Is it just me or have SF vanished?

rdwight · 08-07-2020 03:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not true.

As the leaders of SF pointed out, if it had been the week before it would not have happened the way it did.

And you believe them.

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 03:57PM

rdwight wrote: »

And you believe them.

Yes. Why would I doubt it?

SF cancelled as many events as anyone else and took the pandemic as seriously as anyone else.

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 04:04PM

Bowie wrote: »

You haven't lived obviously
You lads are desperate to squeeze anything out of this. Family wanted the funeral they had. That's all you need to know.

And so did many many other families want a funeral. Unlike the Sinn Fein family, those other families, thousands of them, didn't get the funeral they wanted for the last few months. Only Sinn Fein got the funeral they wanted.

The arrogance of your response would put Donald Trump to shame.

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 04:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not true.

As the leaders of SF pointed out, if it had been the week before it would not have happened the way it did.

As has been pointed out to the leaders of Sinn Fein who said that, the revised regulations, while announced previously, did not come into force until later in the day of the Storey display.

rdwight · 08-07-2020 04:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes. Why would I doubt it?

SF cancelled as many events as anyone else and took the pandemic as seriously as anyone else.

Then perhaps they could have at least respected the rules about social distancing at the funeral (eg pallbearers, Michelle's selfie)

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 04:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When any party turn out for a funeral of a member and give a graveside oration and guard of honour etc...is that a funeral for 'political purposes' too?

We all know it was partly political, many funerals are used this way. The funeral of a broadcaster will eulogise his career and input...is that to be taken as an ad for the broadcaster?
Jaysus blanch do you have any self awareness at all about the level you are stooping to here?

Yes, I have seen it happen for real funerals, but not in the pandemic, there are examples of other parties in the North - DUP, SDLP - burying their dead without all the fanfare of the Sinn Fein carry-on. And they were real funerals, not the fake funeral carry-on that Sinn Fein engaged in.

joeguevara · 08-07-2020 04:12PM

Happyilylost wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0701/1150731-northern-ireland/

Police are investigating potential breaches of coronavirus lockdown rules that restrict outdoor public gatherings to 30 people.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-recovery-plan

Indoor activities involving larger number of individuals where social distancing can be maintained for individuals who do not share a household connection. Outdoor activities involving larger groups of less than 30 people during which it may be difficult to maintain social distancing but where contacts are brief (less than 10 minutes).

Again, where is the actual breach of the law. And who determines who is in the 30 people. Again this is fairly simple stuff. Show me the law. Show me the provision. Show me the breach. Its my 5th time of asking.

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 04:12PM

rdwight wrote: »

Then perhaps they could have at least respected the rules about social distancing at the funeral (eg pallbearers, Michelle's selfie)

Yes, that is where I was critical of them. Clear breaches of distancing regs.

joeguevara · 08-07-2020 04:14PM

rdwight wrote: »

Then perhaps they could have at least respected the rules about social distancing at the funeral (eg pallbearers, Michelle's selfie)

I have seen no evidence of any high ranking member of SF not adhering to social distancing. A person who requested a selfie is now what people are calling for the resignation?

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 04:15PM

blanch152 wrote: »

And so did many many other families want a funeral. Unlike the Sinn Fein family, those other families, thousands of them, didn't get the funeral they wanted for the last few months. Only Sinn Fein got the funeral they wanted.

The arrogance of your response would put Donald Trump to shame.

The SDLP buried a member where there were clear breaches. So too did the Gardai and the people of this state.

Not a word of criticism, here, in the Dáil, or the Executive. Rightly so IMO and we know why, because people have compassion and empathy and were prepared to give some latitude to those grieving.

maccored · 08-07-2020 04:15PM

so now we're bitching about someone getting buried. you couldnt make it up. the shinners are obviously doing something right

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 04:18PM

maccored wrote: »

so now we're bitching about someone getting buried. you couldnt make it up. the shinners are obviously doing something right

He wasn't buried, it was all a fake, that is one of the problems.

rdwight · 08-07-2020 04:20PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I have seen no evidence of any high ranking member of SF not adhering to social distancing. A person who requested a selfie is now what people are calling for the resignation?

Here's a quote from the "Department of Health (Northern Ireland) Updated Interim Guidelines for Funeral Directors on managing infection risks when handling deceased":

"63.0 It is recommended that coffin “lifts” should not take place unless pallbearers all reside in the same house. It is unlikely that pallbearers would be able to maintain a 2 metre distance from each other, and such practices should not be permitted"

You can find it at https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/publica...rounding-death

maccored · 08-07-2020 04:21PM

blanch152 wrote: »

He wasn't buried, it was all a fake, that is one of the problems.

so cremations arent funerals now ... jaysus

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 04:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

He wasn't buried, it was all a fake, that is one of the problems.

