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F1 season start - Austria

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  • #512
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    geotrig wrote: »
    It doesn't happen a lot but when i saw that the other day the crash ,it reminded me of a thought i had before that may have no basis or anything behind it.

    I think Hamiltion is an exceptional smooth driver when out in front and it shows how good a driver he is ,but there's always a but ,when he is struggling for pace or being pushed like with Albon there ,he collides or tips off the other drivers a lot maybe its no different to any other driver overall but stands out as he is mostly in front ,I have in my head Vettel is similar also but not as smooth a driver overall, maybe that's just the Ferrari though

    The main difference is when Vettel does it he spins, when Hamilton does it, Albon spins :)


  • #513
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I watched the onboard on youtube of the last 2 laps with Norris.
    They are essentially driving the car through the data vicariously. Madness.

    He was given a few pointers to up the performance of the car to gain the time needed for a surprise podium

    I had no problem with what Norris was given, it's not like he was told how to enter and exit every corner (except on final lap that there was debree from Kvyat's retirement)


  • #514
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,312 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    He was given a few pointers to up the performance of the car to gain the time needed for a surprise podium

    I had no problem with what Norris was given, it's not like he was told how to enter and exit every corner (except on final lap that there was debree from Kvyat's retirement)
    He should know it himself though, given how highly he is regarded amongst some (i dont share that).


  • #515
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He should know it himself though, given how highly he is regarded amongst some (i dont share that).

    It's not the knowing to do it, but how much he can do it where the engineer is needed. I can't imagine it's something they'd have planned for, it's not normal circumstances in fairness


  • #516
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,312 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So you're telling me a driver in f1 needs to be told how to drive the car at max speed?


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  • #517
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    But it's not max speed in a normal conditions, I'm assuming it's above what's normally used in race conditions


  • #518
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    But it's not max speed in a normal conditions, I'm assuming it's above what's normally used in race conditions

    Also, he still had to hit the brake zones and apex all while going faster than he would have in the race. You often hear drivers telling race engineers to stop talking while they are concentrating, there is a reason for that.
    He had to concentrate harder because he was going faster, recieve and perform the instructions given to him over the radio and control the adrenaline of possibly making a podium after Hamiltons penalty.

    To me that alone signifies a phenomenal drive before you even consider the race he had to be within 5 seconds of Hamilton anyway.


  • #519
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Also, he still had to hit the brake zones and apex all while going faster than he would have in the race

    From playing the F1 game, I can't tell you the amount of times I've gone flying past a corner because I my braking point wasn't in the normal point because I had the extra speed from DRS

    Now they're also the sorts of things I'd expect Norris to adjust to, if the engineer was telling to brake at 80 for T3 instead of 70 then it would be coaching a bit too much


  • #520
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭quokula


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He should know it himself though, given how highly he is regarded amongst some (i dont share that).

    I'm pretty sure he knows pressing the overtake button makes the car go faster. He's at the mercy of the team as to how much he can use it given the current state of the power unit and energy store.

    This is nothing to do with the driver, it's just one of the many problems with the current engine formula.


  • #521
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    quokula wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure he knows pressing the overtake button makes the car go faster. He's at the mercy of the team as to how much he can use it given the current state of the power unit and energy store.

    This is nothing to do with the driver, it's just one of the many problems with the current engine formula.

    The team know how much energy is available, when it gives the best bang for buck being deployed etc. They were just communicating this to him so he could get the most out of his lap.


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  • #522
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-complex-gearbox-issues-austria/4828353/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-6
    Mercedes has admitted that it is facing a "complex problem" in trying to solve its Formula 1 gearbox issues ahead of this weekend’s Styrian Grand Prix.

    No quick fix on the horizon for Merc it seems, should be another sketchy weekend for them.


  • #523
    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭Harika


    Gintonious wrote: »
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-complex-gearbox-issues-austria/4828353/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-6



    No quick fix on the horizon for Merc it seems, should be another sketchy weekend for them.

    With likely rain on Saturday and possible surprise showers on Sunday will be good. Opened race thread btw


  • #524
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Hopefully they can both finish off the podium at a minimum, maybe Ferrari's upgrades can make them competitive


  • #525
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Hopefully they can both finish off the podium at a minimum, maybe Ferrari's upgrades can make them competitive

    Engine development is locked until 2021, I don't think all the aero improvements in the world can compensate for the dog of an engine they have after the FIA ruling.


  • #526
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Engine development is locked until 2021, I don't think all the aero improvements in the world can compensate for the dog of an engine they have after the FIA ruling.

    Based on a slow Haas and Alfa Romeo it probably is engine related so you're right there

    Still hoping against hope for an improvement from them


  • #527
    afatbollix
    Registered Users Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    We should let them cheat again with the engine..

    But we all know Merc turn down the engine after 5 laps and walk it.


    Even with the dodgy engine, they were never able to win that much.


  • #528
    muckwarrior
    Registered Users Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


      ELM327 wrote: »
      I watched the onboard on youtube of the last 2 laps with Norris.
      They are essentially driving the car through the data vicariously. Madness.

      I can only assume you've never raced a car around a track. Otherwise you'd know how silly that statement is.


    1. #529
      quokula
      Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭quokula


      Gintonious wrote: »
      https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-complex-gearbox-issues-austria/4828353/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-6



      No quick fix on the horizon for Merc it seems, should be another sketchy weekend for them.

      It says a lot that a weekend where they qualified miles ahead of everyone by miles, were running away with the race, and would have comfortably scored a 1 - 2 and lapped half the field if not for a safety car, is considered a sketchy weekend that they need to find fixes to their car for.


    2. #530
      ELM327
      Registered Users Posts: 21,312 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


      muckwarrior wrote: »
      I can only assume you've never raced a car around a track. Otherwise you'd know how silly that statement is.
      I have done karting and track days.
      I'm no schumacher (none of us are) but I'm familiar with driving a car fast in a track.


      Not sure what that's to do with anything?


    3. #531
      Hijpo
      Registered Users Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭Hijpo


      ELM327 wrote: »
      I'm familiar with driving a car fast in a track.

      Skalectrics? :-D

      "You need to pull the trigger"

      "Stop coaching me!"

      :-)


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    5. #532
      AMKC
      Registered Users Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
      Ms


      afatbollix wrote: »
      We should let them cheat again with the engine..

      But we all know Merc turn down the engine after 5 laps and walk it.


      Even with the dodgy engine, they were never able to win that much.

      I agree feck it. It made the last few seasons more exciting. Imagine how dull they would have been if the Ferrari was as crap as it is this year. Its not just Ferrari its Haas and Alfa Romeo that are affected too. I wonder is the Alfa team boss regreting not getting Renault engines now.

      Live long and Prosper

      Peace and long life.



    6. #533
      ACitizenErased
      Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


      Leclerc being investigated for his COVID breach. What a dope, posting at parties on social media. At least Bottas only went home and stayed there.


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