Is it just me or have SF vanished?

maccored · 07-07-2020 12:54PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I get that you are OK with what happened
Party before society
Party before other bereaved
Party before health

These events should make most people shudder at the thoughts of SF running Ireland

now now - you'll be up at the Truthvader level of deflection mastery at this rate

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 01:02PM

maccored wrote: »

now now - you'll be up at the Truthvader level of deflection mastery at this rate

Glad to be of service!
But honestly, this whole episode is a monumental clusterfuck, sadly with now 9 families in the middle as It cannot be easy for the Storey family to be turning on newsline and hearing all this either

Another month or two and there could have been a fairer public memorial without the need for negative publicity or justifications or distractions
One for the party to reflect on

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 01:04PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Glad to be of service!
But honestly, this whole episode is a monumental clusterfuck, sadly with now 9 families in the middle as It cannot be easy for the Storey family to be turning on newsline and hearing all this either

Another month or two and there could have been a fairer public memorial without the need for negative publicity or justifications or distractions
One for the party to reflect on

If only people could give this funeral the latitude other funerals breaking the same rules got...eh?

But you can't be passing up chances like this.

Yeah_Right · 07-07-2020 01:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Any cancellations were made by the council/crematorium not SF.
They have apologised for an 'error of judgement'.

Nobody sent sinister looking men to close and guard the crematorium as was being breathlessly suggested.

Going by the IRA/SF history, they probably sent the sinister men to the homes and families of the people in charge of the crematorium. To "encourage" them to close it to all but the funeral of Bobby "The Terrorist Freedom Fighter" Storey.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 01:16PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Going by the IRA/SF history, they probably sent the sinister men to the homes and families of the people in charge of the crematorium. To "encourage" them to close it to all but the funeral of Bobby "The Terrorist Freedom Fighter" Storey.

That's exactly what the conspiracy theorists want you to believe...well done!

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 01:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If only people could give this funeral the latitude other funerals breaking the same rules got...eh?

But you can't be passing up chances like this.

Jaysis
Talk about whataboutery devotion to party!
No sense of perspective or perception or good example at all

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 01:22PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Jaysis
Talk about whataboutery devotion to party!
No sense of perspective or perception or good example at all

Surely it is those who watched other funerals breaking regs and said nothing that have 'no sense of perspective'?

We know that breaches occurred and that the party involved have apologised for hurt caused.

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 01:27PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Surely it is those who watched other funerals breaking regs and said nothing that have 'no sense of perspective'?

We know that breaches occurred and that the party involved have apologised for hurt caused.

Thats monumental disconnect right there Francis,comparing the odd funeral down the country that might have had some extras in the grave yard as opposed to on the road to the episode in the news all week
Its utter arrogance

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 01:33PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Thats monumental disconnect right there Francis,comparing the odd funeral down the country that might have had some extras in the grave yard as opposed to on the road to the episode in the news all week
Its utter arrogance

We know you are desperately trying to hang on to a conspiracy theory of council control and the Shinners nefariously using that to close crematoriums etc etc.

Take your conspiracies stuff away and you are left with breaches of social distancing rule and selfies. Stuff that has happened all over this island.They, like all the others who breached, deserve criticism for that.
We are yet to know if SF were even responsible for it. The PSNI will decide that, not you and not Sam McBride nor any conspiracy theorists who once again haven't a shred of evidence to back it all up.
Perspective you say?

Edit and of course, if they PSNI don't fall in with the onslaught...out will come the 'It's the Peace Process conspiracy theory.

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 01:41PM

The PSNI have already said contrary to what SF said,that they did not liase with SF on the funeral arrangements

As regards the rest of your post Francis,I'll add delusion to the list of descriptions of your attempts to slither around the whole clusterfuck

joeguevara · 07-07-2020 01:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We know you are desperately trying to hang on to a conspiracy theory of council control and the Shinners nefariously using that to close crematoriums etc etc.

Take your conspiracies stuff away and you are left with breaches of social distancing rule and selfies. Stuff that has happened all over this island.They, like all the others who breached, deserve criticism for that.
We are yet to know if SF were even responsible for it. The PSNI will decide that, not you and not Sam McBride nor any conspiracy theorists who once again haven't a shred of evidence to back it all up.
Perspective you say?

Edit and of course, if they PSNI don't fall in with the onslaught...out will come the 'It's the Peace Process conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theories are based on theories where there is no actual evidence of something happening in the past. I don't think that description fits.

You then say it is up to the PSNI to decide whether there was wrongdoing unless PSNI decide that there was and then its a conspiracy theory against SF.

