Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

Wildsurfer · 13-07-2020 06:02AM

If the tractor had been a mother and her children in a car turning into their driveway and this lad ploughed into them I dont think anyone would be saying it was anything other than reckless on his part. I'd say we've all done things on the road in our youth we look back and say what were we thinking, so hopefully this lad realizes he got off lightly to just walk away from that one.

Lime Tree Farm · 13-07-2020 06:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Your man never even braked,no skid mark,not particularly sunny/blinding weather,and a mile of room to get back in lane,in front of truck

Wtf do some lads be at

better-to-be-late-than-be-dead-on-time

Say my name · 13-07-2020 07:15AM

Reggie. wrote: »

If any blame is put on the tractor driver then there should be uproar. I can guarantee you that the driver looked back and it was clear then concentrated in getting the swing right to get the mower in the gap. That car was on him in seconds. Driver cant be watching 360° around him 100% of the time. It's not possible while driving machinery. There is too much to be watching. Completely different than just tipping along in your car on the daily commute.

Tractor was off the road in the field gateway by the time of the accident.
Your man in the car had ample time to react.

The car was behind the lorry 100 metres away 5 vehicles from the accident when the tractor driver was committing to the turn.

The white van directly behind the mower on the white line wouldn't have helped the tractor drivers view either.

No matter what people think you still can't break the speed limit while overtaking.

The Honda driver should be off the road. That manoeuvre looked like it wasn't his first time overtaking a row of vehicles at speed.
Do that craic and no if's nor buts. You're dangerous. Off.

Reggie. · 13-07-2020 08:20AM

Say my name wrote: »

Tractor was off the road in the field gateway by the time of the accident.
Your man in the car had ample time to react.

The car was behind the lorry 100 metres away 5 vehicles from the accident when the tractor driver was committing to the turn.

The white van directly behind the mower on the white line wouldn't have helped the tractor drivers view either.

No matter what people think you still can't break the speed limit while overtaking.

The Honda driver should be off the road. That manoeuvre looked like it wasn't his first time overtaking a row of vehicles at speed.
Do that craic and no if's nor buts. You're dangerous. Off.

Plus no attempt made by the car to brake

Say my name · 13-07-2020 08:40AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Plus no attempt made by the car to brake

I don't think he had indicators on either.

Ah you just know at that speed he wasn't in the line of traffic at all. He came upon the row of traffic at his travelling speed and went for it.

On the lorry dashcam when they meet the esb pickup the speed of traffic is already slowing up. If you were in that traffic you'd know there's something up.
Obviously the car driver wasn't in that traffic.
If there was a child or dog on the road with that driver passing them out..:rolleyes:

jaymla627 · 13-07-2020 09:17AM

Markcheese wrote: »

Unfortunately the same could be said of most accidents ... You cant look 360degrees ,but it's not really an excuse to say I checked a second ago ..

Have ground on a busy main road here exactly like that turn-off and always stop tractor dead on road to a standstill when turning if their is traffic behind us, and then turn once i know the 2-3 cars that are behind us are stopped, would of had a incident exactly like the above when at slurry this year only for doing the above two cars directly behind us pulled up but the third lad sailed out by the two cars and tractor and tanker never lifting the foot, where their is a broken white line and your turning into the right crossing a lane the onus is on you to make sure no traffic is in that lane before commiting to turn

raypallas · 13-07-2020 09:21AM

X6.430macman wrote: »

Ya couldn't get over how quick those cars disappeared that were up with the action

Dash cam would have the reg in front of him and maybe more anyways so be easy for guards to get in contact. I'd be fighting that if they tried to put any of it it on the tractor, even with checking the mirrors the car covered a lot of ground in a short time and may have been clear when he checked.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 13-07-2020 09:24AM

It shows the importance of having dashcams as well if you're on the road regularly.

Mooooo · 13-07-2020 09:25AM

Turning in to our own place here I pull off the left where there is space to leave the cars pass, two many idiots on the road have tried that ****e before. Oh other way is if no lorry behind is to take up the whole road before turning in. Some dopes think indicating in a tractor means they can go past. The dash cam of the lorry should aid the tractor driver there but he will have to tell his insurance company he isn't accepting any liability which would prob mean court. Young lad years ago pulled out in front of the mother from a minor road, they still ended up saying it was a 90/ 10 split at fault. Ridiculous really

emaherx · 13-07-2020 03:23PM

Wonder if he'll get a HSA inspection now for his missing PTO cover

Bonzo Delaney · 13-07-2020 04:34PM

emaherx wrote: »

Wonder if he'll get a HSA inspection now for his missing PTO cover

It came off in the crash

wrangler · 13-07-2020 04:41PM

Bonzo Delaney wrote: »

It came off in the crash

Yea, like when I had my jeep stolen ........ no matter what blue cards were missing they were in the jeep, great opportunity to sort out paper work

lab man · 13-07-2020 06:49PM

Would he not having a beacon be a big factor as in the car driver saying in court that the tractor and mower had no beacons so was on the road illegally ?

lab man · 13-07-2020 06:58PM

Lads have ye any views on the major cyclone mulcher I'm thinking of buying a flail mower or mulcher or a cyclone I dunno which is best though mainly heavy rushes and furze would be the main work done

selectamatic · 13-07-2020 07:02PM

lab man wrote: »

Would he not having a beacon be a big factor as in the car driver saying in court that the tractor and mower had no beacons so was on the road illegally ?

