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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #3302
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    A noticeable lack of doom and gloom articles in the Irish media tonight. Obviously the numbers being consistently excellent have caused them to run out of steam. The day's deaths and cases has fallen way down in the Journal, IT doesn't seem to even have it on the home page but leads with the US cases reaching 3m - I mean, good for them, but what about how low our numbers are despite having most things open for a week and a half with thousands flying in and out of Dublin Airport each day?

    To the doom mongerers replying to each other the last couple of pages of this thread, I want to add anti-relaxers and flat curvers to the nicknames used.


  • #3303
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I very much doubt any company will do that. They would be for always losing people for 2 weeks. And it would involve an inappropriate amount of prying into people’s lives outside of work.

    The only reason some companies are insistent that people who have travelled stay away from the office for 14 days is not because of the infection risk, but rather that it is a government advisory / request for arrivals to self isolate, and they could get in trouble if they knowingly let someone return to the office in breach of this request, who then infects someone else
    A supermarket chain my friend works for says that even if you only take a week off work for your holidays and travel within Ireland, they'll require you to fill in a form detailing where you visited and your health profile on that day, and send it back three days before you're back into work. Also company policy there is that anyone's temperature is in the high 37s you have to consult with a GP about your health otherwise.

    Their shop policy (as well as my organisation's) has changed so that for any foreign travel will require two weeks of your own AL be taken upon return.

    In all likelihood based on the Principal's representative coming out today advising against foreign holidays, schools will individually require that any children who travel abroad do not attend school for two weeks.


  • #3304
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Hopefully a vaccine doesn't become the new nuclear fusion in that we will always be just 6 months from having one.

    Oxford have said they believe their vaccine will provide a few years immunity and 3x the immunity of actually contracting the illness. Astra zeneca are prepped to churn out 1 billion doses in two months. I think an Indian company are contracted to prepare doses for mid-low income nations as well. We could know by next month if it's the one and so far the scientists are liking what they see. A big thanks to all researchers working on this incredible project. Hopefully some of the lads who called them arrogant on Sunday will reflect a bit.


  • #3305
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,175 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    s1ippy wrote: »
    A supermarket chain my friend works for says that even if you only take a week off work for your holidays and travel within Ireland, they'll require you to fill in a form detailing where you visited and your health profile on that day, and send it back three days before you're back into work. Also company policy there is that anyone's temperature is in the high 37s you have to consult with a GP about your health otherwise.

    Why do they have that policy for travel in Ireland - one of the safest countries in the world at the moment
    They are taking it to the extreme there - foreign travel accepted, but just as much chance catching it walking down the street as driving a hundred miles down the road in Ireland


  • #3306
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,175 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Oxford have said they believe their vaccine will provide a few years immunity and 3x the immunity of actually contracting the illness. Astra zeneca are prepped to churn out 1 billion doses in two months. I think an Indian company are contracted to prepare doses for mid-low income nations as well. We could know by next month if it's the one and so far the scientists are liking what they see. A big thanks to all researchers working on this incredible project. Hopefully some of the lads who called them arrogant on Sunday will reflect a bit.

    Over what time frame? That is a lot or do you mean cumulative


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  • #3307
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Looks like Trump is dictating CDC policy now..


    https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1280925726087184387/photo/1


  • #3308
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Why do they have that policy for travel in Ireland - one of the safest countries in the world at the moment
    They are taking it to the extreme there - foreign travel accepted, but just as much chance catching it walking down the street as driving a hundred miles down the road in Ireland

    It's a massive breach of privacy. Whatever about supermarkets one of my worries is that higher rates of people working from home will lead to employers getting a foothold in their employees private lives.


  • #3309
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The only reason some companies are insistent that people who have travelled stay away from the office for 14 days is not because of the infection risk, but rather that it is a government advisory / request for arrivals to self isolate, and they could get in trouble if they knowingly let someone return to the office in breach of this request, who then infects someone else

    You are saying that the only reason is not infection risk and is infection risk.

    Certainly there are doomsayers on here, but there are a fair few pollyannas as well.


  • #3310
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Over what time frame? That is a lot or do you mean cumulative

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-vaccine-uk-latest-oxford-race-scientists-august-covid-19-trials-497704/amp

    There's an article I posted earlier. They don't go into detail as to when production will start but they say that Astra zeneca have 4 2000 litre bioreactors to mass produce the vaccine on that scale. I think maybe they need to wait until the phase 3 tests conclude and the relevant authorities are content to greenlight it.

