F1 season start - Austria

AMKC · 07-07-2020 11:54am

Top Dog wrote: »

Saw somewhere last night that Landos fastest lap was identical to the fastest lap in 2019 done by Max - to the thousandth! :eek::cool:

That's right. It's still not the fastest lap on this track do. That honour goes to the Iceman himself aka Kimi.

LollipopJimmy · 07-07-2020 12:05pm

Mike3287 wrote: »

A 2 second a lap difference between lap 66 and 71 suggests car was coasting along?

They are babying those cars so much?

Also burning a lot of fuel, the three safety car stints would have given the excess. Plus driving on the ragged edge for a few laps is one thing but over a prolonged period you will crash.

quokula · 07-07-2020 2:35pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Also burning a lot of fuel, the three safety car stints would have given the excess. Plus driving on the ragged edge for a few laps is one thing but over a prolonged period you will crash.

And this is what separated the good from the great. See Hungary 1998 for a perfect example. There's no such thing as a driver who needs to be capable of driving on the ragged edge for a prolonged period anymore because the cars can't do that.

ELM327 · 07-07-2020 2:38pm

quokula wrote: »

And this is what separated the good from the great. See Hungary 1998 for a perfect example. There's no such thing as a driver who needs to be capable of driving on the ragged edge for a prolonged period anymore because the cars can't do that.

MSC had a good few races that were 1.5-2 hours of quali laps in order to make the strategy work. No one does that anymore, and I suspect few, even Alonso or the likes of Max etc would be up to it.

As you say, that's what separates the good, from the great, from the mercurial. There's only 1 in that "god" tier and that's MSC

quokula · 07-07-2020 2:39pm

BikeRacer wrote: »

And to think if only Bottas thought to ask this to his race engineer every race about Hamilton, he might have 3 world championships by now.

Funny you should bring this up, because a few years ago Sky kept playing up that Nico Rosberg was doing just that. In light of general negative reaction to this from fans, the FIA banned driver coaching over the radio. It quickly turned out that it was Lewis who suffered badly without the coaching though, and he could barely drive his car in Baku because he didn't know how to put it in the correct mode, so they scrapped the ban straight after.

BikeRacer · 07-07-2020 7:04pm

quokula wrote: »

Funny you should bring this up, because a few years ago Sky kept playing up that Nico Rosberg was doing just that. In light of general negative reaction to this from fans, the FIA banned driver coaching over the radio. It quickly turned out that it was Lewis who suffered badly without the coaching though, and he could barely drive his car in Baku because he didn't know how to put it in the correct mode, so they scrapped the ban straight after.

Wrong. The ban was scrapped after Rosberg got a penalty for "coaching" to stay out of 7th gear in Silverstone a month later. And besides, Kimi also had a problem in Baku, but couldn't be told how to fix it so Ferrari wanted it scrapped. Alonso said they were driving "space ships" and he wanted it scrapped. Vettel called the ban a "joke" and wanted it scrapped. Button got a penalty the week before in Budapest and said "It's a stupid regulation", so he/McLaren wanted it scrapped.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a1849771/f1-radio-ban-making-waves-again-after-nico-rosberg-penalty/

Horner added, "We need to address this issue at the next strategy group meeting and modify the rule. "I understand what the FIA wanted to achieve with driver coaching, but in the case of technical problems, we must be able to support the drivers."

But that doesn't fit anti-Hamilton narrative I suppose.

H3llR4iser · 07-07-2020 7:15pm

I will admit finding this a bit more amusing than I should have

namloc1980 · 07-07-2020 10:21pm

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 9:59am

I watched the onboard on youtube of the last 2 laps with Norris.
They are essentially driving the car through the data vicariously. Madness.

geotrig · 08-07-2020 10:34am

namloc1980 wrote: »

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It doesn't happen a lot but when i saw that the other day the crash ,it reminded me of a thought i had before that may have no basis or anything behind it.

I think Hamiltion is an exceptional smooth driver when out in front and it shows how good a driver he is ,but there's always a but ,when he is struggling for pace or being pushed like with Albon there ,he collides or tips off the other drivers a lot maybe its no different to any other driver overall but stands out as he is mostly in front ,I have in my head Vettel is similar also but not as smooth a driver overall, maybe that's just the Ferrari though

Inquitus · 08-07-2020 12:09pm

geotrig wrote: »

It doesn't happen a lot but when i saw that the other day the crash ,it reminded me of a thought i had before that may have no basis or anything behind it.

I think Hamiltion is an exceptional smooth driver when out in front and it shows how good a driver he is ,but there's always a but ,when he is struggling for pace or being pushed like with Albon there ,he collides or tips off the other drivers a lot maybe its no different to any other driver overall but stands out as he is mostly in front ,I have in my head Vettel is similar also but not as smooth a driver overall, maybe that's just the Ferrari though

The main difference is when Vettel does it he spins, when Hamilton does it, Albon spins

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 3:50pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I watched the onboard on youtube of the last 2 laps with Norris.
They are essentially driving the car through the data vicariously. Madness.

He was given a few pointers to up the performance of the car to gain the time needed for a surprise podium

I had no problem with what Norris was given, it's not like he was told how to enter and exit every corner (except on final lap that there was debree from Kvyat's retirement)

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 3:51pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

He was given a few pointers to up the performance of the car to gain the time needed for a surprise podium

I had no problem with what Norris was given, it's not like he was told how to enter and exit every corner (except on final lap that there was debree from Kvyat's retirement)

He should know it himself though, given how highly he is regarded amongst some (i dont share that).