Only for those who didn't know what was happening blanch.

If you know what a 'magician' is doing it isn't magic. Geddit?

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 04:24PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Again, where is the actual breach of the law. And who determines who is in the 30 people. Again this is fairly simple stuff. Show me the law. Show me the provision. Show me the breach. Its my 5th time of asking.

So government guidelines for Covid-19 are published, people are expected to adhere to them, they aren't put into law, but if Michelle O'Neill, Mary-Lou McDonald or any other politician breaches the guidelines, they have no case to answer, is that your position?

If it is, consider this. There is no law against travelling to Lanzarote, people are advised against it. So, if Leo or Micheal headed off for a week to Lanzarote and topped up their tan in the sun, you would have no issue with that?

Bishop of hope · 08-07-2020 04:26PM

maccored wrote: »

so cremations arent funerals now ... jaysus

It's a, bit unusual to bring a coffin to a cemetery and then to a crematorium I would have thought, kinda like, the cart before the horse is it not.
But that's no surprise with SF involved is it.

rdwight · 08-07-2020 04:26PM

maccored wrote: »

so cremations arent funerals now ... jaysus

I know it might be tiresome for you, but maybe read through the last few pages.

Happyilylost · 08-07-2020 04:27PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Again, where is the actual breach of the law. And who determines who is in the 30 people. Again this is fairly simple stuff. Show me the law. Show me the provision. Show me the breach. Its my 5th time of asking.

Enough spoonfeeding princess. Ask the PSNI why they are investigating. I posted credible sources to show regulations/guidelines are less than 30 at an outdoor public event. And I provided a source to show that if these guidelines are breached the PSNI are in a position to take action. Same powers the PSNI used to issue fines for house parties/BBQ's family gatherings throughout this crisis. The action they decide to take is upon themselves. Wide ranging powers (like those given to An Garda Siochana) were given to the PSNI on the 28th of March. Link provided previously. The law is the PSNI are the law.

joeguevara · 08-07-2020 05:03PM

Happyilylost wrote: »

Enough spoonfeeding princess. Ask the PSNI why they are investigating. I posted credible sources to show regulations/guidelines are less than 30 at an outdoor public event. And I provided a source to show that if these guidelines are breached the PSNI are in a position to take action. Same powers the PSNI used to issue fines for house parties/BBQ's family gatherings throughout this crisis. The action they decide to take is upon themselves. Wide ranging powers (like those given to An Garda Siochana) were given to the PSNI on the 28th of March. Link provided previously. The law is the PSNI are the law.

Hold on a second here. The PSNI, and indeed any Law Enforcement are not the Law. We have a separation of powers and the police are not Legislators.

Spoonfeeding eh? You have shown me nothing, no law, no evidence of same. Enough of the princess talk. If there was a law breach, you would show me one. You cant. Just admit that you cant.

And are you telling me, that there are calls for Sinn Fein High Ranking officials to resign over the same issue as someone having a house party or BBQ. Well that is amazing.

Mortelaro · 08-07-2020 05:13PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Hold on a second here. The PSNI, and indeed any Law Enforcement are not the Law. We have a separation of powers and the police are not Legislators.

Spoonfeeding eh? You have shown me nothing, no law, no evidence of same. Enough of the princess talk. If there was a law breach, you would show me one. You cant. Just admit that you cant.

And are you telling me, that there are calls for Sinn Fein High Ranking officials to resign over the same issue as someone having a house party or BBQ. Well that is amazing.

You are carrying on as if the NI executive did not give the PSNI the authority to fine up to £5000 via powers transferred to them by the Covid 19 UK act 2020 for gatherings that are not allowed at the moment

I don't know what your purpose is in such an exercise or if you were told to engage posters in the legislation goose chase but as far as I'm concerned I've been helpful and the information is there
As I understand it,the executive sets the fines

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 05:18PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Hold on a second here. The PSNI, and indeed any Law Enforcement are not the Law. We have a separation of powers and the police are not Legislators.

Spoonfeeding eh? You have shown me nothing, no law, no evidence of same. Enough of the princess talk. If there was a law breach, you would show me one. You cant. Just admit that you cant.

And are you telling me, that there are calls for Sinn Fein High Ranking officials to resign over the same issue as someone having a house party or BBQ. Well that is amazing.

Except it isn't the same issue as someone having a house party. Maybe you could respond to the question I posed?

blanch152 wrote: »

So government guidelines for Covid-19 are published, people are expected to adhere to them, they aren't put into law, but if Michelle O'Neill, Mary-Lou McDonald or any other politician breaches the guidelines, they have no case to answer, is that your position?