    If you're interested in reading more you should look at the vaccine/treatment thread. Hmmz and hmmzis are the best posters there for updates.


  • #3311
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    s1ippy wrote: »
    A supermarket chain my friend works for says that even if you only take a week off work for your holidays and travel within Ireland, they'll require you to fill in a form detailing where you visited and your health profile on that day, and send it back three days before you're back into work. Also company policy there is that anyone's temperature is in the high 37s you have to consult with a GP about your health otherwise.

    Their shop policy (as well as my organisation's) has changed so that for any foreign travel will require two weeks of your own AL be taken upon return.

    I'm all for restrictions from high risk countries (hello UK and US!) But I would wonder how legally sound that supermarkets policy is as it's only government advice rather than a legal requirement to quarantine.


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  • #3312
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,175 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    questionmark? wrote: »
    I'm all for restrictions from high risk countries (hello UK and US!) But I would wonder how legally sound that supermarkets policy is as it's only government advice rather than a legal requirement to quarantine.

    Some vague memory but don't employers have absolutely no right to know what you do on your holidays


  • #3313
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    questionmark? wrote: »
    I'm all for restrictions from high risk countries (hello UK and US!) But I would wonder how legally sound that supermarkets policy is as it's only government advice rather than a legal requirement to quarantine.

    I doubt you'd win your case for unfair dismissal, if you were dismissed for a breach of company rules that reflect government advice.


  • #3314
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Also I'm pretty sure the company and individual employee would both have a bigger problem on their hands if their staff and customers got sick because these sorts of precautions weren't taken to protect people against transmission.


  • #3315
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    seamus wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, is this information announcement from NewsTalk or an official government ad?

    Newstalk would be very much on the conservative, "save the economy" end of the spectrum, so it would be interesting to see if this is something they've rolled with alone.

    As from the Irish times today.


  • #3316
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well the fire chief of Tuscaloosa, Alabama doesn't agree as he confirmed to that city's council of that behaviour happening.

    No he didn't. If you read the articles, all he says is that he "confirmed" that others had "heard of" similar events. He doesn't actually offer the names of schools where this is apparently taking place or any names of confirmed cases. The same has been going around about other places and already been retracted as nonsense.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/walla-walla-county-retracts-claim-about-coronavirus-parties-says-they-never-occurred/


  • #3317
    Lollipop95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    What is the news about Northern Italy? I just read on Twitter that one of their hospitals that was at the epi-centre is doing brilliantly now. I think Brazil and the US are the countries that should be most worried now. One of the expert doctors in the US, Dr. Fauci, is continuously warning what will happen if everything completely opens up and people refuse to wear masks, but it seems TPTB will refuse to listen to him.


  • #3318
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    What is the news about Northern Italy? I just read on Twitter that one of their hospitals that was at the epi-centre is doing brilliantly now
    Hospital ICUs are empty


  • #3319
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,272 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    tom1ie wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53329946

    Interesting study backed by 230 doctors/researchers showing c19 is spread through airborne aerosols and can travel further than the 2m SD rule with regard to enclosed spaces.
    Has implications for healthcare workers who would be working at close quarters with the virus.
    It would explain the high rates of infection among healthcare workers and also how a unit of healthcare workers in Italy (I seen this on the sky documentary that went into the hospitals in bergamo and Milan) were unaffected when they wore the sealed bio hazard suits.
    Apparently the who are reluctant to back the claims as there just wouldn’t be enough of this kind of ppe to go around.

    Grim reading.

    I've masked up in the shops , but in the office nope. I've done social distancing and washed my hands to death so not reckless but as an office worker would have to consider wearing a mask now when working.

    Makes my evening walk more dicey than I thought it was also.


  • #3320
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No he didn't. If you read the articles, all he says is that he "confirmed" that others had "heard of" similar events. He doesn't actually offer the names of schools where this is apparently taking place or any names of confirmed cases. The same has been going around about other places and already been retracted as nonsense.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/walla-walla-county-retracts-claim-about-coronavirus-parties-says-they-never-occurred/

    Tuscaloosa Alabama is where Itssoeasy is talking about, Walla Walla over 2000km away.


  • #3321
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Grim reading.

    I've masked up in the shops , but in the office nope. I've done social distancing and washed my hands to death so not reckless but as an office worker would have to consider wearing a mask now when working.

    Makes my evening walk more dicey than I thought it was also.
    I think this report has had too much media attention. As someone said earlier, it may be a way it could spread, but it isn't the dominant way it can spread. If it was airborne in a very virulent way, we'd all have it at this stage.


