Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

fr336 · 08-07-2020 04:02PM

ZX7R wrote: »

You have made an extremely valid point.
People need to learn to live with it.
I would go as far as saying that the government should promote it.
The main problem is the Media ,they go out of there way to promote fear.

The media are reporting the facts. Would you prefer they didn't? They report the facts on positive news days. They report the facts on negative news days. Would you prefer they didn't do this?

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 04:12PM

speckle wrote: »

Yes but what if you are repatrioting and the family home has high risk people? City west was for that and staff working aswell in hospitals..

Fair enough but please take back that I do not have the evidence and hence inferring I was making it up. If that of course, was what you were doing. Thanking you in advance.

City West was for people to self isolate who otherwise couldn't. ie people in a house share situation among other reasons.
My comment about the anecdote you posted is just that you are not in a position to give details on the thread so as I said I don't see the reason for doing so.

fr336 · 08-07-2020 04:16PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Or maybe don't commit a crime and get sent to prison.

Ah now it all makes sense. I'm guessing you're a these things happen to other people through their own fault conservative kinda guy right? Nobody could falsely be imprisoned in one of these countries, or indeed any country? And you think any level of crime, including not paying a TV license, is worthy of the death penalty of Covid? Wow. Not even going to take your posts seriously anymore, thought I just disagree with you before but this explains why you seem to value the economy over lives.

ZX7R · 08-07-2020 04:21PM

fr336 wrote: »

The media are reporting the facts. Would you prefer they didn't? They report the facts on positive news days. They report the facts on negative news days. Would you prefer they didn't do this?

I'd prefer the media to actually report facts good or bad.
Not reporting personal views of associated medical expert's good or bad.

fr336 · 08-07-2020 04:25PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I'd prefer the media to actually report facts good or bad.
Not reporting personal views of associated medical expert's good or bad.

So we should wait forever for things to be peer reviewed before the public get access to information? There are endless sources of media online and offline - never in history have people had such choice. If we waited for things to be certain where would we be? Still in lockdown, perhaps

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 04:28PM

fr336 wrote: »

Ah now it all makes sense. I'm guessing you're a these things happen to other people through their own fault conservative kinda guy right? Nobody could falsely be imprisoned in one of these countries, or indeed any country? And you think any level of crime, including not paying a TV license, is worthy of the death penalty of Covid? Wow. Not even going to take your posts seriously anymore, thought I just disagree with you before but this explains why you seem to value the economy over lives.

Posts such as yours amuse me, firstly no one in Ireland gets sent to prison for none payment of a TV licence, what the law in the UK is I don't know as unlike you I don't live there. This is fact, you do however may face jail for non payment of a court imposed fine. No seriously when you post nonsense such as telling me what I must think I know your comments are utter rubbish and to be dismissed with the contempt they deserve.
Now I suggest if you want to make personal comments about an anonymous poster on an internet forum it would appear you have far too much invested here and maybe take a break.

ACitizenErased · 08-07-2020 04:30PM

Issues in Dublin?
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280885803489599488?s=21

ZX7R · 08-07-2020 04:33PM

fr336 wrote: »

So we should wait forever for things to be peer reviewed before the public get access to information? There are endless sources of media online and offline - never in history have people had such choice. If we waited for things to be certain where would we be? Still in lockdown, perhaps

Personal views are been used for agendas either to drive fear or positivity.
Till it's peer reviewed it not worth much bar to create a click bate headline

ACitizenErased · 08-07-2020 04:35PM

Latest testing update

Total Tests (Last 24 hours): 4361
Total Tests (Last 7 days): 44,169
Positive Tests (Last 24 hours): 20
Positivity Rate (Last 7 days): 0.2%

what the hell! · 08-07-2020 04:35PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Issues in Dublin?
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280885803489599488?s=21

The media are painful at this stage. Just because they've submitted people for tests doesn't mean anything. Nearly anyone can get a test at the moment. I have a runny nose at the moment, doesn't mean I have Corona. With the weather at the moment people are going to be getting colds.

fr336 · 08-07-2020 04:36PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Posts such as yours amuse me, firstly no one in Ireland gets sent to prison for none payment of a TV licence, what the law in the UK is I don't know as unlike you I don't live there. This is fact, you do however may face jail for non payment of a court imposed fine. No seriously when you post nonsense such as telling me what I must think I know your comments are utter rubbish and to be dismissed with the contempt they deserve.
Now I suggest if you want to make personal comments about an anonymous poster on an internet forum it would appear you have far too much invested here and maybe take a break.

