Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Limpy · 12-07-2020 02:38PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Americans can enter visa free for tourism reasons to Ireland for up to 90 days.

The simple solution is to remove this is to remove this right for the foreseeable time being and publicise the fact to discourage them travelling.

If you are going to come to Ireland from USA, you can only do so for essential purposes or with a long term (study or work) Visa in which case you have to commit to self Isolation

I know that countries who have to apply for Visas to enter Ireland are only being issued them for long term purposes. It's normally easy to get a Tourist Visa (say from Russia or China) but people are being told not to apply for those and if they do they are refused.

So let's not apply for an Irish visa, let's travel to the North. Now maybe i feel like going to Dublin from Derry so I'll Just rent a car and drive.

How can you stop that?

12-07-2020 02:45PM

Limpy wrote: »

So let's not apply for an Irish visa, let's travel to the North. Now maybe i feel like going to Dublin from Derry so I'll Just rent a car and drive.

How can you stop that?

There will be a few determined people who will do that. But it would put off most

I’m starting to really dislike American tourists generally, and that will stay with me for a long long time. I know it’s irrational and unfair, but it’s just what I feel about all of them.

normanoffside · 12-07-2020 02:45PM

Limpy wrote: »

So let's not apply for an Irish visa, let's travel to the North. Now maybe i feel like going to Dublin from Derry so I'll Just rent a car and drive.

How can you stop that?

Haven’t the UK put the US on their ‘red’ list?

Otherwise if there are no direct flights to Dublin for American tourists then Most will be put off.

I don’t think there are any flights from USA to Belfast btw.

Just suspend Tourist Visa’s/Tourist VISA waivers from high risk countries.
It would help if the Government could finally come up with our ‘Green’ List.

Limpy · 12-07-2020 02:57PM

Any list published will only be as effective as what the UK have in place. As anything Ireland puts out can be circumvented by travelling to the UK (NI), then travelling down South (ROI).

VinLieger · 12-07-2020 03:00PM

Limpy wrote: »

Any list published will only be as effective as what the UK have in place. As anything Ireland puts out can be circumvented by travelling to the UK (NI), then travelling down South (ROI).

Well if anything we would at least take the UK down too which tbh they deserve if they are allowing anyone from hotzones in as well.

gral6 · 12-07-2020 03:05PM

Just lift up these stupid self-quarintine restrictions ! We'll be living with this flu forever now !

normanoffside · 12-07-2020 03:09PM

Limpy wrote: »

Any list published will only be as effective as what the UK have in place. As anything Ireland puts out can be circumvented by travelling to the UK (NI), then travelling down South (ROI).

Well, NI already put their own list out and it doesn't even include Portugal never mind the USA.

People in NI are just as cautious as you or me as they have extremely low infection rates.

So if the rouge tourists can't even travel directly to Belfast and instead have to go Green list Country- Belfast-Dublin then I see them mostly being put off touristing as it just becomes too awkward.

We need to Publish our own Green List ASAP so that something can be done with tourists arriving from countries not on the list.

The current 'advisories' and 'one size fits all' solutions are just not good enough.

Experience_day · 12-07-2020 03:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There will be a few determined people who will do that. But it would put off most

I’m starting to really dislike American tourists generally, and that will stay with me for a long long time. I know it’s irrational and unfair, but it’s just what I feel about all of them.

You'd dislike the lack of them even more...

Richard Hillman · 12-07-2020 03:32PM

You can't stop people travelling through NI to get to Ireland (you can really though) but it's a deterrent, a hurdle to stop people. The more hurdles the better. If you stop one person coming in, it's a success.

Originally government didn't stop flights because they felt they may have to pay compensation to the airlines. The only reason why flights slowed was because Ryanair stopped themselves.

If they had have just stopped the airlines, it would have cost a lot less than shutting down the economy for 3 months. Although I do think there was a lot more in terms of Varadkar positioning himself for being a good EU Boy.

Martin, a weak leader, can shut down the flights when he wants to but won't. He is not strong enough to make a stance. So we're going to go through this again, all because nobody has the balls to make a decision.

aziz · 12-07-2020 03:36PM

This shows the mindset of some Americans

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/07/great-white-concert-coronavirus/

amber2 · 12-07-2020 04:18PM

Not too sure if it’s been posted already re US tourists entering Ireland not quarantining and signing up for tours.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/tour-operator-cancels-guided-cycle-after-learning-tourists-from-us-had-not-self-isolated-after-arriving-1010700.html

amadangomor · 12-07-2020 04:40PM

Stheno wrote: »

Most MNCs had global travel bans in place before March tbh, I doubt its them keeping flights open, with a majority of people wfh

This, I work in Intel and they were enforcing a 14 day quarantine on people traveling from abroad weeks before the government took similar action.

amadangomor · 12-07-2020 04:42PM

aziz wrote: »

This shows the mindset of some Americans

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/07/great-white-concert-coronavirus/

they need to be locked up firstly for their absolutely ****e music

threeball · 12-07-2020 05:06PM

amber2 wrote: »

Not too sure if it’s been posted already re US tourists entering Ireland not quarantining and signing up for tours.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/tour-operator-cancels-guided-cycle-after-learning-tourists-from-us-had-not-self-isolated-after-arriving-1010700.html

This is the entitled mindset of the yanks that we just simply have to avoid by banning them completely. What they bring in revenue will be doubled in health care costs. They can come back when they get their sh1t together and maybe a president who isn't an imbecile. No harm for them to learn what the world really thinks about them either.

PowerToWait · 12-07-2020 05:20PM

threeball wrote: »

This is the entitled mindset of the yanks that we just simply have to avoid by banning them completely. What they bring in revenue will be doubled in health care costs. They can come back when they get their sh1t together and maybe a president who isn't an imbecile. No harm for them to learn what the world really thinks about them either.

