Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Mortelaro · 06-07-2020 09:45PM

Bowie wrote: »

And that's my opinion.
It's beyond party politics IMO. I think a party and it's politicians are fair game as long as it's about their politics or issues in the public interest. That includes the IRA, have at it.
See my impression is it's mainly by far FG supporters. Anyway, I think insulting people because you don't like the party they may or may not support is pretty low quality discussion, desperate and bitter IMO.

You best take off those tinted glasses so,because if they are causing that skewed a view of what goes on in soc media,God knows what one sided views you might be harbouring on everything and anything else unbeknownst to yourself

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2020 09:48PM

Bowie wrote: »

And that's my opinion.
It's beyond party politics IMO. I think a party and it's politicians are fair game as long as it's about their politics or issues in the public interest. That includes the IRA, have at it.
See my impression is it's mainly by far FG supporters. Anyway, I think insulting people because you don't like the party they may or may not support is pretty low quality discussion, desperate and bitter IMO.

The lazy assumption that anything bad on social media is one party's fault when the reality is that those people are loyal to no party. Handy ammo though.

maccored · 06-07-2020 09:49PM

CorkBlackbird wrote: »

What is it with people’s obsession with SF on Boards..

good question. most of the people starting the threads (apparently) arent fans of SF. They'll have to come out of the 'I love Sinn Fein' closet some day

all about the mane · 06-07-2020 09:51PM

Haven’t been on in a while. What do the shinners here have to say about the fish wife’s jaunt up north? Major **** up there. Orders must have come down from the council. She’s hardly that stupid?

JohnnyFlash · 06-07-2020 10:04PM

Bowie wrote: »

And that's my opinion.
It's beyond party politics IMO. I think a party and it's politicians are fair game as long as it's about their politics or issues in the public interest. That includes the IRA, have at it.
See my impression is it's mainly by far FG supporters. Anyway, I think insulting people because you don't like the party they may or may not support is pretty low quality discussion, desperate and bitter IMO.

It wasn’t aimed at anyone here, dude. It’s more remarking upon how SF supporters flood the journal, Facebook, twitter etc and use various tactics to silence critics, deflect criticism, and employ other dark arts. Like suggesting the morals and character of M Cahill weren’t up to scratch to use one extremely nasty and depressing example.

In fairness, journalists in our print media are starting to write about it.

Bishop of hope · 06-07-2020 10:15PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It wasn’t aimed at anyone here, dude. It’s more remarking upon how SF supporters flood the journal, Facebook, twitter etc and use various tactics to silence critics, deflect criticism, and employ other dark arts. Like suggesting the morals and character of M Cahill weren’t up to scratch to use one extremely nasty and depressing example.

In fairness, journalists in our print media are starting to write about it.

No they're not fair Johnny, don't you know that the general media is biased towards the power swap parties.
Some papers and TV stations should be boycotted.

blanch152 · 06-07-2020 10:45PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I see even Gene Kerrigan taking a pop at SF today in the Sindo. And a strong piece from Máiría Cahill, a woman whose name SF and its online patsies did their best to try and drag through the mud.

Must say I enjoyed the Mairia Cahill description of her granny facing down Storey. It once again showed the old adage of bullies being cowards at heart.

With all due respect to his family, the world is a safer and nicer place without Bobby Storey.

dundalkfc10 · 06-07-2020 10:48PM

Sinn Féin still living rent free in the head Blanch

blanch152 · 06-07-2020 10:48PM

CorkBlackbird wrote: »

What is it with people’s obsession with SF on Boards..

It’s crazy all right. If you look at the numbers of posts by poster in SF threads, you will see defenders of SF posting two and three times the number of posts by any other poster. Other times you will see SF posters adopting usernames to point out certain things about FF or FG. Where do SF get these obsessed supporters from?

blanch152 · 06-07-2020 10:50PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sinn Féin still living rent free in the head Blanch

Seems I am living rent-free in yours, sorry about that.

James Brown · 06-07-2020 10:52PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You best take off those tinted glasses so,because if they are causing that skewed a view of what goes on in soc media,God knows what one sided views you might be harbouring on everything and anything else unbeknownst to yourself

I think I explained my view thanks for the insight though

James Brown · 06-07-2020 10:55PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It wasn’t aimed at anyone here, dude. It’s more remarking upon how SF supporters flood the journal, Facebook, twitter etc and use various tactics to silence critics, deflect criticism, and employ other dark arts. Like suggesting the morals and character of M Cahill weren’t up to scratch to use one extremely nasty and depressing example.

In fairness, journalists in our print media are starting to write about it.

You constantly refer to the kind of people who you believe support SF.
And here you are again doing same.
Why not quote these claims and respond to them rather than generalising and leaving no proof or room for dispute?
Show this in the media then. Generalising with no quotes sounds made up JF.

