Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

JJayoo · 13-07-2020 06:20PM

Lots of pubs already open

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 06:20PM

Arghus wrote: »

Dr. Glynn a bit ropier than Tony Holohan today in the press conference today.

I've always found he's way more honest, he's not afraid to say something

ongarite · 13-07-2020 06:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dr. Glynn said 30% of cases in last 2 weeks were healthcare workers

With the small amount of people in ICU and in hospitals with COVID, to have >30% of cases come from health care workers points to complacency or poor hygiene standards IMO.

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 06:22PM

Interesting that Dr. Glynn says there are other considerations for government beside public health about mandatory quarantine. Reading between the lines sounds like measure NPHET would support

stephenjmcd · 13-07-2020 06:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Travel cases from:
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, France, Germany, India, Iraq, Malaysia, Pakistan, Portugal, Qatar, Sudan, Sweden, Ukraine, UAE, US.

Not exactly all tourist countries with direct flights. Afghanistan and Iraq bloody hell.

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 06:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not exactly all tourist countries with direct flights. Afghanistan and Iraq bloody hell.

Sudan is the most surprising one for me tbh

Strazdas · 13-07-2020 06:23PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Presumably green list would mean countries would be excluded if high risk but not sure how it works

Green list would mean travel between Ireland and those places would be absolutely fine in both directions and no need for anyone to quarantine.

Everyone else though would be considered as 'not welcome' in the country.

stephenjmcd · 13-07-2020 06:24PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Pubs ain’t going to be opening next week

for what reason ?

expectationlost · 13-07-2020 06:24PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Interesting that Dr. Glynn says there are other considerations for government beside public health about mandatory quarantine. Reading between the lines sounds like measure NPHET would support

but have they officially advised it?

cnocbui · 13-07-2020 06:24PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why is banning flights not realistic?

Trump banned European flights as Europe was a hotspot.

America is a hotspot now.

Absolute bonkers.

So how did that ban work out for the US?

Yes, absolute bonkers

expectationlost · 13-07-2020 06:25PM

pretty short press conference today

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 06:25PM

expectationlost wrote: »

but have they officially advised it?

Not that I'm aware

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 06:26PM

The Journal asking for info on whether the people coming here are Irish or not

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 06:27PM

Arghus wrote: »

Dr. Glynn a bit ropier than Tony Holohan today in the press conference today.

I've forgotten her name but I don't think the HSE doctor is great either. Would think HSE would make sure they had latest info for press conference

Jim_Hodge · 13-07-2020 06:27PM

ongarite wrote: »

With the small amount of people in ICU and in hospitals with COVID, to have >30% of cases come from health care workers points to complacency or poor hygiene standards IMO.

Healthcare includes nursing homes and residential care. They are being tested, so cases are being found. Occupation may be irrelevant other than it's one getting particular attention with testing. If we tested the same number of electricians or teachers we may find just as many.

Atlantic Dawn · 13-07-2020 06:28PM

Hopefully they 7 men who jumped out of the truck that arrived in Rosslare this morning self isolate for 14 days.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0713/1153042-wicklow-search-trailer/

expectationlost · 13-07-2020 06:31PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Hopefully they 7 men who jumped out of the truck that arrived in Rosslare this morning self isolate for 14 days.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0713/1153042-wicklow-search-trailer/

they would have broken laws, should have been stopped, drivers needs to check more.

Americans coming in are allowed to come in without any legal leverage to stop them.

Eod100 · 13-07-2020 06:32PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Hopefully they 7 men who jumped out of the truck that arrived in Rosslare this morning self isolate for 14 days.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0713/1153042-wicklow-search-trailer/

I like the ''Gardaí are investigating possible immigration offences'' line. Possible eh?!

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 06:34PM

ongarite wrote: »

healthcare workers +8 is crazy at this stage.
50% of cases if I'm reading the numbers right.

They are testing care home staff regularly now. They, too, are healthcare workers.

petes · 13-07-2020 06:36PM

cnocbui wrote: »

So how did that ban work out for the US?

