customs that go with the religion, unless the customs are a breach of the law.

    Kind of ironic that the people who want religion banned from the public sphere have no problem with a certain group practicing there's publicly.

    I guarantee all the "Its no big deal" Lefties would be having a fit if a Church wanted hold a rosary service in Croke Park instead of letting this group slaughter animals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Kind of ironic that the people who want religion banned from the public sphere have no problem with a certain group practicing there's publicly.

    I guarantee all the "Its no big deal" Lefties would be having a fit if a Church wanted hold a rosary service in Croke Park instead of letting this group slaughter animals.

    Firstly, what you're arguing is irrelevant to this thread, it's more suited for somewhere else.

    It's got nothing really to do with RTE.

    Secondly, there will be no animal sacrifices in Croke Park-maybe stop reading the Liberal (dot) ie.
    (God, I hate using The Journal(dot) ie... but they fact checked this, at least).

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eid-al-adha-croke-park-factcheck-5150881-Jul2020/

    As for religious celebrations... many faiths spoke at commemoration event for lives lost during war was last Sunday.
    Nobody had an issue with it.

    Time to move back on to the topic at hand. Denouncing RTE and their wasting funding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,982 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Firstly, what you're arguing is irrelevant to this thread, it's more suited for somewhere else.

    It's got nothing really to do with RTE.

    Secondly, there will be no animal sacrifices in Croke Park-maybe stop reading the Liberal (dot) ie.
    (God, I hate using The Journal(dot) ie... but they fact checked this, at least).

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eid-al-adha-croke-park-factcheck-5150881-Jul2020/

    As for religious celebrations... many faiths spoke at commemoration event for lives lost during war was last Sunday.
    Nobody had an issue with it.

    Time to move back on to the topic at hand. Denouncing RTE and their wasting funding.

    I agree with this post except for the last sentence.

    Is it ok if non-denouncers post too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    elperello wrote: »
    I agree with this post except for the last sentence.

    Is it ok if non-denouncers post too?

    Of course, polite discussion and polite disagreement are ways to grow. You may mutually agree on some things, mutually disagree on others, and be in absolute agreement on many other topics.

    It's all good. I have no issue with someone's opinion, unless it's veering towards possible xenophobia... which is what I felt the person bringing up the Eid celebration was doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Now the Angelus. That's an RTE religion waste of time we can all get fussy about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Now the Angelus. That's an RTE religion waste of time we can all get fussy about.

    Hasn't been religious in a long time (excepting the whole origin of it)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ckerryman


    Now the Angelus. That's an RTE religion waste of time we can all get fussy about.
    There was talk about 10 or 15 years ago, about getting rid of the Angelus, but Jews and Muslims spoke in defense of it and that was the end of the talk.


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