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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #4832
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    smurfjed wrote: »
    @WolleyRedHat



    So how do you feel about Irish people going to countries like England or Spain that have rates 3-4 times higher than Ireland at the moment.

    Personally I think Irish citizens should be able to travel around the EU. On the other hand I couldn’t give two flying ****s about US citizens who don’t get to visit here. Don’t let them in.


  • #4833
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Can someone put together a letter template that we can send to our elected officials to demand action on those entering our country from hotspots that threaten to derail the progress we have made as a nation against this virus. We need decisive action and we need it now.

    Templated letters are pointless. Just write your own letter. Simple, say what you feel and want. Don't waffle and keep to the point. Why wait for somebody to write a letter for you?


  • #4834
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    smurfjed wrote: »
    @WolleyRedHat



    So how do you feel about Irish people going to countries like England or Spain that have rates 3-4 times higher than Ireland at the moment.

    I don't agree with that either, it represents a public health risk, especially when we can't guarantee they're quarantining on return to the country.


  • #4835
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Templated letters are pointless. Just write your own letter. Simple, say what you feel and want. Don't waffle and keep to the point. Why wait for somebody to write a letter for you?

    Because if we have a telegraphed campaign it can increase pressure. If we only have the odd person writing a letter to their public representative it won't have the same desired effect. By all means people should personalize letter, but it needs to be a collaborative effort to be effective.


  • #4836
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I don't agree with that either, it represents a public health risk, especially when we can't guarantee they're quarantining on return to the country.

    People leaving their home represents a public health risk. Why do some think this is ok in the middle of a pandemic?


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  • #4837
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Have you at least emailed your local TD to get the ball rolling?

    Of course I have, but no response worth talking about, they are waiting for MM to say something. We are not being led now by anyone it seems.


  • #4838
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    People leaving their home represents a public health risk. Why do some think this is ok in the middle of a pandemic?

    Don't you think that's a tad dramatic. You have to weigh up risks and their effect on potential outcomes.


  • #4839
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think the think about Dublin is it has almost 33% of Ireland's population and the busiest international airport on the island along with port access. I think it's inevitable it will have more cases both in figures and per capita.

    Yes , and also not inevitable that everybody from Dublin would be spreading Covid .
    Joe Murphy and his family go to the mobile in Wexford. Have brought their supplies from Dublin. Only sit out socially distanced on the deck or the beach , and rarely go for a meal out except with their family , and all according to guidelines .
    Mary Power and family flying back to Cork or Shannon , unknowingly infected from their holidays, but not quarantining because they feel fine , and then going to the shop and off license , having the extended family around for a welcome home party, just as easily spreading and infecting a number of people .
    But they might not , if they wear a mask , keep their distance, and obey strict hygiene rules.

    It really is not down to where anyone is based in the country , but what they are doing and how they are doing it .


  • #4840
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Don't you think that's a tad dramatic. You have to weigh up risks and their effect on potential outcomes.

    It was the approach govts around the world took from day one. Why is different now. The virus is here.


  • #4841
    sideswipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Two house parties happening right now on my road. Neighbours had one Thursday night also. I'm past caring now. All I hope for is when the inevitable second wave hits us these people suffer greatly.

    That’s the spirit!


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  • #4842
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    At this stage, leaving your home should be a crime, who knows who could be asymptomatic? If we are realistic about stopping this, leaving home should be illegal unless for food.

    If he tested positive he should be in isolation not at a party with 30 others . Its quite simple


  • #4843
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭quartz1


    Imagine been an elderly or compromised person living in fear since early March . ....doing everything you can to stay safe and you look out you window at a bus load of tourists ... I accept there may not be huge numbers of tourists but how many would it take to cause problems . ..just not good enough


  • #4844
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Personally I think Irish citizens should be able to travel around the EU. On the other hand I couldn’t give two flying ****s about US citizens who don’t get to visit here. Don’t let them in.

    Same should apply to UK, so can you imagine!

    And still not a word from FF or our new Taoiseach. He is possibly in his booked table down the Silver Key next door to his house anyway and couldn't care less.

    Am very disappointed with the pension peddaling TS now TBH, was willing to give him a pass but not any longer.


  • #4845
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    It was the approach govts around the world took from day one. Why is different now. The virus is here.

    Are you really trying to present people staying in their homes at this point in time until the virus passes as a workable solution? It's all about prevalence of the condition.


  • #4846
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,719 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Taken from CSO.IE for 2019
    Cause of death

    Diseases of the Heart and Arteries:

    Diseases of the circulatory system accounted for 8,989 deaths or an annual rate of 1.8 per 1,000 population. Of these, 4,163 were due to ischaemic heart disease and 1,627 to cerebrovascular disease. See tables 11 and 12, and figure 4.

    Malignant Cancers:

    There were 9,589 deaths from malignant neoplasms. This is equivalent to an annual rate of 1.9 per 1,000 population. See tables 11 and 12, and figure 4.

    Lung Diseases:

    Deaths from chronic lower respiratory disease numbered 1,767, pneumonia accounted for 980 deaths and 1,060 deaths resulted from all other respiratory diseases. See tables 11 and 12.

    Accidents, suicides and other:

    There were 1,393 deaths due to accidents, suicides and other external causes. Accidents accounted for 65.3% (909) of these deaths while suicides accounted for 30.2% (421). Of these 1,393 deaths, 934 (67.0%) were male. See tables 12, 13, 14 and 16.

