Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

D.Q · 08-07-2020 09:49AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Our prison service did a phenomenal job with zero prisoners getting infected during the pandemic.

U.S. Prison Inmate Coronavirus Cases Soar Past 50,000

At least 616 inmates have died, and among staff, more than 11,180 cases of coronavirus have been reported, including 43 deaths.

Not surprising with scenes like this from the LA county jail...

:eek:

Thank your lucky stars you live in a civilized country.

US prisons hold almost 2.3 million people.

0.02% of american prisoners have died from Covid 19.

spockety · 08-07-2020 09:50AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Or maybe don't commit a crime and get sent to prison.

The guy 2nd from left on the bottom of the El Salvador picture didn't pay his TV License.

D.Q · 08-07-2020 09:51AM

That El Salvador picture is absolutely insane. Like a scene from Baraka

Boggles · 08-07-2020 09:54AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Earlier, protesters stormed the parliament in Serbia over a planned lockdown due to be put in place in Belgrade. A bit extreme perhaps but it seems that lockdowns are a one shot one type of thing, there is just no appetite from the public for them to be repeated, anywhere

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-serbia-protests/demonstrators-storm-serbian-parliament-in-protest-over-lockdown-idUKKBN24836K

I wouldn't be gauging what is going on in Serbia and trying to apply that as a template elsewhere.

They have been protesting over there for nearly 2 years, it's fúck all to do with the virus and all to do with opposition politics and the absolute hatred for the president.

Boggles · 08-07-2020 09:56AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Or maybe don't commit a crime and get sent to prison.

A lot of people jail in America have not committed a crime or at least been found guilty of one, they just can't afford the bail.

caveat emptor · 08-07-2020 10:00AM

Victoria's second lockdown acknowledged to be stricter than first. Going to be 6 weeks in primary residence. No country home escapes. 24 healthcare workers test positive.

With a record 191 new cases for the state announced by the premier on Tuesday and 134 further cases announced on Wednesday, the Melbourne metropolitan area will go back under lockdown from midnight, with people only allowed outside their homes for essential services, work, school and childcare. The Victorian premier, Daniel Andrews, acknowledged that as the cases increased, contact tracing was becoming increasingly difficult, which in part had prompted the lockdown.

Rob A. Bank · 08-07-2020 10:02AM

D.Q wrote: »

US prisons hold almost 2.3 million people.

0.02% of american prisoners have died from Covid 19.

So far...

ZX7R · 08-07-2020 10:06AM

is_that_so wrote: »

And yet not a whole lot of evidence of us being hit with a surge. One thing people clearly have not adjusted to mentally is the need to live with this. It's really not an either or scenario of hiding from it or just charging out to face it. Even when it passes the mental health damage could end up being far more extreme.

You have made an extremely valid point.
People need to learn to live with it.
I would go as far as saying that the government should promote it.
The main problem is the Media ,they go out of there way to promote fear.

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 10:09AM

spockety wrote: »

The guy 2nd from left on the bottom of the El Salvador picture didn't pay his TV License.

Yeah but I heard he killed the TV licence inspector, by coughing on him.

caveat emptor · 08-07-2020 10:09AM

Speaking of patting people on the back. That really is a success obviously hasn't been tested in action but great launch. Being picked up by media globally as being most successful tracing app in the world. Well done to all involved. 1 million downloads in 24 hours is crazy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ireland/irish-covid-19-tracing-app-nears-1-million-downloads-in-24-hours-idUKKBN24912D?il=0

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Ireland expects 1 million people to have downloaded a voluntary app to trace contacts of COVID-19 patients within 24 hours of its formal launch, which its health service operator said would make it the most successful launch in the world.

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1280760850840723457?s=20

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 10:12AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Speaking of patting people on the back. That really is a success obviously hasn't been tested in action but great launch. Being picked up by media globally as being most successful tracing app in the world. Well done to all involved. 1 million downloads in 24 hours is crazy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ireland/irish-covid-19-tracing-app-nears-1-million-downloads-in-24-hours-idUKKBN24912D?il=0

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1280760850840723457?s=20

Just after looking at the app now on my phone, it looks like the I million mark has been achieved . That's assuming the graph is accurate.

caveat emptor · 08-07-2020 10:26AM

Someone needs to explain to people what's being done to manage this risk. It's on a different scale to other countries and if flights are continuing we need to know that no seeding event could occur. Situation is getting worse and is the worst since pandemic began and is getting worse. Seriously needs to be looked at in a way so as not to offend our US cousins / the petulant one.