Yes, absolute bonkers

Banning flights only works if other measures are adhered to. If the virus is already there and no other measures are adhered to it will be a ****show like the US.

But of course you already know this.

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 06:37PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Just watching the briefing there, Dr Glynn isn’t too sure just because of the last 5 days. No consideration to the previous 5 weeks.

The last 5 days will be used to decide if next Monday can go ahead. Holohan constantly referred to current numbers in their decision making.

DevilsHaircut · 13-07-2020 06:38PM

NPHET has been officially recommending legal travel restrictions for weeks.

Letter from Tony Holohan to Simon Harris reported on 27 June:

'In order to ensure the credibility of [travel corridors], it will be necessary to put in place legal restrictions regarding travel from countries which do not qualify for such arrangements, as is the approach taken by other EU member states.

In this regard, the NPHET recalls with urgency its prior recommendations on the need for legal restrictions to be put in place in regard to overseas travel.'

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tony-holohan-overseas-travel-is-a-major-covid-19-threat-1.4290551

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 06:43PM

petes wrote: »

Banning flights only works if other measures are adhered to. If the virus is already there and no other measures are adhered to it will be a ****show like the US.

But of course you already know this.

The US has managed to mess up all on their own. The rest of us stayed at home and and did what we were told. They closed too late and opened up again far too early.

Sanjuro · 13-07-2020 06:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not exactly all tourist countries with direct flights. Afghanistan and Iraq bloody hell.

The country's heroin supply has to come from somewhere.

Plumbthedepths · 13-07-2020 06:47PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Pubs ain’t going to be opening next week

How do you know?

is_that_so · 13-07-2020 06:48PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

NPHET has been officially recommending legal travel restrictions for weeks.

Letter from Tony Holohan to Simon Harris reported on 27 June:

'In order to ensure the credibility of [travel corridors], it will be necessary to put in place legal restrictions regarding travel from countries which do not qualify for such arrangements, as is the approach taken by other EU member states.

In this regard, the NPHET recalls with urgency its prior recommendations on the need for legal restrictions to be put in place in regard to overseas travel.'

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tony-holohan-overseas-travel-is-a-major-covid-19-threat-1.4290551

An interesting reminder to people that NPHET never actually ran the country. Their recommendations largely coincided with government thinking for much of this.
The travel question is a whole lot more complicated than bare public health advice.

GerryFog · 13-07-2020 06:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sudan is the most surprising one for me tbh

There is a lot of Irish working in oil out in Sudan.

cnocbui · 13-07-2020 06:52PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What are you doing here? You should be on RTE frightening the nation as another expert.

AdamD wrote: »

What's more likely:

A handful of people out of millions who caught Covid got reinfected

or

A handful of Covid tests out of millions were wrong

El Sueño wrote: »

There's zero proof of reinfections, it'd be all over the news if there was.

Complete non-story

fritzelly wrote: »

Like already said no reinfections, a couple of people who likely never fully recovered and relapsed after treatment stopped if even infected in either instance

big syke wrote: »

Wow - "Newbies". Grow up.

The Japanese cases were from Feb when little was known and it was proven not true.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/can-one-be-reinfected-no-evidence-yet-say-experts/story-7opoQHzOx5Px6fSyfpoFuO.html

https://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/news/no-chance-reinfection-1922161

See i can link stuff too

big syke wrote: »

Shhhh stop making sense.

There's some scaremongering to be done.

We are such Newbies

Just in; just for you:

Recovered Covid-19 patients only develop 14% immunity against a second infection with coronavirus, suggests antibody study that warns 'a vaccine is urgently needed'

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0995-0
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517531/Recovered-Covid-19-patients-develop-14-immunity-study-claims.html

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 06:52PM

GerryFog wrote: »

There is a lot of Irish working in oil out in Sudan.

Oh I know yeah, I've a cousin who's just back from Iraq.

ACitizenErased · 13-07-2020 06:53PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Just in; just for you:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0995-0
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517531/Recovered-Covid-19-patients-develop-14-immunity-study-claims.html

The Daily Mail.... Jesus Christ.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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