FF/FG/Green Next Government

BonnieSituation wrote: »

No



Well, that's up to them. If they want to stick their fingers in their ears in the event of a UI and not engage with the governing of the nation, then who are we to stop them exercising their democratic right. It'll remain a free country.

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Why would Charlie come out and say this, in light of the HH scandal? Does he not realise that he's simultaneously condemning what she did?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/former-justice-minister-criticises-fianna-fail-td-for-writing-letter-to-judge-on-behalf-of-three-brothers-39351331.html

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Why would Charlie come out and say this, in light of the HH scandal? Does he not realise that he's simultaneously condemning what she did?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/former-justice-minister-criticises-fianna-fail-td-for-writing-letter-to-judge-on-behalf-of-three-brothers-39351331.html

Podge_irl wrote: »

The very running of a border poll is in the grace of the SOS for NI, and there is zero chance of the current UK govt allowing one, particularly with the issues they are facing up in Scotland.

Also, in reference to other points, Unionists in the North can safely refuse to engage with the Irish govt seeing as they are aware of the fact that NI remains part of the UK and will remain part of the UK for the foreseeable and there is A)very little republicans in the North and B)nothing we can do about it. I think it ideological stupidity, but they are clearly getting away with it. NI has had a worse economy than Ireland for decades at this point - even if Brexit/Covid/whatever is enough to shift the dial the idea it would happen in the time period of this coalition is absurd.

SCHEDULE 1
POLLS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SECTION 1
1. The Secretary of State may by order direct the holding of a poll for the
purposes of section 1 on a date specified in the order.
2. Subject to paragraph 3, the Secretary of State shall exercise the power
under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of
those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to
be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.
3. The Secretary of State shall not make an order under paragraph 1
earlier than seven years after the holding of a previous poll under this
Schedule.
4. (Remaining paragraphs along the lines of paragraphs 2 and 3 of existing
Schedule 1 to 1973 Act.)

efanton wrote: »

The SOS for Northern Ireland is obliged to call a referendum if it is clear to them that it is likely that a majority would vote in favour of a United Ireland.

Bowie wrote: »

So like the Dail voting, everyone is at it so *shrug*?
It's a low bar to set for FF/FG if anything goes.
Humphreys will get a pasting in the press.

markodaly wrote: »

Correct and at this moment in time, there is no clear signal where a majority would vote for it, in fact if it were held it would certainly be defeated.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Grovelling now our mister Flaherty.
This man stood on a platform of cleaning up Longford from the mess of traveller violence and drugs crime.
Then a wet week in he writes a letter to the court in a case for three men who were involved in a, stabbing incident, describing them as family men and hard workers and saying this was out of character for them.
Then claimed it wasn't a character reference?
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/longford/longford-td-regrets-writing-letter-men-convicted-violent-incident/

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Unionist Victims Rights campaigner Raymond McCourt's case against the SoS, where he attempted to compel the SoS to set out fixed criteria for a Border Poll, failed.

The court found that the SoS can use ANY criteria or any combination of criteria to reach a decision. He/She does not have to evidence it or justify it either.

markodaly wrote: »

Link to the ruling please?

In the present case the Secretary of State is given a discretionary power to order a border poll under Schedule 1 paragraph 1 even where she is not of the view that it is likely that the majority of voters would vote for Northern Ireland to cease to be part of the United Kingdom and to become part of a united Ireland. Under paragraph 2 she is subject to a duty to call a border poll “if at any time it appears to her” that a majority would be likely to vote in favour of leaving the United Kingdom and joining a united Ireland. The discretionary power as opposed to the mandatory duty to call a poll could be exercised by the Secretary of State for a number of different reasons and in different circumstances. For example, the Secretary of State could call a poll in order to give a quietus to the controversial question of a united Ireland for a period of time if she thinks that a majority would vote in favour of remaining in the United Kingdom. She could direct such a poll if there was a doubt in her mind as to whether a majority was to be found on one side or the other. She could decide to call such a poll if persuaded by political representatives that it would be desirable to sound the people out on the issue or to close the issue for a number of years. The precise circumstances and the political context of a decision are variable and highly political. Decision-making in this area requires a political assessment on the part of the Secretary of State and in this context political flexibility and judgment are called for. In such a context I am wholly unpersuaded by the argument that the Secretary of State is to be bound by a policy detailing the way in which that flexible and politically sensitive power is bound to be exercised.

McMurphy wrote: »

You'd have to feel pretty unloved and waisting a tremendous amount of time and energy if you're a loyalist so.