Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Stheno · 07-07-2020 11:51PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Saw there was 10,000 tests in US. I don't think we should be allowing any Americans in without mandatory quarantine tbh. Let Irish citizens return if they have to but make sure they self-isolate.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1280630186854080512

You mean 10k cases in Texas alone? Not tests?

fritzelly · 07-07-2020 11:53PM

So with half the population of Italy they are smashing Italy's maximum daily new cases - crazy Americans

bb1234567 · 08-07-2020 12:05AM

Polar101 wrote: »

There was some story I saw earlier (sorry, can't remember where it was) which said one of the reasons for the 'low deaths' is that they detect cases at an earlier stage of the disease now - so it takes longer to reach the stage where the patients die, making it look like deaths have gone down for the moment.

Perhaps that's a contributing reason and I'm not surprised to see American deaths rising more in line with the case numbers we've been seeing lately but I think the main reason for the high cases with fewer deaths is increased testing and more young people being infected

Eod100 · 08-07-2020 12:30AM

Stheno wrote: »

You mean 10k cases in Texas alone? Not tests?

I did yup . Long day! Edited my post

fritzelly · 08-07-2020 12:37AM

Eod100 wrote: »

I did yup . Long day! Edited my post

Back to the day job for you - Kermit you can come back

WoollyRedHat · 08-07-2020 12:59AM

Am I right in saying we are now the only country in Europe to allow people to enter from the Americas including US? I would of thought that once UK applied a travel ban from these areas for domestic areas that we would follow. From what I understand Belfast airport is no longer a point of entry but airports in the Republic remain so?

SeaBreezes · 08-07-2020 01:32AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1280479878949875712

Poor kid.

ACitizenErased · 08-07-2020 01:37AM

Record cases in the US today - 60,209

fritzelly · 08-07-2020 01:37AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Am I right in saying we are now the only country in Europe to allow people to enter from the Americas including US? I would of thought that once UK applied a travel ban from these areas for domestic areas that we would follow. From what I understand Belfast airport is no longer a point of entry but airports in the Republic remain so?

Yeah - everyone can come here but we're told not to leave the country

UrbanFret · 08-07-2020 01:39AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

That's not my opinion though. Masks protect others. It doesn't protect the wearer.

The right mask most certainly protects the wearer.

Goldengirl · 08-07-2020 02:24AM

UrbanFret wrote: »

The right mask most certainly protects the wearer.

Yes if its N95 , or other hospital grade .
Most cloth / paper masks going around the general public might catch the blast of one sneeze then only fit for the bin !

08-07-2020 03:59AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes if its N95 , or other hospital grade .
Most cloth / paper masks goi g around the general public might catch the blast of one sneeze then only fit for the bin !

That sounds a lot better than it going straight into you.

08-07-2020 05:42AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Handwashing doesn't protect you from aerosols in the air though.

For months, it was all about the mask wearer protecting others around them. When did this change?

Because they are more effective at preventing an infected person passing it on, than a healthy person from getting it. It’s not a one of the other thoigh. There are various degrees of effectiveness based on type of covering, how it is worn, hand hygiene etc.

No measure will prevent all infections however, bar everyone locking themselves at home for 4 weeks and shutting down all overseas travel in all circumstances. It’s about interrupting spread. Interrupt enough and cases won’t grow

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2020 06:55AM

Earlier, protesters stormed the parliament in Serbia over a planned lockdown due to be put in place in Belgrade. A bit extreme perhaps but it seems that lockdowns are a one shot one type of thing, there is just no appetite from the public for them to be repeated, anywhere

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-serbia-protests/demonstrators-storm-serbian-parliament-in-protest-over-lockdown-idUKKBN24836K

MickeyLeari · 08-07-2020 07:01AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Earlier, protesters stormed the parliament in Serbia over a planned lockdown due to be put in place in Belgrade. A bit extreme perhaps but it seems that lockdowns are a one shot one type of thing, there is just no appetite from the public for them to be repeated, anywhere

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-serbia-protests/demonstrators-storm-serbian-parliament-in-protest-over-lockdown-idUKKBN24836K

I think Ireland is well capable of doing another lockdown.

Hector Savage · 08-07-2020 07:06AM

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-07-07/catalonia-to-make-face-masks-mandatory-even-if-social-distancing-is-observed.html

Catalonia to make face masks mandatory even if social distancing is observed

Retarded, absolutely retarded, there are some growing outbreaks so they want to be seen doing something, now I can't walk down an empty street without a mask but can go to a packed terrace and have a few beers and spit all over my colleagues.

If they want to do something, do something about these packed terraces.

Hector Savage · 08-07-2020 07:54AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Welcome!

Good question. Nodbody knows. Here's some highly scientific graphs though.

I'd say the authors were ripping the mickey offa themselves as they included 2022, surprised it doesn't go all the way to 2030 ....

