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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #3692
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    We are just too good looking. :cool:

    And this is a God gifted breathing apparatus meant for that sweet sweet oxygen, not for masks :cool:


  • #3693
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    tom1ie wrote: »
    How serious was/is Kazakhstan taking c19? They are saying a deadlier virus than c19 but maybe it’s c19 not taken seriously (no SD nonlockdown lack of hygiene etc) mixed with an older demographic or something.

    Not very. Kazakhstan is an highly corrupt country. They lifted restrictions way too early and are now seeing a spike.


  • #3694
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    We are just too good looking. :cool:


    I read that in his voice

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  • #3695
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    Not very. Kazakhstan is an highly corrupt country. They lifted restrictions way too early and are now seeing a spike.

    I seen that in Borat. Pretty good documentary.


  • #3696
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    One thing I will not do is trust the Kazakhs as medical experts...

    True. 56000 covid cases and only 264 deaths. Something doesn't add up.


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  • #3697
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Hmmmm. Hard to trust them tbh.

    They'd surely have been able to figure out if its COVID-19 when its running rampant there with 6 months, thats all Im thinking.

    But what do I know? I'm only guessing. (shrug)


  • #3698
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭jackboy


    A lot of new cases originating from travel. Same thing as was seen at the start of the pandemic. The response again seems to be just let it happen and deal with it after we get a spike in cases.


  • #3699
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yeah I mean, what are the odds of another mysterious deadly pneumonia emerging just while the world is already in the middle of a pandemic? Very slim. But if it is some other new thing, well we're all fooked.

    Yeah I know itd be like the feckin old testament if it was another disease. But surely Occam's razor would suggest in the middle of an outbreak of a pneumonia causing disease the likely cause is the existing one rather than a new one. Anyway the Kazakh government are as reliable as a 3 quid gold watch and the Chinese embassy...let's not go there.


  • #3700
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Why are Irish ppl so anti mask?


    The "rebel" side of the Irish has done us absolutely no favours since March

    We hate being told what to do. In this regard some people just need to grow up


  • #3701
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Who's talking years?

    Have a little faith in science. They will figure it out vaccine/treatment.

    The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.


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  • #3702
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    True. 56000 covid cases and only 264 deaths. Something doesn't add up.

    They must be using Chinese calculators.


  • #3703
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Renjit wrote: »
    Update from Baldy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clscC120ZQM

    This doesn't sit well at all.

    While the video was informative, by his own admission he only got an ICU bed because he had friends who were able to pull some strings with the Russian Government. So obviously ICU beds were hard to come by and at a premium.

    Him getting a bed would have come at the cost of someone else getting a bed - someone who maybe didn't ignore all travel advice and social distancing advice and decided to do a travel vlog in Serbia for their YouTube channel.

    Completely irresponsible and showing a lack of regard for others welfare. I hope this weighs on his conscience, yet he only seems to be concerned about his own PTSD and welfare.


  • #3704
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    The "rebel" side of the Irish has done us absolutely no favours since March

    We hate being told what to do. In this regard some people just need to grow up
    Indeed, especially being told they need to grow up! :)


  • #3705
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.

    It's more about t cells than antibodies. It's actually a good thing that antibodies fade as that means their job is done. The analogy I've seen is antibodies are the firemen putting the fire out and tcells are the fire department on call if they're needed.


  • #3706
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Is it time to shut down everything - construction sites, retail, restaurants etc at once again?

    6 week shut down?


  • #3707
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    First journalist I’ve heard ask if mandatory quarantine needs to be introduced now for tourists coming from hotspots. Good woman Sharon ní bheoláin


  • #3708
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    First journalist I’ve heard ask if mandatory quarantine needs to be introduced now for tourists coming from hotspots. Good woman Sharon ní bheoláin


  • #3709
    Ae Fond Kiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭Ae Fond Kiss


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    True. 56000 covid cases and only 264 deaths. Something doesn't add up.