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 4:00pm

ELM327 wrote: »

He should know it himself though, given how highly he is regarded amongst some (i dont share that).

It's not the knowing to do it, but how much he can do it where the engineer is needed. I can't imagine it's something they'd have planned for, it's not normal circumstances in fairness

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 4:04pm

So you're telling me a driver in f1 needs to be told how to drive the car at max speed?

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 4:09pm

But it's not max speed in a normal conditions, I'm assuming it's above what's normally used in race conditions

Hijpo · 08-07-2020 4:35pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

But it's not max speed in a normal conditions, I'm assuming it's above what's normally used in race conditions

Also, he still had to hit the brake zones and apex all while going faster than he would have in the race. You often hear drivers telling race engineers to stop talking while they are concentrating, there is a reason for that.
He had to concentrate harder because he was going faster, recieve and perform the instructions given to him over the radio and control the adrenaline of possibly making a podium after Hamiltons penalty.

To me that alone signifies a phenomenal drive before you even consider the race he had to be within 5 seconds of Hamilton anyway.

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 4:44pm

Hijpo wrote: »

Also, he still had to hit the brake zones and apex all while going faster than he would have in the race

From playing the F1 game, I can't tell you the amount of times I've gone flying past a corner because I my braking point wasn't in the normal point because I had the extra speed from DRS

Now they're also the sorts of things I'd expect Norris to adjust to, if the engineer was telling to brake at 80 for T3 instead of 70 then it would be coaching a bit too much

quokula · 08-07-2020 5:24pm

ELM327 wrote: »

He should know it himself though, given how highly he is regarded amongst some (i dont share that).

I'm pretty sure he knows pressing the overtake button makes the car go faster. He's at the mercy of the team as to how much he can use it given the current state of the power unit and energy store.

This is nothing to do with the driver, it's just one of the many problems with the current engine formula.

Inquitus · 08-07-2020 5:26pm

quokula wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he knows pressing the overtake button makes the car go faster. He's at the mercy of the team as to how much he can use it given the current state of the power unit and energy store.

This is nothing to do with the driver, it's just one of the many problems with the current engine formula.

The team know how much energy is available, when it gives the best bang for buck being deployed etc. They were just communicating this to him so he could get the most out of his lap.

Frank Bullitt · 08-07-2020 5:51pm

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-complex-gearbox-issues-austria/4828353/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-6

Mercedes has admitted that it is facing a "complex problem" in trying to solve its Formula 1 gearbox issues ahead of this weekend’s Styrian Grand Prix.

No quick fix on the horizon for Merc it seems, should be another sketchy weekend for them.

Harika · 08-07-2020 5:53pm

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-complex-gearbox-issues-austria/4828353/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-6

No quick fix on the horizon for Merc it seems, should be another sketchy weekend for them.

With likely rain on Saturday and possible surprise showers on Sunday will be good. Opened race thread btw

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 5:54pm

Hopefully they can both finish off the podium at a minimum, maybe Ferrari's upgrades can make them competitive

Inquitus · 08-07-2020 5:58pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Hopefully they can both finish off the podium at a minimum, maybe Ferrari's upgrades can make them competitive

Engine development is locked until 2021, I don't think all the aero improvements in the world can compensate for the dog of an engine they have after the FIA ruling.

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 6:05pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Engine development is locked until 2021, I don't think all the aero improvements in the world can compensate for the dog of an engine they have after the FIA ruling.

Based on a slow Haas and Alfa Romeo it probably is engine related so you're right there

Still hoping against hope for an improvement from them

afatbollix · 08-07-2020 8:32pm

We should let them cheat again with the engine..

But we all know Merc turn down the engine after 5 laps and walk it.

Even with the dodgy engine, they were never able to win that much.

muckwarrior · 08-07-2020 9:07pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I watched the onboard on youtube of the last 2 laps with Norris.
They are essentially driving the car through the data vicariously. Madness.

I can only assume you've never raced a car around a track. Otherwise you'd know how silly that statement is.

quokula · 09-07-2020 12:27am

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-complex-gearbox-issues-austria/4828353/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-6

No quick fix on the horizon for Merc it seems, should be another sketchy weekend for them.

It says a lot that a weekend where they qualified miles ahead of everyone by miles, were running away with the race, and would have comfortably scored a 1 - 2 and lapped half the field if not for a safety car, is considered a sketchy weekend that they need to find fixes to their car for.

ELM327 · 09-07-2020 9:03am

muckwarrior wrote: »

I can only assume you've never raced a car around a track. Otherwise you'd know how silly that statement is.

I have done karting and track days.
I'm no schumacher (none of us are) but I'm familiar with driving a car fast in a track.

Not sure what that's to do with anything?

Hijpo · 09-07-2020 8:18pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm familiar with driving a car fast in a track.

Skalectrics? :-D

"You need to pull the trigger"

"Stop coaching me!"

:-)

AMKC · 09-07-2020 11:28pm

afatbollix wrote: »

We should let them cheat again with the engine..

But we all know Merc turn down the engine after 5 laps and walk it.

Even with the dodgy engine, they were never able to win that much.

I agree feck it. It made the last few seasons more exciting. Imagine how dull they would have been if the Ferrari was as crap as it is this year. Its not just Ferrari its Haas and Alfa Romeo that are affected too. I wonder is the Alfa team boss regreting not getting Renault engines now.

ACitizenErased · 09-07-2020 11:32pm

Leclerc being investigated for his COVID breach. What a dope, posting at parties on social media. At least Bottas only went home and stayed there.

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