Assetbacked · 08-07-2020 08:05AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-confused-about-policing-of-pubs-survey-finds-1.4298711?mode=amp

"Ten days after the reopening of pubs, the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors (AGSI) said its members still did not know if policing that reopening should be done under liquor licensing laws or health regulations.

The criticism by the sergeants and inspectors emerges at a time of growing concern over groups congregating on the street to socialise, especially in Dublin."

Concern over congregating on the streets to socialise. Oh dear. I feel we are at peak hysteria where socialising out in the open is demonised. The fear and panic over this virus is utterly pathetic and is dominated by keyboard warriors and those who have a disproportionately prominent column space and airtime in the media. Just **** off at this stage. Anti-relaxers and flat curvers are the same as flat earthers and anti-vaxxers to me at this point. Ignorant fools.

Edit: And just to note, from this article about the Gardai not knowing how to police the pub restrictions/guidance, it is clear that the supposed thousands of spot checks at the weekend was spoof. Fake news is being published and admitted to be published in order to keep up a level of fear in the public in Ireland about this virus. This is what annoys me, blatantly lying to the public to keep a level of fear among the public.

owlbethere · 08-07-2020 08:07AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Am I right in saying we are now the only country in Europe to allow people to enter from the Americas including US? I would of thought that once UK applied a travel ban from these areas for domestic areas that we would follow. From what I understand Belfast airport is no longer a point of entry but airports in the Republic remain so?

Is this true? This is very poor form how there's no quarantine for travellers from the US and other continents. This has to happen or all our efforts has been for nothing. It is our governments job to help us and protect us from this virus and if they are not up to the job, they need to go.

Rob A. Bank · 08-07-2020 08:11AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I read the article, quite long so perhaps I've missed something but basically they "believe person A0 was an asymptomatic carrier and that person B1.1 was infected by contact with surfaces in the elevator in the building where they both lived."

Or maybe they weren't. There's no way of proving it, they just think that's the case. There seems to be too many cooks in this broth to be making an attention grabbing headline that 70 people got it from getting into an elevator. And they aren't even talking about lingering aerosols either.

You certainly did "miss something" really important, which proves their thesis.

Perhaps if you read the abstract at the top of the page... "Genome sequences of the virus were distinct from viral genomes previously circulating in China."

In other words the virus was proven to have come from America and was different to the locally circulating virus, so they could accurately track it's spread through the 5 generations of spread (A, B, C, D and E)

The asymptomatic index case from America (A0) had no direct contact with the neighbour (B1.1), so the only way infection could have passed between them was because they used the elevator at different times.

70 people did NOT get it from getting into an elevator, the rest of the generations of spread occurred elsewhere and generated a significant cluster of >71 cases.

Perhaps our 'powers that be' should take note of this report and stop people from America coming here, before we have large clusters like this.

is_that_so · 08-07-2020 08:33AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Is this true? This is very poor form ho there's no quarantine for travellers from the US and other continents. This has to happen or all our efforts has been for nothing. It is our governments job to help us and protect us from this virus and if they are not up to the job, they need to go.

And yet not a whole lot of evidence of us being hit with a surge. One thing people clearly have not adjusted to mentally is the need to live with this. It's really not an either or scenario of hiding from it or just charging out to face it. Even when it passes the mental health damage could end up being far more extreme.

is_that_so · 08-07-2020 08:38AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Welcome!

Good question. Nodbody knows. Here's some highly scientific graphs though.

You really wonder who this kind of thing benefits, the researchers showing their work/guesswork with an eye on funding, the newspapers who really can't do any science responsibly or all the poor saps looking at this kind of piece and imagining 3 years of their life going down the drain.

timsey tiger · 08-07-2020 08:42AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Looks like USA might get close to a 1000 deaths today, big jump, from the 200-300 over last while.

I'm hoping that this is a correction from weekend, lows and not an upwards trend in deaths from the higher levels of new infections. This weekend low seems to be three days vs normal two, so hopefully just a bigger post weekend correction. Maybe July 4 has something to do with the extra day.

stephenjmcd · 08-07-2020 08:50AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-confused-about-policing-of-pubs-survey-finds-1.4298711?mode=amp

"Ten days after the reopening of pubs, the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors (AGSI) said its members still did not know if policing that reopening should be done under liquor licensing laws or health regulations.

The criticism by the sergeants and inspectors emerges at a time of growing concern over groups congregating on the street to socialise, especially in Dublin."

Concern over congregating on the streets to socialise. Oh dear. I feel we are at peak hysteria where socialising out in the open is demonised. The fear and panic over this virus is utterly pathetic and is dominated by keyboard warriors and those who have a disproportionately prominent column space and airtime in the media. Just **** off at this stage. Anti-relaxers and flat curvers are the same as flat earthers and anti-vaxxers to me at this point. Ignorant fools.