Way to xenophobe.

Tenzor07 · 12-07-2020 05:30PM

threeball wrote: »

This is the entitled mindset of the yanks that we just simply have to avoid by banning them completely. What they bring in revenue will be doubled in health care costs. They can come back when they get their sh1t together and maybe a president who isn't an imbecile. No harm for them to learn what the world really thinks about them either.

Send the 'Ra up to Dublin airport and turn those American planes back before they land!

And let them take their 250,000 jobs with them the ba**ds!

threeball · 12-07-2020 05:32PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Way to xenophobe.

Aww the poor divils will be so distraught they won't be able to engage in their national pastime of xenophobia. Forgive me if I could give less of a sh1t.

threeball · 12-07-2020 05:35PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Send the 'Ra up to Dublin airport and turn those American planes back before they land!

And let them take their 250,000 jobs with them the ba**ds!

We create more jobs in the US than they create here but let's ignore that and re-import a virus they had months to control but couldn't be bothered.

Tenzor07 · 12-07-2020 05:39PM

threeball wrote: »

We create more jobs in the US than they create here but let's ignore that and re-import a virus they had months to control but couldn't be bothered.

We should take all our jobs back from the U.S and bring them back here!

ziggyman17 · 12-07-2020 05:45PM

close the ****ing borders,,,,,,how hard is that to do ? people in this country going out of their way to do the right thing, the government banging on about social distancing, doing the right thing yet the government keep the airports open, meaning that it is pointless people already in Ireland following the guidelines as people entering the country and going where they like makes everything we are doing to kill the virus null and void...... They are talking about closing up the restaurants and pubs yet keep the airports open.........****ing madness, these politicians are ****ing idiots...........

threeball · 12-07-2020 05:49PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

We should take all our jobs back from the U.S and bring them back here!

Well we're not stupid enough to think that's how it works but they are apparently.

12-07-2020 05:51PM

Experience_day wrote: »

You'd dislike the lack of them even more...

I certainly wouldn’t!

Tenzor07 · 12-07-2020 05:54PM

threeball wrote: »

Well we're not stupid enough to think that's how it works but they are apparently.

Well, lets take back all our U.S jobs, close the borders until there's a Vaccine! Keep the U.K out and all.

Hopefully we can keep getting payouts from the EU until the cure is found.

Meanwhile we can all go back to farming and grow all our own food and make all our own clothes..!

threeball · 12-07-2020 05:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, lets take back all our U.S jobs, close the borders until there's a Vaccine! Keep the U.K out and all.

Hopefully we can keep getting payouts from the EU until the cure is found.

Meanwhile we can all go back to farming and grow all our own food and make all our own clothes..!

Its not necessary to have tourists from either country in order to carry on industry here in Ireland, in fact its the best way to keep the doors open and avoid job losses but you'd obviously prefer we keep doffing the cap to our "superiors".

sailing · 12-07-2020 06:00PM

The Aviation task force report of last Friday made very interesting reading.
We are an island nation.
We absolutely need the airports to be open. Our economy won't survive without inward and outward travel. Staycations won't cut it financially.

There is a simple immediate solution. Publish the green air corridors immediately. Advise against travel to non published countries. It's a very simple solution really.

Without a vaccine you can't eradicate the virus without bankrupting the country. You adapt and learn to live with it. To think otherwise is naive and foolish.

Tenzor07 · 12-07-2020 06:01PM

threeball wrote: »

Its not necessary to have tourists from either country in order to carry on industry here in Ireland, in fact its the best way to keep the doors open and avoid job losses but you'd obviously prefer we keep doffing the cap to our "superiors".

Which superiors now, the U.S or the EU or the UK? Who should we close the borders to again?
What's wrong with returning to Ireland being an Agrarian country?

YellowBucket · 12-07-2020 06:09PM

I can assure you most multinational companies do not want to see caution thrown to the wind and a risk of their businesses being disrupted, as is happening in the USA, occurring here.

A bunch of Texans wandering around Killarney have nothing to do with operations of businesses here.

The USA also banned trips from Ireland several months ago.

ziggyman17 · 12-07-2020 06:12PM

sailing wrote: »

The Aviation task force report of last Friday made very interesting reading.
We are an island nation.
We absolutely need the airports to be open. Our economy won't survive without inward and outward travel. Staycations won't cut it financially.

There is a simple immediate solution. Publish the green air corridors immediately. Advise against travel to non published countries. It's a very simple solution really.

Without a vaccine you can't eradicate the virus without bankrupting the country. You adapt and learn to live with it. To think otherwise is naive and foolish.

rubbish, they can keep that open for importing and exporting of goods, but why should we be open for example American tourists, a country that has the virus running wild and out of control, if the shoe was on the other foot then their would be no chance of Irish being allowed in to America..........

Atlantic Dawn · 12-07-2020 06:13PM

sailing wrote: »

Without a vaccine you can't eradicate the virus without bankrupting the country. You adapt and learn to live with it. To think otherwise is naive and foolish.

Exactly, for the next 5 years plus of this we will end up depending on food vouchers from the EU to live with the current approach.

Tenzor07 · 12-07-2020 06:14PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

I can assure you most multinational companies do not want to see caution thrown to the wind and a risk of their businesses being disrupted, as is happening in the USA, occurring here.
A bunch of Texans wandering around Killarney have nothing to do with operations of businesses here.
The USA also banned trips from Ireland several months ago.

Well, once they get the message that Americans aren't welcome here and we can shut down all U.S flights and close the borders then that should send out the right message... Ireland is closed! I know Investors will understand that bit.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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