Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

08-07-2020 02:30PM

speckle wrote: »

A 2500 euro fine or up to 6 months jail if caught. Potentially a life sentence if you or others are unlucky to be in the high risk group and you dont self isolate and have it and cant be contacted. But you are correct in saying wont do much unless actually enforced consistantly.

????

Is this your idea of what you'd like to happen? Or some policy proposal that you've seen?

Edit: oh okay, its just about the form filling

speckle · 08-07-2020 02:31PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This is the present advice I could find on the HSE site. Where did you find yours if I may ask?

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/travel.html

No problem. Further down the page is the form you have to fill out. It is a pdf thete.

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 02:33PM

speckle wrote: »

No problem. Further down the page is the form you have to fill out. It is a pdf thete.

Oh grand I thought I missed something else. It's just the form that's mandatory to fill out and a pinky promise to isolate.

podgeandrodge · 08-07-2020 02:34PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I wonder how many of them had any chance of a life different the one they were born into. Regardless, that's inhuman.

Hmm, the 2 main gangs are known to be vicious, and reports say the population in general supports measures taken against them. They are a pack of murderers and rapists. The pics shown were a 24 hour lockdown because of an outbreak of violence from them seemingly. I wouldn't lose much sleep.

Ficheall · 08-07-2020 02:37PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

National lockdown a foregone conclusion ,waves 2 and 3 on the way so.

Is this the idea now, to reply to every negative comment with an "oh, we're all doomed so LOLOLOL"?
Is the equivalent tactic to post "oh, the virus is defeated so LOLOLOL" every time someone posts something positive?
Is that the standard we're at for the discussion?

I know the houseparty is unlikely to lead to an unmanageable increase in cases, but that doesn't mean the partygoers were not selfish (even aside from waking the neighbourhood), and that that type of self-centred behaviour could prove problematic if/when the cases start rising again due to importation, even if it doesn't in this particular case.

speckle · 08-07-2020 02:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Oh grand I thought I missed something else. It's just the form that's mandatory to fill out and a pinky promise to isolate.

I agreeis just a pinky promise to someone who intends to do the opposite anyway especially if not followed up as the offences and policies state that I copied from the form and posted above.

Professor Moriarty · 08-07-2020 02:40PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Hmm, the 2 main gangs are known to be vicious, and reports say the population in general supports measures taken against them. They are a pack of murderers and rapists. The pics shown were a 24 hour lockdown because of an outbreak of violence from them seemingly. I wouldn't lose much sleep.

So just dump the laws of the land? Then ensure that the virus spreads exponentially throughout the prison population? That's inhuman.

08-07-2020 02:41PM

speckle wrote: »

A 2500 euro fine or up to 6 months jail if caught. Potentially a life sentence if you or others are unlucky to be in the high risk group and you dont self isolate and have it and cant be contacted. But you are correct in saying wont do much unless actually enforced consistantly.

Yeah we don't live in a society where we can pass laws like that, thankfully.

sideswipe · 08-07-2020 02:42PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Party in a house in our estate last night with about forty students (I'm guessing - right age). Smh.

They could have fit another 10 in and still been within guidelines.

Ficheall · 08-07-2020 02:51PM

sideswipe wrote: »

They could have fit another 10 in and still been within guidelines.

Well, wouldn't be too sure about the

"Visits/gatherings should be kept to a size to allow for physical distancing of 2 metres and for adequate ventilation if they are taking place indoors."
"You are asked to keep a daily log of people you meet for contact tracing purposes."
"Spontaneous mass gatherings such as parties, gatherings, demonstrations and so on are not recommended at this time."
"Visitors should not visit you if they are unwell, should keep at a 2 metre distance, wash their hands for at least 20 seconds on arrival and should wear face coverings."
"ideally wear a face covering, strictly adhere to the 2 metres physical (social) distancing measures"
bits, but agreed on the fewer than 50 people point.

speckle · 08-07-2020 02:51PM

wazzer1 wrote: »

Are GP/HSE contacting only if positive or negative as well?

Think you will find that information here. If I am reading it right if positive a call.
Four possible results

SARS CoV 2 RNA detected
SARS CoV 2 RNA not detected
Indeterminate result
Invalid/inhibitory result

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/testing/test-results.html

yerwanthere123 · 08-07-2020 02:53PM

Why is Israel being hit so badly right now? I thought they had been doing well initially.

speckle · 08-07-2020 02:56PM

AdamD wrote: »

Yeah we don't live in a society where we can pass laws like that, thankfully.

Just to clarify the life sentence is potentially self imposed if you get ill... not part of the justice system here. Thankfully we are not like North Korea.