Ah come on Francie, you must have chuckled yourself when you wrote that.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 02:12PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

The PSNI have already said contrary to what SF said,that they did not liase with SF on the funeral arrangements

As regards the rest of your post Francis,I'll add delusion to the list of descriptions of your attempts to slither around the whole clusterfuck

You can find far better and more provable instances of trying to slither out of responsibility than what I have said here.

That is criticism of SF is warranted and legitimate.

But the conspiracy theories designed to try and ramp up the 'crime' here are so far - nonsense.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 02:13PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Conspiracy theories are based on theories where there is no actual evidence of something happening in the past. I don't think that description fits.

You then say it is up to the PSNI to decide whether there was wrongdoing unless PSNI decide that there was and then its a conspiracy theory against SF.

Ah come on Francie, you must have chuckled yourself when you wrote that.

What?

If the PSNI find against SF they will have to pay whatever penalty that warrants.

If the PSNI find that SF are not responsible for the breaches occurring and they were down to uncontrolables and individuals, then you'll have the usuals on here pushing the favouritism from the PSNI conspiracy theory. They cannot win

dundalkfc10 · 07-07-2020 02:19PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

If the PSNI find against SF they will have to pay whatever penalty that warrants.

If the PSNI find that SF are not responsible for the breaches occurring and they were down to uncontrolables and individuals, then you'll have the usuals on here pushing the favouritism from the PSNI conspiracy theory. They cannot win

Sure the IRAs Army Council Run PSNI

Have Drew down here in a spying misson

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 02:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can find far better and more provable instances of trying to slither out of responsibility than what I have said here.

That is criticism of SF is warranted and legitimate.

But the conspiracy theories designed to try and ramp up the 'crime' here are so far - nonsense.

In the middle of a pandemic, you're belittling the gravity of the frankly insult to bereaved across the land that this event was
The optics of it and the optics of excusing it
There was no need for an event that size at all,it could have waited
There was certainly no need to put out the other bereaved families that day
But No,the organisers trumped the law in full public view,setting a very very bad example and they didn't give a fiddler's about hurting other families in the process and Francis's party loyalty before society loyalty, excuses this forever and ever amen
Its Quite something

James Brown · 07-07-2020 02:27PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Cancelling the cremations is the worst aspect. Same as not allowing more than tiny numbers to attend Mass and Protestant services in rural areas, it is majorly pissing people off. Especially when they have north Korean type event in the middle of it.

Arrogance. And they don't even realise that is what it comes across there as they have developed the self awareness of a turnip.

Any little thing that happens to them or any criticism is occasion of self pitying whinge fest. Think they can do whatever the fk they want if it benefits themselves.

That's no way to talk about the Garda and Minister Flanagan.

James Brown · 07-07-2020 02:30PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Its very Salient

They were wrong not to social distance but this article could just as easily have been written about the Garda funeral and Varadkar's speeches disrespecting the Covid dead.
They don't cancel each other out by any means but the outrage isn't credible based upon the reaction and silence on the others.

James Brown · 07-07-2020 02:42PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Two kinds of people support Sinn Fein, firstly those fully invested in the IRA/ blood sacrifice united Ireland murder machine who will justify any behaviour or action one way or another. These are a small minority

The second group, of which you seem to be a member, are prepared to forget about what they have done and who they are and focus on what they have promised you. In your case its housing; for others it is other issues.

Leaving aside the reality of the likelihood of them ever delivering on their promises I believe this second group have lost their moral centre and/or are simply are too young to remember or to know what Sinn Fein/ IRA have done who they represent and who controls them.

It is not OK to jettison all moral principal in the pursuit of what you want or what you are promised regardless of the source of that promise

People are more complex than you realise.

The IRA are no more. It's all about policies through politics.
The remnants of the IRA are either in SF or likely part of the party in some form I would imagine.
There is no blood sacrifice I'd imagine. You sound like you are trying to write a Swedish black metal song.
There are of course supporters, like yourself, obsessed with one message unwilling to take on board the complexities of people from all parties.

I'm not prepared to forget. It has little bearing when I'm voting for the best option for the tax paying public. This is what FG/FF refuse to take on board. The FF/FG party are too arrogant and ignorant to realise they are the problem not a sudden lack of morals or other fanciful ****e you'd care to hammer.
As i say, if SF put their housing policies more in line with FG, they'd not get a vote from me.

Ain't jettisoned **** buddy

James Brown · 07-07-2020 02:45PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Tbf i think its a matter of personal preference for anyone.
Pearse is recommending I think.
If he had it last week it might have told him, alert, you're in a dangerous situation.

https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1280440979179307009?s=20

Are you suggesting people voting for various parties have various reasons and to quote the 'Life of Brian', "we are all individuals"? Say it ain't so?

James Brown · 07-07-2020 02:47PM

smurgen wrote: »

Is there any evidence SF cancelled or controlled other events on the say or is it just implied as a slur?