Edit: And just to note, from this article about the Gardai not knowing how to police the pub restrictions/guidance, it is clear that the supposed thousands of spot checks at the weekend was spoof. Fake news is being published and admitted to be published in order to keep up a level of fear in the public in Ireland about this virus. This is what annoys me, blatantly lying to the public to keep a level of fear among the public.

Its confusing but straight forward in other parts.

Groups in the street is covered under public order act thats straight forward.

The checking of licensed premises not so straightforward because there literally isn't anything they can use when they enter a premises, there's no legislation underpinning any of the guidelines in terms of health act that hospitality businesses have to abide by, likewise for other industries too. Its an absolute mess.

They can put in a bad word against a licence renewal under the licencing laws but the chances of someone being denied a license are tiny.

The statement last week said files will be sent to the DPP on premises caught breaching guidelines, pointless theres no legal basis for a prosecution.

I feel sorry for the Gardaí, they're just getting everything thrown at them, check if people are isolating, check the licenced premises, there's not a hope in hell they've the man power for it with the other everyday work

Rob A. Bank · 08-07-2020 08:59AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Is this true? This is very poor form ho there's no quarantine for travellers from the US and other continents. This has to happen or all our efforts has been for nothing. It is our governments job to help us and protect us from this virus and if they are not up to the job, they need to go.

It is crazy that all travellers have to do is fill out a form at the airport saying where they will be 'self isolating' for 14 days.

Half of the people who filled out the form recently did not answer their phones when contacted !

We have to wait until the 20th for the 'green list' but what we really need urgently is a 'RED LIST' of countries where the infection is rising or out of control. 20 minutes on Worldometer is all that is needed to generate a list of countries for this red list, ie. we do not want those people landing here.

A guy coming from Romania was interviewed at the airport recently said he had to isolate for 14 days when he went back home. The police visited him every day to make sure he was actually isolating...

If Romania can do it , so can we.

owlbethere · 08-07-2020 09:03AM

is_that_so wrote: »

And yet not a whole lot of evidence of us being hit with a surge. One thing people clearly have not adjusted to mentally is the need to live with this. It's really not an either or scenario of hiding from it or just charging out to face it. Even when it passes the mental health damage could end up being far more extreme.

I don't care. Our government is in the position of helping us and by having no quarantine measures they are setting us up for failure. The air bridges to other European countries that have this under control makes sense but we need to have quarantine for people coming in from other continents.

seamus · 08-07-2020 09:05AM

is_that_so wrote: »

You really wonder who this kind of thing benefits, the researchers showing their work/guesswork with an eye on funding, the newspapers who really can't do any science responsibly or all the poor saps looking at this kind of piece and imagining 3 years of their life going down the drain.

Paper never refused ink.

But ultimately people need to be able to forward-plan. People want to know what's in store for them. So even if it's just a series of sketched possibilities, it's better than a shoulder shrug. So I wouldn't go straight to the cynical. Someone asked a researcher what's probably going to happen, and the researcher responded.

Rob A. Bank · 08-07-2020 09:38AM

Our prison service did a phenomenal job with zero prisoners getting infected during the pandemic.

It is not the same elsewhere... a prison sentence is becoming a death sentence for some.

U.S. Prison Inmate Coronavirus Cases Soar Past 50,000

At least 616 inmates have died, and among staff, more than 11,180 cases of coronavirus have been reported, including 43 deaths.

Not surprising with scenes like this from the LA county jail...

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But it is better than El Salvador, where they obviously believe in masks but not in social distancing !

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:eek:

Thank your lucky stars you live in a civilized country.

caveat emptor · 08-07-2020 09:45AM

is_that_so wrote: »

You really wonder who this kind of thing benefits, the researchers showing their work/guesswork with an eye on funding, the newspapers who really can't do any science responsibly or all the poor saps looking at this kind of piece and imagining 3 years of their life going down the drain.

I'd say put the tinfoil hat away and look at other pandemics (spoiler, they came and went in waves). There is no way of knowing.

Best case scenario, public health measures adopted + contact tracing contains it.

Worst Case we do what Australia did. Congratulate ourselves on how great we were at banishing the virus (while it was still circulating) then have to resort to locking people in their home.

Plumbthedepths · 08-07-2020 09:46AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Our prison service did a phenomenal job with zero prisoners getting infected during the pandemic.

It is not the same elsewhere... a prison sentence is becoming a death sentence for some.

U.S. Prison Inmate Coronavirus Cases Soar Past 50,000

At least 616 inmates have died, and among staff, more than 11,180 cases of coronavirus have been reported, including 43 deaths.

Not surprising with scenes like this from the LA county jail...

But it is better than El Salvador, where they obviously believe in masks but not in social distancing !

:eek:

Thank your lucky stars you live in a civilized country.

Or maybe don't commit a crime and get sent to prison.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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