I was giving you an opportunity to prove me wrong - that you're not the conservative type who thinks anyone in prison is guilty and deserves whatever they get. Shame. You didn't reply to me at all, you just went on about amusement and contempt and yet again the anti restriction clique tries to hound someone off a thread. No thanks.

fr336 · 08-07-2020 04:39PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Personal views are been used for agendas either to drive fear or positivity.
Till it's peer reviewed it not worth much bar to create a click bate headline

But we need click bait to keep the economy going.

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 04:40PM

fr336 wrote: »

I was giving you an opportunity to prove me wrong - that you're not the conservative type who thinks anyone in prison is guilty and deserves whatever they get. Shame. You didn't reply to me at all, you just went on about amusement and contempt and yet again the anti restriction clique tries to hound someone off a thread. No thanks.

Sure you had already told me what I think. I was just pointing out how you are factually incorrect regards Irish law.
Ah yes the hounding of others off the thread allegations surely by now you have found the report function. Why not use it instead of this pathetic response when someone shows a different reaction to the constant hysteria?

bb1234567 · 08-07-2020 04:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Issues in Dublin?
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280885803489599488?s=21

Perhaps let's wait for the numbers to come out before going mad! A referral means absolutely nothing if it doesn't come up positive!

What Username Guidelines · 08-07-2020 04:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Issues in Dublin?
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280885803489599488?s=21

Community referrals look to be up around 12,000

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-8-july-2020.pdf

Rob A. Bank · 08-07-2020 04:44PM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Why is Israel being hit so badly right now? I thought they had been doing well initially.

Apparently in early June the Israeli government approved indoor events of up to 250 people for weddings and religious ceremonies such as circumcisions and bar and bat mitzvahs.

This was at a time when all other gatherings were limited to 50 people and had to be held outdoors. Netanyahu’s dependence on religious parties may have had something to do with the decision

Israel's top public health official resigned on Tuesday, claiming leaders ignored her warnings and reopened the country too quickly, driving a new surge of COVID-19 cases that officials are scrambling to contain.

In recent days, Israel has had record-high numbers of around 1,100 daily infections, nearly twice the peak seen in the spring, with serious cases doubling about every four days.

ACitizenErased · 08-07-2020 04:45PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Perhaps let's wait for the numbers to come out before going mad! A referral means absolutely nothing if it doesn't come up positive!

Im expecting the vast majority of yesterdays 24 to be from Dublin.

Away With The Fairies · 08-07-2020 04:47PM

what the hell! wrote: »

The media are painful at this stage. Just because they've submitted people for tests doesn't mean anything. Nearly anyone can get a test at the moment. I have a runny nose at the moment, doesn't mean I have Corona. With the weather at the moment people are going to be getting colds.

Thinking you have a cold and carrying on as normal is very dangerous behaviour. Covid can cause very mild symptoms in some people. There was a post in an earlier thread with somebody testing positive and they just had a runny nose.

What Username Guidelines · 08-07-2020 04:47PM

what the hell! wrote: »

The media are painful at this stage. Just because they've submitted people for tests doesn't mean anything. Nearly anyone can get a test at the moment. I have a runny nose at the moment, doesn't mean I have Corona. With the weather at the moment people are going to be getting colds.

Weather doesn't give people colds.

fr336 · 08-07-2020 04:49PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Sure you had already told me what I think. I was just pointing out how you are factually incorrect regards Irish law.
Ah yes the hounding of others off the thread allegations surely by now you have found the report function. Why not use it instead of this pathetic response when someone shows a different reaction to the constant hysteria?

I see no constant hysteria, just constant downplaying. I wasn't talking about Irish law, that's why I said "these countries" aka the USA and co. Anyway do you have a law degree or something

stephenjmcd · 08-07-2020 04:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Issues in Dublin?
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1280885803489599488?s=21

Sorry but that's blatant BS from that doctor, we all know who he is, he's been on TV frequently. Only 2 weeks ago he was on virgin media, one of the days saying he had referred 5 people for tests on that specific day and that he was getting busier. I remember the news piece as it was regarding minority communities in North Dublin.

So today he referred 1 more person than 2 weeks ago ?? The same doctor who said the second wave was 2 weeks away because of people in Dame Lane.

Again just because people meet the clinical diagnosis it doesn't mean they test postive.

My GP is referring anyone who has as much as a sniffle but she's not coming out every day and saying I've referred x amount of people.