There's a beacon on the tractor.

lab man · 13-07-2020 07:08PM

selectamatic wrote: »

There's a beacon on the tractor.

Didn't see that fair play to him

SuperTortoise · 13-07-2020 07:14PM

You'd think the car driver will be found at fault, and he should be, but this is Ireland, between solicitors, insurance companies and judges there is no guarantee.

I think Reggie got it spot on, the tractor driver checked his mirrors and saw it clear then looked back to the road to spot his turn in point.

endainoz · 13-07-2020 07:30PM

lab man wrote: »

Lads have ye any views on the major cyclone mulcher I'm thinking of buying a flail mower or mulcher or a cyclone I dunno which is best though mainly heavy rushes and furze would be the main work done

I have a cyclone, can't fault it. Dosent need a huge amount of power to work with, great for rough old grasses, briers, small furze. And you can cover a field fairly fast when using it for just topping. Christ I sound like I work for major but it's a great machine!

enricoh · 13-07-2020 07:36PM

Wildsurfer wrote: »

If the tractor had been a mother and her children in a car turning into their driveway and this lad ploughed into them I dont think anyone would be saying it was anything other than reckless on his part. I'd say we've all done things on the road in our youth we look back and say what were we thinking, so hopefully this lad realizes he got off lightly to just walk away from that one.

It says in the article a fella in his 40's was brought to hospital. If he's 40 odd at that craic there's no hope for him, only a matter of time til he kills someone.

Aravo · 13-07-2020 07:50PM

The car driver overtook a lorry, car, car, large van and then collision occurred.
Maybe there was something behind the lorry and it passed that as well.

UK rules of the road: You should not overtake on a single-lane road in these circumstances: ... If the vehicle in front of you is indicating right: even if their positioning in the road implies they're not turning.

Not sure if it's spelt out that clearly with the RSA.

So before the car driver went to pass out all the vehicles, did he check all their indicators. I doubt it.

It's dangerous driving from the car driver. Even if there was no collision, passing out a lorry, car, car, large van, tractor and mower is in my opinion a very dangerous maneuver.
That fella is lucky to be alive.

lab man · 13-07-2020 07:55PM

Would he not having a beacon be a big factor as in the car driver saying in court that the tractor and mower had no beacons so was on the road illegally ?

Reggie. · 13-07-2020 08:11PM

lab man wrote: »

Would he not having a beacon be a big factor as in the car driver saying in court that the tractor and mower had no beacons so was on the road illegally ?

Grasping at straws I'd say

selectamatic · 13-07-2020 08:35PM

enricoh wrote: »

It says in the article a fella in his 40's was brought to hospital. If he's 40 odd at that craic there's no hope for him, only a matter of time til he kills someone.

It's an interesting aspect surely even more so from the tractor drivers perspective.

There'd be plenty of grumbling going on if the tractor driver was a teenager or person in their early 20s.

The car driver is definitely getting done for dangerous driving imo going off what I've seen and heard of what others have gotten for similar things.

If he gets a very good solicitor he might get that reduced down to driving without due care and attention but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

4 star ncap safety rating for the accord is clearly well deserved too.

lab man · 13-07-2020 09:20PM

endainoz wrote: »

I have a cyclone, can't fault it. Dosent need a huge amount of power to work with, great for rough old grasses, briers, small furze. And you can cover a field fairly fast when using it for just topping. Christ I sound like I work for major but it's a great machine!

Wat width have you are they 1000 or 540 box

mad-for-tar · 13-07-2020 09:37PM

Aravo wrote: »

The car driver overtook a lorry, car, car, large van and then collision occurred.
Maybe there was something behind the lorry and it passed that as well.

From one of the FB posts on the topic, it seems there were more that were overtaken behind the truck before he got that far. Here is what they had posted:

I was the car comin the Opposite side.. my opinion is it’s the Honda accords fault.. the tractor was indicating and the man in the accord was trying to over take them all stupidly as there was oncoming traffic anyway(me) he sped up trying to get in quicker and I Even slowed Down! There was about 3/4 cars behind the lorry he overtook aswel. Maybe the farmer should Have looked but he obviously looked before indicating as you do.. so moral of the story don’t over take if there is oncoming traffic and not enough time to do so.

As someone had quoted on another topic of conversation on it
“.... a dash cam is vital because if they survive they'll do anything to divert blame.”

This I think this is true to some extent and the farmer/contractor will likely be the victim in this or the blame will be shifted their way due to often negative media and social media surrounding farming community in recent times.
Can be sure the only ones who will make a fast pound out of it are the ambulance chasing legal profession.
Have to agree with Reggies point further up that by the time you’ve checked the road is clear you’re concentration moves to getting your rig through the gap safely, I don’t think he stood a chance, even if he did spot it and ground to a halt half way across the road, the damage / injuries could have been much worse.

ruwithme · 13-07-2020 10:59PM

Moral of the story is too much speed. accidents are enivitable on roads. please slow down folks. you might find yourself with more time to react to a imminent accident

endainoz · 14-07-2020 12:21AM

lab man wrote: »

Wat width have you are they 1000 or 540 box

2.5m and they are 1000

dohc turbo2 · 14-07-2020 11:25AM

When I was starting out driving , my father was truck driving but his advice to me was , leave early be in no rush , and hit or be hit but be on you’re side of the road

davidk1394 · 15-07-2020 07:36PM

Trying out the new arrival today.

Reggie. · 15-07-2020 07:36PM

davidk1394 wrote: »

Trying out the new arrival today.

Ya couldn't have manners.

Well wear by the way

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