If it is, consider this. There is no law against travelling to Lanzarote, people are advised against it. So, if Leo or Micheal headed off for a week to Lanzarote and topped up their tan in the sun, you would have no issue with that?

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 05:22PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are carrying on as if the NI executive did not give the PSNI the authority to fine up to £5000 via powers transferred to them by the Covid 19 UK act 2020 for gatherings that are not allowed at the moment

I don't know what your purpose is in such an exercise or if you were told to engage posters in the legislation goose chase but as far as I'm concerned I've been helpful and the information is there
As I understand it,the executive sets the fines

The PSNI were told what the plans were.

They didn't intervene or say that regs were being broken at that stage.

So it looks to me that all they will be doing is looking at how close people were to one another and assessing if that was a breach and if SF or the individuals are the guilty parties.

If they find fault with the 'plans' then they are finding fault with themselves as well.

Bishop of hope · 08-07-2020 05:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PSNI were told what the plans were.

They didn't intervene or say that regs were being broken at that stage.

So it looks to me that all they will be doing is looking at how close people were to one another and assessing if that was a breach and if SF or the individuals are the guilty parties.

If they find fault with the 'plans' then they are finding fault with themselves as well.

I'm not too sure on that one, they claim differently.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psni-deny-mary-lou-mcdonald-claim-that-force-involved-in-planning-of-bobby-storey-funeral-39337494.html

rdwight · 08-07-2020 05:35PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Hold on a second here. The PSNI, and indeed any Law Enforcement are not the Law. We have a separation of powers and the police are not Legislators.

Spoonfeeding eh? You have shown me nothing, no law, no evidence of same. Enough of the princess talk. If there was a law breach, you would show me one. You cant. Just admit that you cant.

And are you telling me, that there are calls for Sinn Fein High Ranking officials to resign over the same issue as someone having a house party or BBQ. Well that is amazing.

Leaders in society are supposed to display higher standards of behaviour than us plebs. It's called leadership. If a political leader was caught planning or attending a house party or BBQ without strict social distancing then I would consider that a resigning matter.

I don't know if I would consider attendance at the Storey funeral a resigning matter but it was extremely ill-advised. It was totally predictable that social distancing rules would not be maintained at such a gathering

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sinn-fein-says-michelle-oneill-staying-put-after-bobby-storey-funeral-furore-bdvpd32bv

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/30/news/size-of-the-crowd-at-bobby-storey-funeral-draws-criticism-from-sinn-fein-s-political-rivals-1990906/

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 05:38PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I'm not too sure on that one, they claim differently.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psni-deny-mary-lou-mcdonald-claim-that-force-involved-in-planning-of-bobby-storey-funeral-39337494.html

The PSNI and gardai will protect themselves when controversy arises. Read between the lines. They were aware of what was planeed. It is there in the quoted bit.

Accordingly we were made aware of the plans for Tuesday’s funeral and local officers engaged with the celebrant and service organisers to highlight both the public health advice and risks around Covid-19, and the requirement for those attending to adhere to social distancing.
We had assurances that those attending would observe the health guidelines and that marshals would be in place to encourage those lining the cortege route to observe social distancing.

If they deviated from the plan then they are going to be fined/penalised.

Iff they were lax on social distancing then the fines will be appropriate to that.

blanch152 · 08-07-2020 05:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PSNI were told what the plans were.

They didn't intervene or say that regs were being broken at that stage.

So it looks to me that all they will be doing is looking at how close people were to one another and assessing if that was a breach and if SF or the individuals are the guilty parties.

If they find fault with the 'plans' then they are finding fault with themselves as well.

Except, as you well know, because it has been pointed out to you several times, with links, the PSNI did not agree to the arrangements.

Stop peddling lies on this.

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 05:51PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Except, as you well know, because it has been pointed out to you several times, with links, the PSNI did not agree to the arrangements.

Stop peddling lies on this.

I didn't say they agreed or disagreed. I said they were aware of the plan as they had officers stationed at the church, graveyard and crematorium.

dundalkfc10 · 08-07-2020 05:53PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Except, as you well know, because it has been pointed out to you several times, with links, the PSNI did not agree to the arrangements.

Stop peddling lies on this.

cal officers engaged with the celebrant and service organisers to highlight both the public health advice and risks around Covid-19, and the requirement for those attending to adhere to social distancing.

gossipgirl123 · 08-07-2020 06:14PM

Why was Bobby so deserving of such a large gathering funeral.....haven't read much good on the man.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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