He's quoting the Sun. It's a tad right wing. Just a tad mind.

Bishop of hope · 07-07-2020 02:51PM

Bowie wrote: »

Are you suggesting people voting for various parties have various reasons and to quote the 'Life of Brian', "we are all individuals"? Say it ain't so?

I was being incredibly magnanimous there wasn't I.
But I can't help and try and save you from yourselves.
I'm like the great missionaries of old in political terms.
What this I hear about SF censuring their sdcc councillors today until the get further views from da leadership.

JohnnyFlash · 07-07-2020 02:51PM

Does everyone agree that O’Neill should issue a full and forthright apology to her assembly colleagues on behalf of the SF party?

I think so. This is a would that will continue to fester unless it is cauterised.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 02:54PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

In the middle of a pandemic, you're belittling the gravity of the frankly insult to bereaved across the land that this event was
The optics of it and the optics of excusing it

Everybody looked the other way at other events, from drinks in the park to Garda funerals, YOU have been telling us to do just that.
'Optics' are only relevant when you have your eyes open Mort.

James Brown · 07-07-2020 02:57PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I was being incredibly magnanimous there wasn't I.
But I can't help and try and save you from yourselves.
I'm like the great missionaries of old in political terms.
What this I hear about SF censuring their sdcc councillors today until the get further views from da leadership.

Somebody posted an unfounded generalisation and you kind of refuted it a bit. Well done.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Does everyone agree that O’Neill should issue a full and forthright apology to her assembly colleagues on behalf of the SF party?

I think so. This is a would that will continue to fester unless it is cauterised.

No. It will just give fuel, (no pun intended) to Foster so she can play DUP with other issues. Calls for an apology are for point scoring purposes. MON already apologised to anyone upset by their actions. They should apologise for not socially distancing IMO. It's already becoming old news. It's more about trying to get one over.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 03:22PM

Bowie wrote: »

Somebody posted an unfounded generalisation and you kind of refuted it a bit. Well done.

No. It will just give fuel, (no pun intended) to Foster so she can play DUP with other issues. Calls for an apology are for point scoring purposes. MON already apologised to anyone upset by their actions. They should apologise for not socially distancing IMO. It's already becoming old news. It's more about trying to get one over.

I'd expect the PSNI to issue fines for the social distancing issues for which those involved should apologise for. I think MOn has already said the selfie she was in was wrong.

Unless SF as a party are found to have been wrong to organise the funeral I don't think anyone needs to apologise for being there.

Bishop of hope · 07-07-2020 03:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd expect the PSNI to issue fines for the social distancing issues for which those involved should apologise for. I think MOn has already said the selfie she was in was wrong.

Unless SF as a party are found to have been wrong to organise the funeral I don't think anyone needs to apologise for being there.

Tried and found wanting at least,
Thought you thought she was wrong earlier?
Bit of an about turn eh!

hmmm · 07-07-2020 03:38PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Does everyone agree that O’Neill should issue a full and forthright apology to her assembly colleagues on behalf of the SF party?

I think so. This is a would that will continue to fester unless it is cauterised.

It's too late to apologise for the original act, the problem they have now is it has fed into the idea that SF are incredibly arrogant - deny all wrongdoing and try to find some way to deflect. That might work well for their hard-core membership, but turns off the majority.

What would work now is a bit of humbleness. Apologise for not apologising. "In hindsight it was wrong to have a big event considering all the sacrifices that people have been making, and we were wrong to defend it. We'd like to apologise to those we have offended. ".

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 03:42PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Everybody looked the other way at other events, from drinks in the park to Garda funerals, YOU have been telling us to do just that.
'Optics' are only relevant when you have your eyes open Mort.

Nope
Nothing wrong with Vradakar in the park, so stop exaggerating that yet again or comparing its acceptability to this

I've not commented here on the public crowds at Garda Horkan's funeral ,I've only commented on the state funeral itself

What I can say with confidence is,there were No Garda selfies or politicians selfies at it or other funerals disrupted by Garda Horkan's and I'd be confident social distancing rules were adhered to by the State.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 03:47PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Tried and found wanting at least,
Thought you thought she was wrong earlier?
Bit of an about turn eh!

She was. As were others. And she has apologised for any hurt caused.

She isn't going to apologise for attending the funeral of a friend. her words not mine.
But I agree with her. She shouldn't. Because asking for that is the 'political gamemanship part of this' The shamless bit.

Bonniedog · 07-07-2020 03:49PM

Bowie wrote: »

He's quoting the Sun. It's a tad right wing. Just a tad mind.

Shinners have now spent ten years running the north with the DUP.

Some folk might consider them to be a "tad right wing."

As they would the British Tories whose policies the Shinners have been implementing

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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