08-07-2020 02:59PM

speckle wrote: »

I agreeis just a pinky promise to someone who intends to do the opposite anyway especially if not followed up as the offences and policies state that I copied from the form and posted above.

I think that if you’re an American tourist, and you state on the form that you’re staying in the Hilton in kilmainham and after a day or two you head to the radisson in salthill for a week you could get fined £2500, not for failure to self isolate, but for failure to give accurate information.

If you’re staying at home and just heading out for jollies every day, there’s nothing that can be done

Strazdas · 08-07-2020 03:00PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Hmm, the 2 main gangs are known to be vicious, and reports say the population in general supports measures taken against them. They are a pack of murderers and rapists. The pics shown were a 24 hour lockdown because of an outbreak of violence from them seemingly. I wouldn't lose much sleep.

That looks like a photo from a Nazi concentration camp. There must be better ways of handling the situation than that.

fr336 · 08-07-2020 03:11PM

Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild coronavirus symptoms

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

speckle · 08-07-2020 03:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that if you’re an American tourist, and you state on the form that you’re staying in the Hilton in kilmainham and after a day or two you head to the radisson in salthill for a week you could get fined £2500, not for failure to self isolate, but for failure to give accurate information.

If you’re staying at home and just heading out for jollies every day, there’s nothing that can be done

Would that not be covered by?
• In addition to these offences, a member of An Garda Síochána may direct a person who
is not complying with the requirements in respect of this form to so comply. Failing to
comply with that direction is an offence for which you may be arrested.

Again I agree with you if the fact you signed a legal form to self isolate and dont unless people are followed up some will do what they want. I just hope no one is ever in the place of passing it on to someone who is high risk and they die.
On a side note to the above...

Sadly in a relatives parish a person came back from the UK and self isolated with their high risk parents. Now both are dead. The government needs to have places where people can quaranteen in cases like that. They are closing citywest.

May the two of them rest in peace and their family member find solace somtime as they were asymtomatic and not their fault.

stephenjmcd · 08-07-2020 03:18PM

speckle wrote: »

Offences and penalties
The following offences are punishable by a fine not exceeding €2,500 or imprisonment for a
term not exceeding 6 months, or both.
• It is an offence not to complete this form in the manner specified.
• It is an offence to provide false or misleading information in this form.
• It is an offence not to provide an update if any of the information in section 3 of the
form changes in the next 14 days or period of stay, whichever is the shorter.
• It is an offence to fail to give an officer who requests it information required to verify
the details on this form.
• In addition to these offences, a member of An Garda Síochána may direct a person who
is not complying with the requirements in respect of this form to so comply. Failing to
comply with that direction is an offence for which you may be arrested.
• A member of An Garda Síochána who suspects that an offence has been committed
may demand the name and address of the person who is suspected of committing the
offence. Failure to comply with this demand or the production of a false name and/or
address is an offence for which a person may be arrested.

Yeah its mandatory to fill in the form I think everyone knows that, its only a form so don't see why people wouldn't fill it in.

speckle · 08-07-2020 03:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah its mandatory to fill in the form I think everyone knows that, its only a form so don't see why people wouldn't fill it in.

I agree why not fill it in and do the 14 days self isolation. 2weeks is not the end of the world and there are exemptions in some situations.

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 03:31PM

It was only a matter of time....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/coronavirus-may-cause-damage-mens-21681342

sideswipe · 08-07-2020 03:32PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Well, wouldn't be too sure about the

"Visits/gatherings should be kept to a size to allow for physical distancing of 2 metres and for adequate ventilation if they are taking place indoors."
"You are asked to keep a daily log of people you meet for contact tracing purposes."
"Spontaneous mass gatherings such as parties, gatherings, demonstrations and so on are not recommended at this time."
"Visitors should not visit you if they are unwell, should keep at a 2 metre distance, wash their hands for at least 20 seconds on arrival and should wear face coverings."
"ideally wear a face covering, strictly adhere to the 2 metres physical (social) distancing measures"
bits, but agreed on the fewer than 50 people point.

I'm 48, my party days are over, but I don't think its fair for me to expect the young people of this country to isolate themselves and not do what young people do for an indefinite period of time. People need to learn to live and let live again. Yes the risk of an outbreak is increased but I don't think I as an 18 year old would have been an angle in these circumstances, your dealing with some pretty powerful urges at that age and the need for interaction with your peers is very powerful.

hmmm · 08-07-2020 03:32PM

fr336 wrote: »

Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild coronavirus symptoms

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

Anyone who is following the news reports about the myriad of ways Covid affects people knows full well that you want to avoid getting this. You're rolling a dice with your health.