Non solum non ambulabit · 08-07-2020 04:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest testing update

Total Tests (Last 24 hours): 4361
Total Tests (Last 7 days): 44,169
Positive Tests (Last 24 hours): 20
Positivity Rate (Last 7 days): 0.2%

Some of those tests could be retests of known cases?

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 04:52PM

fr336 wrote: »

I see no constant hysteria, just constant downplaying. I wasn't talking about Irish law, that's why I said "these countries" aka the USA and co. Anyway do you have a law degree or something

I'm not engaging in a two and fro with you. Any issue you have with my comments consult a Mod. Getting personal doesn't end well for anyone.

ACitizenErased · 08-07-2020 04:53PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Some of those tests could be retests of known cases?

Yeah, usually about half

Non solum non ambulabit · 08-07-2020 04:53PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Apparently in early June the Israeli government approved indoor events of up to 250 people for weddings and religious ceremonies such as circumcisions and bar and bat mitzvahs.

This was at a time when all other gatherings were limited to 50 people and had to be held outdoors. Netanyahu’s dependence on religious parties may have had something to do with the decision

Israel's top public health official resigned on Tuesday, claiming leaders ignored her warnings and reopened the country too quickly, driving a new surge of COVID-19 cases that officials are scrambling to contain.

In recent days, Israel has had record-high numbers of around 1,100 daily infections, nearly twice the peak seen in the spring, with serious cases doubling about every four days.

I worry about Churches more than people drinking on the street. It's a mistake to give them special dispensation IMO.

Non solum non ambulabit · 08-07-2020 04:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sorry but that's blatant BS from that doctor, we all know who he is, he's been on TV frequently. Only 2 weeks ago he was on virgin media, one of the days saying he had referred 5 people for tests on that specific day and that he was getting busier. I remember the news piece as it was regarding minority communities in North Dublin.

So today he referred 1 more person than 2 weeks ago ?? The same doctor who said the second wave was 2 weeks away because of people in Dame Lane.

Again just because people meet the clinical diagnosis it doesn't mean they test postive.

My GP is referring anyone who has as much as a sniffle but she's not coming out every day and saying I've referred x amount of people.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, this will not be known to 99% of people reading that story.

tom1ie · 08-07-2020 04:57PM

I see nothings changed on this thread anyway :rolleyes::D

Snickers Man · 08-07-2020 04:58PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Taking my figures from the Worldometers website, it is clear that sometime in the next 24 hours, the USA (pop: 331m] will overtake the entire 27 countries of the EU [pop: 445m] in terms of the number of Covid related deaths.

From a snapshot of data taken at 4:30 today, the US has lost more people to Covid than the entire European Union.

Country Deaths
Italy 34,899
France 29,933
Spain 28,392
Belgium 9,776
Germany 9,105
Netherlands 6,135
Sweden 5,447
Romania 1,817
Ireland 1,742
Portugal 1,629
Poland 1,542
Austria 706
Denmark 609
Hungary 589
Czechia 351
Finland 329
Bulgaria 254
Greece 193
Croatia 114
Slovenia 111
Luxembourg 110
Lithuania 79
Estonia 69
Latvia 30
Slovakia 28
Cyprus 19
Malta 9

Total 134,017

USA death total 134,140

Even if you were to add in the micro states that are surrounded, well more or less, by the EU, that would bring the total up to 134112, still less than the US.

Andorra 52
San Marino 42
Liechtenstein 1
Vatican City 0

Source: worldometers.info
I think the margin is only going to widen now, even if there is a resurgence in some European states as lockdowns are eased. Mind you, just as well the Brits have removed themselves from the figures, eh?

An Ciarraioch · 08-07-2020 05:00PM

The number of daily Spanish infections has more than doubled since yesterday, from 124 to 257 - Catalonia and Galicia are making most of the headlines, but Aragon has recorded 60 new cases, Madrid 35, and 28 in Andalusia:

https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/cifra-diaria-nuevos-contagios-dispara-257_1_6091089.html

stephenjmcd · 08-07-2020 05:01PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, this will not be known to 99% of people reading that story.

Yup, I remember watching him say the exact same stuff roughly 2 weeks ago, it was a piece from the community assessment hub out at the mater hospital.

Just as I had finished putting up a reply my own brother just came in from our GP, he has an underactive thyroid and just gets the general checkup every so often, apart from that he's absolutely fine, but guess what she offered him a referral for a test. Seems to be a common practise now around the country that its offered to anyone symptoms or not.

I'm unsure if this is still the case but at the start I think GPS were getting paid for each referral.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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