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  • #3322
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I doubt you'd win your case for unfair dismissal, if you were dismissed for a breach of company rules that reflect government advice.

    Yes and no. I am not sure it would hold up if the Government advice was contrary to freedom of movement.


  • #3323
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    The main hospital in Bergamo now has no Covid patients in ICU. A tough fight.

    https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/topnews/2020/07/08/intensiva-ospedale-bergamo-e-covid-free_75328b17-223d-466b-ad06-b43819ddf29a.html


  • #3324
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Tuscaloosa Alabama is where Itssoeasy is talking about, Walla Walla over 2000km away.

    Yes I am aware. Just pointing out how rumours of similar parties have already been proven to be completely made up. Just like the Alabama ones will be

    Here you go, there is absolutely zero evidence that this is actually happening. Should be easy to find in the age of social media right? But colleges, health services and police can't find any, its all based on hearsay. It has all the hallmarks of an urban/internet myth.

    https://www.wtvy.com/2020/07/06/covid-19-parties-in-tuscaloosa-whats-really-going-on/


  • #3325
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    No HSE daily operations update tonight. I wonder if it has gone into single figures whether they're claiming privacy.


  • #3326
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yes I am aware. Just pointing out how rumours of similar parties have already been proven to be completely made up. Just like the Alabama ones will be

    Here you go, there is absolutely zero evidence that this is actually happening. Should be easy to find in the age of social media right? But colleges, health services and police can't find any, its all based on hearsay. It has all the hallmarks of an urban/internet myth.

    https://www.wtvy.com/2020/07/06/covid-19-parties-in-tuscaloosa-whats-really-going-on/

    The original story https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-students-throwing-covid-parties-infected-officials/story?id=71552514

    "We thought that was kind of a rumor at first," Smith told the council members. "We did some research. Not only do the doctors' offices confirm it but the state confirmed they also had the same information."

    Just because there is no absolute proof of something happening does not mean it didn't happen. Students are not going to admit attending these events because it could mean getting kicked out of their college.


  • #3327
    questionmark?
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    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I doubt you'd win your case for unfair dismissal, if you were dismissed for a breach of company rules that reflect government advice.

    Employer: what did you do on your time off
    Employee: I wasn't working
    Employer: you travel
    Employee: I was on annual leave
    Employer: where
    Employee: I wasn't working
    ..............................................
    So question remains what legal option does an employer have to force employees to tell them what they do on their time off once they are not doing anything illegal that resulted in a criminal offence which is against most professional contracts but travelling is not illegal.
    I'm not disagreeing nor agreeing with the supermarkets policy but questioning their legal stance that is unlikely to be legally sound unless a sols on here can maybe clarify?


  • #3328
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Interesting seroprevalence studies in Brazil, determined an IFR of 0.45% in areas with low infection such as rural areas
    https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/hnjx70/populationbased_surveys_of_antibodies_against/

    But around 1% in areas with high level of infection (such as major cities)https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.30.20117531v1.full.pdf

    May well be because of hospital resources being strained in densely populated areas.

    Also interesting is the fact that these seropevalence studies have predicted an IFR similar to most of Europe, which is odd when you think how much younger Brazil's population is than that of Europe, perhaps that protective youth factor is outweighed by factors such as malnutrition,poverty, poorer healthcare in Brazil. Either way, looks like developing countries are and will suffer as high a proportion of deaths as Europe


  • #3329
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,175 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Why would factors of the community affect seroprevalence

    Just did a quick google and two results have it at 5% for Geneva and Spain
    So by all accounts it isn't that widespread in Brazil

    Maybe I don't understand this enough and missing some point there


  • #3330
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    US off the scale. God help them. This is what happens when people throw around fake news at anything they disagree with. No matter the evidence.



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  • #3331
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Employer: what did you do on your time off
    Employee: I wasn't working
    Employer: you travel
    Employee: I was on annual leave
    Employer: where
    Employee: I wasn't working
    ..............................................
    So question remains what legal option does an employer have to force employees to tell them what they do on their time off once they are not doing anything illegal that resulted in a criminal offence which is against most professional contracts but travelling is not illegal.
    I'm not disagreeing nor agreeing with the supermarkets policy but questioning their legal stance that is unlikely to be legally sound unless a sols on here can maybe clarify?

    How would that work out.

    Employer aside: Let's manage this awkward d1ck out of here as fast as we can.

    BTW, ignoring gov. advice could reasonably be considered reckless. Then reckless endangering your colleagues and clients, good luck with that.


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