Widdensushi · 08-07-2020 10:34AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Or maybe don't commit a crime and get sent to prison.

Sure how else are you to get trained and make the necessary contacts to improve at crime

owlbethere · 08-07-2020 10:40AM

ZX7R wrote: »

You have made an extremely valid point.
People need to learn to live with it.
I would go as far as saying that the government should promote it.
The main problem is the Media ,they go out of there way to promote fear.

We can learn to live with it while being sensible. The airbridges between the other European countries who have the virus under control is sensible. Allowing people from other continents in without quarantine especially America where they did sweet fcuk all to control the virus is not sensible.

stephenjmcd · 08-07-2020 10:42AM

owlbethere wrote: »

We can learn to live with it while being sensible. The airbridges between the other European countries who have the virus under control is sensible. Allowing people from other continents in without quarantine especially America where they did sweet fcuk all to control the virus is not sensible.

I dont think anyone argues that its not sensible. We should be open to most of Europe and like the rest of Europe not allowing in countries that are on the European no entry list.

mandrake04 · 08-07-2020 10:45AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Someone needs to explain to people what's being done to manage this risk. It's on a different scale to other countries and if flights are continuing we need to know that no seeding event could occur. Situation is getting worse and is the worst since pandemic began and is getting worse. Seriously needs to be looked at in a way so as not to offend our US cousins / the petulant one.

Its grand, the state of the art HEPA filters on planes suck the virus from your body there's is absolutely no risk from people travelling from infected countries...absolutely none.

biko · 08-07-2020 10:47AM

Interesting titbit I hadn't heard before

[Germany] saw its first outbreak in January at the headquarters of Webasto, an automotive supplier near Munich.
The source was quickly identified as a Chinese employee who had been attending in-house workshops there.

Some 10 employees ended up getting infected — one after using a salt shaker handed to him by a colleague with the virus.
After extensive detective work, those with coronavirus were swiftly isolated, their friends and relatives found and alerted.

https://www.ft.com/content/cc1f650a-91c0-4e1f-b990-ee8ceb5339ea

ZX7R · 08-07-2020 10:54AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont think anyone argues that its not sensible. We should be open to most of Europe and like the rest of Europe not allowing in countries that are on the European no entry list.

The easiest way to stop people traveling from America cancel all holiday Visa's

shinzon · 08-07-2020 10:55AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Speaking of patting people on the back. That really is a success obviously hasn't been tested in action but great launch. Being picked up by media globally as being most successful tracing app in the world. Well done to all involved. 1 million downloads in 24 hours is crazy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ireland/irish-covid-19-tracing-app-nears-1-million-downloads-in-24-hours-idUKKBN24912D?il=0

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1280760850840723457?s=20

Except for those who want to use it but cant. I know Shin get a new phone get a new phone

Shin

ZX7R · 08-07-2020 10:57AM

biko wrote: »

Interesting titbit I hadn't heard before

https://www.ft.com/content/cc1f650a-91c0-4e1f-b990-ee8ceb5339ea

That is where simple hand hygiene comes into play

Away With The Fairies · 08-07-2020 10:58AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont think anyone argues that its not sensible. We should be open to most of Europe and like the rest of Europe not allowing in countries that are on the European no entry list.

How long will Europe let us in if we continue to let the Americans in?

What Username Guidelines · 08-07-2020 11:03AM

shinzon wrote: »

Except for those who want to use it but cant. I know Shin get a new phone get a new phone

Shin

Just get a new phone Shin

Rob A. Bank · 08-07-2020 11:04AM

First Johnson, now Bolsonaro... Another ignorant fu*kwit right wing populist pays the price for minimizing the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic.

And their fanboy minimizers here seem to be reduced to labeling anything and everything that contradicts their crazy 'herd immunity' pipe dream as 'fear mongering' or doom mongering.

It's getting tiresome at this stage.

I guess that bloated putrid orange low-life in the white house will be tested more often now... as he watches yet another of his idiot friends battle the virus.

https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/11fad0f/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2Fbd%2Fad%2F0494e3f34811b5543911153a38c3%2Fsb051820dapc.jpg

08-07-2020 11:15AM

I don't see how mainland EU can allow flights from Ireland if Ireland lets flights in from America. This would be a fatal precedent to set with the end of the Brexit transition period approaching and the UK doing little to secure any sort of Northern Ireland protocol. If it becomes even remotely normal that Ireland is outside the mainland, it'll be far easier to put checks on goods between Ireland and mainland EU and then Ireland is completely ruined.