    30.8 %maglignantneoplasms30.8 %maglignantneoplasms
    28.9 %circulatorydiseases28.9 %circulatorydiseases
    4.5 %externalcauses4.5 %externalcauses
    12.2 %respiratorydiseases12.2 %respiratorydiseases
    23.6 %remainder23.6 %remainder
    Source: CSO Ireland
    Figure 4 Principal causes of death 2019
    Age at death

    The leading cause of death in 2019 varied widely by age group. Among those aged from 15 to 34 years, external causes of death including accidents, suicide and other ranked first (258 deaths). Among individuals aged 35-74, cancers were the leading cause while for those aged 75 and older, it was diseases of the heart and arteries. See table 12 and figure 5.

    There were 25,438 deaths of persons aged 65 and over registered in 2019. This represents an annual death rate of 36.5 per 1,000 population aged 65 and over and represents a rate decrease of 1.6 when compared with 2018. See tables 1a, 1b and figure.

    With the expectation that over 200 people would have died in a normal 3 month period from pneumonia, how are they differentiating between a COVID death and a pneumonia death?


  • #4847
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Any uproar about these saps out today? Or is that reserved for pubs only..

    https://twitter.com/iamsaoirse_/status/1281960472229695489?s=19


  • #4848
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Seems to be gaining legs now. Not a fan of the independent...
    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/were-fearful-many-publicans-suspect-they-will-be-barred-from-opening-39358703.html


  • #4849
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    If he tested positive he should be in isolation not at a party with 30 others . Its quite simple

    'We all partied'.


  • #4850
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    'We all partied'.

    As was the case when that obnoxious comment was originally used: Oh no we all didn't.


  • #4851
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    The level of cases we're seeing now are probably the same level that were here a week ago when we had single digit figures. The daily testing looks like it's doubled. So we're just finding more of it out there. It's not like we were finding all cases with 4000 daily tests. I'd guess we're finding a lot of asymptomatic people. Just look at the positivity rate. 12 cases out of 5000 tests is the same positivity rate as 24 cases out of 10000 tests. But when we see 24 cases in a day. Guess which figure is the one that is focused on more? It ain't the number of tests.


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  • #4852
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Seems to be gaining legs now. Not a fan of the independent...
    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/were-fearful-many-publicans-suspect-they-will-be-barred-from-opening-39358703.html

    Sounds like the government don't know what to do so kick the can down the road - useless bunch of muppets


  • #4853
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    If people want to voice their dissatisfaction about
    public health management including the current travel situation that allows tourists from countries that have high level of prevalence of virus into our country, with no guarantee that they will quarantine, then I urge you to contact your local TDs . You can find who are your current representatives at the link below:

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/tds/?tab=constituency&term=%2Fie%2Foireachtas%2Fhouse%2Fdail%2F33&constituency=


  • #4854
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    As was the case when that obnoxious comment was originally used: Oh no we all didn't.

    Exactly, meant to be ironic.


  • #4855
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You relaise yes that they haven't traced any clusters back to bars or restaurants. We've been fairly well informed where these clusters are and how they're originating.

    Forget about R0 for a minute, that's going to be stupidly high if you drop a cluster of cases into the mix when working off a low data set.

    This isn't a postivity bias, its actual fact that we're at the moment very much on top of clusters, I saw a quote earlier I think it was from De Gauscun and it said along the lines of we haven't got uncontrolled spread, we know where these cases are and where they originate from. That's a success in my eyes.

    Compared to 2 and 3 months ago when we had no idea where they were coming from.

    "Its only July", why do you think its going somewhere?? We're going to have to learn to live with this and suggesting a mass lockdown again isn't realistic what so ever. People have to take personal responsibility for their actions but others need to learn that this isn't going anywhere and with more movement brings more cases.


    https://twitter.com/Aaron_Derfel/status/1282054133231624197


  • #4856
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,029 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Realistically it's hard not to see a rise in new cases over the next week or two. Every popular tourist area in the country today was absolutely jammers. Let's just hope it's a manageable increase.


  • #4857
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Sounds like the government don't know what to do so kick the can down the road - useless bunch of muppets

    It’s getting on my tits now to be honest. House parties won’t stop they were happening anyway before Covid but at least will all pubs open, it’d be controlled, gives people the option and contact tracing easier. Maybe the pubs should make it a rule that the app be downloaded before entry? Obviously not all people have smartphones but not a bad way of helping them open. On the app I think all retail Workers should be made download it.


  • #4858
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Dublin will be grand if locked down, it is the capital, everything on your doorstep, be fine.

    Should be a passport control at all entrances to keep away the boggers lol :P

    :)


  • #4859
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    Is that true?

    Fúcking hell he/she should be fired out of a cannon into the sea.

    Reported in a few places now online, nothing official but the details seem to be accurate enough


  • #4860
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Seems to be gaining legs now. Not a fan of the independent...
    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/were-fearful-many-publicans-suspect-they-will-be-barred-from-opening-39358703.html

    LVA were told this morning it would depend on how this weekend went and so far no issues being reported. As predicted by many the first weekend would be busy and it would calm down after that


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  • #4861
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    The level of cases we're seeing now are probably the same level that were here a week ago when we had single digit figures. The daily testing looks like it's doubled. So we're just finding more of it out there. It's not like we were finding all cases with 4000 daily tests. I'd guess we're finding a lot of asymptomatic people. Just look at the positivity rate. 12 cases out of 5000 tests is the same positivity rate as 24 cases out of 10000 tests. But when we see 24 cases in a day. Guess which figure is the one that is focused on more? It ain't the number of tests.

    2 weeks ago we did just under 4k tests and were finding roughly 10 cases a day. Testing now is nearly at the 10k per day and roughly 20 cases per day. So 10 more cases for two thirds more testing. Positivity rate remains the same. Around 0.2 - 0.3%


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