Sure not everyone gets these, but there is so much we don't know. I think the health authorities just aren't getting across the dangers of even "mild" Covid, or the difficulties many "recovered" people are still having.

It would really help with vaccine uptake which will be the next big challenge. This is not a minor thing at any age. Take your vaccine which at least has been tested, and don't take your changes with this virus.

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 03:35PM

speckle wrote: »

Would that not be covered by?
• In addition to these offences, a member of An Garda Síochána may direct a person who
is not complying with the requirements in respect of this form to so comply. Failing to
comply with that direction is an offence for which you may be arrested.

Again I agree with you if the fact you signed a legal form to self isolate and dont unless people are followed up some will do what they want. I just hope no one is ever in the place of passing it on to someone who is high risk and they die.
On a side note to the above...

Sadly in a relatives parish a person came back from the UK and self isolated with their high risk parents. Now both are dead. The government needs to have places where people can quaranteen in cases like that. They are closing citywest.

May the two of them rest in peace and their family member find solace somtime as they were asymtomatic and not their fault.

Just in response to your suggestion about city West

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0707/1151833-coronavirus-travel/

Also why post a claim about you knowing of two people who died because of a relatives actions as you know and I know you will not offer evidence to back up your claim. It serves no purpose tbh.

ACitizenErased · 08-07-2020 03:37PM

As far as I can see the app has passed 1 million registrations

speckle · 08-07-2020 03:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It was only a matter of time....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/coronavirus-may-cause-damage-mens-21681342

Testing times for testicles yes ...plump the depths:-)
This potential side effect was suggested months ago. Research papers are just starting to be published now on it but is it still inconclusive . Hopefully will stay that way.

speckle · 08-07-2020 03:43PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just in response to your suggestion about city West

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0707/1151833-coronavirus-travel/

Also why post a claim about you knowing of two people who died because of a relatives actions as you know and I know you will not offer evidence to back up your claim. It serves no purpose tbh.

If you like I will pm you the rip.ie entrys. Thanks for the article but I was talking about people who would have voluntary quareented if the option was avaiable.
Edit it would also breach gdpr guidlines here on boards.ie to publish their names and anyhow I have respect for their privacy. They have said to let people know what can hsppen but they sre still gieving and should be allowed go public in their own ime.

Ficheall · 08-07-2020 03:44PM

Dunno if any of the ICE stuff has been posted here (basically, insisting non-American students go home if their uni isn't opening, or attend a uni which is opening if they wish to stay, and consequently some unis are essentially "forced" to open, etc.. the mind boggles...) but it seems Harvard and MIT have filed suit against ICE and the DHS to allow students to stay in the country while taking classes remotely. Saw somewhere the other day that Harvard (iirc) is still charging full fees (50kish?) for students to take the classes online, so maybe they're biased...
Will be interesting to see where it goes - the ICE call obviously seems like a terrible idea, but nothing massively surprising there.

https://twitter.com/mit_csail/status/1280851392547229696

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 03:47PM

speckle wrote: »

If you like I will pm you the rip.ie entrys. Thanks for the article but I was talking about people who would have voluntary quareented if the option was avaiable.

The option to voluntarily quarantine exists, it's not mandatory.
No need for the PM I don't want information about people that should remain private.

08-07-2020 03:52PM

speckle wrote: »

Would that not be covered by?
• In addition to these offences, a member of An Garda Síochána may direct a person who
is not complying with the requirements in respect of this form to so comply. Failing to
comply with that direction is an offence for which you may be arrested.

Again I agree with you if the fact you signed a legal form to self isolate and dont unless people are followed up some will do what they want. I just hope no one is ever in the place of passing it on to someone who is high risk and they die.
On a side note to the above...

Sadly in a relatives parish a person came back from the UK and self isolated with their high risk parents. Now both are dead. The government needs to have places where people can quaranteen in cases like that. They are closing citywest.

May the two of them rest in peace and their family member find solace somtime as they were asymtomatic and not their fault.

Have you actually looked at the form? Its not a 'legal form to self isolate'. The requirements that it describes as being enforceable are only the filling in of the form (actually quite cleverly worded to imply that there is something more). You could swan into a Garda station the day after arrival, shout through a megaphone that you just want everyone to know that you are not self isolating, and there is still nothing that they could do as long as your residence is still what you put on the form

speckle · 08-07-2020 03:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The option to voluntarily quarantine exists, it's not mandatory.
No need for the PM I don't want information about people that should remain private.

Yes but what if you are repatrioting and the family home has high risk people? City west was for that and staff working aswell in hospitals..

Fair enough but please take back that I do not have the evidence and hence inferring I was making it up. If that of course, was what you were doing. Thanking you in advance.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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