For some American tourists who will cause a surge in cases.

CalamariFritti · 08-07-2020 11:47AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I think Ireland is well capable of doing another lockdown.

I well believe it. Not the least because it would be the most stupid thing to do.

is_that_so · 08-07-2020 11:53AM

seamus wrote: »

Paper never refused ink.

But ultimately people need to be able to forward-plan. People want to know what's in store for them. So even if it's just a series of sketched possibilities, it's better than a shoulder shrug. So I wouldn't go straight to the cynical. Someone asked a researcher what's probably going to happen, and the researcher responded.

Yep just as a researcher never refused funding for the latest fad. Anyone armed with a modicum of statistical knowledge, data modelling skills and a blob of data can produce a model. The trouble with all of these models, as we know, is having enough current data. They aren't anyway useful for any authority for planning as they stand but they are great for rattling large swathes of the population.

Multipass · 08-07-2020 11:59AM

biko wrote: »

Interesting titbit I hadn't heard before

https://www.ft.com/content/cc1f650a-91c0-4e1f-b990-ee8ceb5339ea

More likely that he breathed it in from sitting beside this guy at lunch.

Away With The Fairies · 08-07-2020 12:11PM

biko wrote: »

Interesting titbit I hadn't heard before

https://www.ft.com/content/cc1f650a-91c0-4e1f-b990-ee8ceb5339ea

I don't know, If people are sitting down to lunch or dinner with a work colleague that was infected and they handed you the salt shaker, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the salt shaker that infected people. It was the infected colleague and being close to each other.

Snickers Man · 08-07-2020 12:15PM

Taking my figures from the Worldometers website, it is clear that sometime in the next 24 hours, the USA (pop: 331m] will overtake the entire 27 countries of the EU [pop: 445m] in terms of the number of Covid related deaths.

At the time of writing, the EU 27 has a total of 134,011 reported Covid related deaths. The USA has just 20 fewer, 133,991.

The figures might have changed by the time you read this as numbers are reported sporadically and the site is continuously updated as I understand it.

But the US numbers have been rising steadily and they surpassed the EU 27 in terms of recorded cases several weeks ago. For the most part, the deaths in EU countries have flattened off, although that doesn't automatically imply there will be no "resurgence", especially as restrictions are eased.

I think back wistfully to historian Niall Ferguson (no pinko liberal leftie he) writing in the Sunday Times a few months ago that Trump's gamble with refusing to lock down sooner was that there would "only" be 60,000 or so US deaths as a result of the pandemic. Roughly the same number as succumb to "normal" flu in a given year.

Any more than that and he would be in serious trouble come election time and his gamble would have been seen to fail.

America is already at more than double that figure and it's only likely to get a lot worse.

But then, it's all the WHO's fault.......

Hector Savage · 08-07-2020 12:19PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Taking my figures from the Worldometers website, it is clear that sometime in the next 24 hours, the USA (pop: 331m] will overtake the entire 27 countries of the EU [pop: 445m] in terms of the number of Covid related deaths.

At the time of writing, the EU 27 has a total of 134,011 reported Covid related deaths. The USA has just 20 fewer, 133,991.

The figures might have changed by the time you read this as numbers are reported sporadically and the site is continuously as I understand it.

But the US numbers have been rising steadily and they surpassed the EU 27 in terms of recorded cases several weeks ago. For the most part, the deaths in EU countries have flattened off, although that doesn't automatically imply there will be no "resurgence", especially as restrictions are eased.

I think back wistfully to historian Niall Ferguson (no pinko liberal leftie he) writing in the Sunday Times a few months ago that Trump's gamble with refusing to lock down sooner was that there would "only" be 60,000 or so US deaths as a result of the pandemic. Roughly the same number as succumb to "normal" flu in a given year.

Any more than that and he would be in serious trouble come election time and his gamble would have been seen to fail.

America is already at more than double that figure and it's only likely to get a lot worse.

But then, it's all the WHO's fault.......

No, it's all China's fault !

China that tried to cover it up and knew how serious it was, blocked internal travel yet allowed international knowing it would infect the world.

CHINA did this!! and never forget that.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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