    Apparently they wear a vial of gypsy tears to prevent fatal infection and seems to do the trick.


  • #3710
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tom1ie wrote: »
    First journalist I’ve heard ask if mandatory quarantine needs to be introduced now for tourists coming from hotspots. Good woman Sharon ní bheoláin
    Ryan has already said it isn't possible.


  • #3711
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Indeed, especially being told they need to grow up! :)

    ;)

    From what I've seen since March it is indeed the over 50s who need to grow up and cop on the most about this

    Too many in this demographic are going around like they're bulletproof. It's to be expected from under 20s, but seeing it in older people really surprised me


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  • #3712
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    This doesn't sit well at all.

    While the video was informative, by his own admission he only got an ICU bed because he had friends who were able to pull some strings with the Russian Government. So obviously ICU beds were hard to come by and at a premium.

    Him getting a bed would have come at the cost of someone else getting a bed - someone who maybe didn't ignore all travel advice and social distancing advice and decided to do a travel vlog in Serbia for their YouTube channel.

    Completely irresponsible and showing a lack of regard for others welfare. I hope this weighs on his conscience, yet he only seems to be concerned about his own PTSD and welfare.


    That's a rather big conclusion to jump to

    Travel is his full time job. It would be like giving out about a pilot getting an ICU bed


  • #3713
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    ;)

    From what I've seen since March it is indeed the over 50s who need to grow up and cop on the most about this

    Too many in this demographic are going around like they're bulletproof. It's to be expected from under 20s, but seeing it in older people really surprised me
    Not really, they owe you nothing is the attitude and it's very hard to shift them on it. They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things like mortality.


  • #3714
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1281108572580073473
    Dr. William Haseltine: "I hope Dr. Redfield ... was quoted out of context when he said it's very, very difficult for children to get sick. That is not true. Children get infected. They infect each other. They infect their parents. And when they do get sick, it is catastrophic."

    He goes on to say a friends child got it and just survived but because this virus can also leave brain damage they are watching carefully.


    ICU physician on long term sequelae (after recovery):
    https://twitter.com/maureviv/status/1279719477454811136

    Warning of serious brain issues after mild cases:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Children that have died from COVID19:
    https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1280930511527923713

    COVID19 survivors banned from joining military:
    https://twitter.com/dcharrison/status/1280349482228432896

    Even I can see this is scaremongering horse**** ...


  • #3715
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Is it time to shut down everything - construction sites, retail, restaurants etc at once again?

    6 week shut down?

    Why is that needed?


  • #3716
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not really, they owe you nothing is the attitude and it's very hard to shift them on it. They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things.

    Contrary to what you seem to believe, people over 50 don't spend their lives lamenting lost youth, counting down their remaining days, or playing fast and loose with the many years they hope they have ahead of them.


  • #3717
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not really, they owe you nothing is the attitude and it's very hard to shift them on it. They are also at the stage where they see less time ahead than is behind them so they can often care less about things like mortality.


    That all may be true



    But it doesn't make it right


  • #3718
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.
    Antibodies =/= immunity.
    There's way more to immunity than antibodies.


  • #3719
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Contrary to what you seem to believe, people over 50 don't spend their lives lamenting lost youth, counting down their remaining days, or playing fast and loose with the many years they hope they have ahead of them.
    Fascinating, how you got all that out of my post!


  • #3720
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,029 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The scientists have been talking about low to nonexistent antibody levels after infections and even those being short lived. That would seem to me to imply a vaccine might not be very effective if at all possible. So years it might be.

    Oxford have already said that their vaccine will produce a far stronger immune response than someone who contracts the virus normally would but it will still wear off over time.


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  • #3721
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    That all may be true



    But it doesn't make it right
    We all make our own judgement calls and I certainly haven't seen a whole lot of reckless behaviour from anyone over 30 and not a lot in the under 30s either.


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