James Brown · 06-07-2020 11:09PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It’s crazy all right. If you look at the numbers of posts by poster in SF threads, you will see defenders of SF posting two and three times the number of posts by any other poster. Other times you will see SF posters adopting usernames to point out certain things about FF or FG. Where do SF get these obsessed supporters from?

So what? You've issues with people having opinions?
Again, generalisation without quotes is no better than made up.
'Many FG posters post antisocial and racist comments'....see how that works?
Many like myself are likely not even SF supporters, just like to call out pro FG ****e.
Who's SF obsessed?

JohnnyFlash · 06-07-2020 11:50PM

Bowie wrote: »

Show this in the media then. Generalising with no quotes sounds made up JF.

Sure thing, dude.

Mick Clifford in the Examiner: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/michael-clifford-debating-the-tired-claims-of-media-bias-1006275.html

It’s always different, it would appear, when it comes to perceptions among the Shinners of media bias.
Any coverage that touches on the party’s past, culture, structures or extraordinary wealth is deemed unacceptable and actually a product of this bias. On social media, coverage of these issues is presented as examples of how “the media” has it in for the party. This sentiment is then amplified exponentially in the echo chamber of social media.

Colm Kenna in the Times:

I was prompted to write something about populism after being contacted by someone who was appalled by postings he’d tracked on Facebook, published by people commenting on Irish politics. Most of the commentary was angry, some of it was vicious, and almost all of it chimed with the definition for populism cited above.

Among the material he forwarded were screenshots of the work of a man who produces tens of postings on Facebook, hour after hour, day after day. He has five thousand followers, including “community pages” for groups who generate and circulate similar material.

.....

,.....

The man has a voluntary officer role in the local organisation of a sitting TD. I asked him, over Facebook, to contact me, but he didn’t. His TD, whom I telephoned, and who follows him on Facebook, said he was “a very nice man” and expressed surprise that he might publish postings that could be considered offensive.

I decided when writing this not to name the party or the activist, in order to avoid a sterile debate where those who support the party in question would simply hurl abuse in response, and the whole point of raising the topic would be lost.

Many of the man’s postings are accompanied by photo-shopped images. One that he seems to like is a cartoon of a hairy male bottom, with the superimposed faces of Leo Varadkar and Micheal Martin, one on each cheek. “Two cheeks of the same arse”, reads the caption. Another favoured image shows the two politicians, one in each of two toilet bowls: “The same sh*te in different toilets.”

“If I had nothing to live for on this earth and I had made the decision to end my life, I would find a way of getting Leo the liar and as many others in FF and FG TDs and I would do my best to wipe them out and I know it would be great for Ireland and the iron grip these b**tards have on our country would all but end and I would never hit a woman but on that occasion I’m making a few exceptions. Imagine how great it would be to be breaking [a named FG TD’s] nose with a headbutt, keep Leo and Harris until last, and torture them both. I despise these scum and what they are doing to our country and its people. Pure unadulterated scum.”

That's a few quotes.

:cool:

SafeSurfer · 07-07-2020 12:02AM

It’s interesting to note the importance the IRA and Sinn Fein attaches to funerals and their reverence for the dead when they denied funerals to many of the victims they cowardly “disappeared”.

James Brown · 07-07-2020 12:21AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Sure thing, dude.

Mick Clifford in the Examiner: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/michael-clifford-debating-the-tired-claims-of-media-bias-1006275.html

It’s always different, it would appear, when it comes to perceptions among the Shinners of media bias.
Any coverage that touches on the party’s past, culture, structures or extraordinary wealth is deemed unacceptable and actually a product of this bias. On social media, coverage of these issues is presented as examples of how “the media” has it in for the party. This sentiment is then amplified exponentially in the echo chamber of social media.

Colm Kenna in the Times:

I was prompted to write something about populism after being contacted by someone who was appalled by postings he’d tracked on Facebook, published by people commenting on Irish politics. Most of the commentary was angry, some of it was vicious, and almost all of it chimed with the definition for populism cited above.

Among the material he forwarded were screenshots of the work of a man who produces tens of postings on Facebook, hour after hour, day after day. He has five thousand followers, including “community pages” for groups who generate and circulate similar material.

.....

,.....

The man has a voluntary officer role in the local organisation of a sitting TD. I asked him, over Facebook, to contact me, but he didn’t. His TD, whom I telephoned, and who follows him on Facebook, said he was “a very nice man” and expressed surprise that he might publish postings that could be considered offensive.

I decided when writing this not to name the party or the activist, in order to avoid a sterile debate where those who support the party in question would simply hurl abuse in response, and the whole point of raising the topic would be lost.

Many of the man’s postings are accompanied by photo-shopped images. One that he seems to like is a cartoon of a hairy male bottom, with the superimposed faces of Leo Varadkar and Micheal Martin, one on each cheek. “Two cheeks of the same arse”, reads the caption. Another favoured image shows the two politicians, one in each of two toilet bowls: “The same sh*te in different toilets.”

“If I had nothing to live for on this earth and I had made the decision to end my life, I would find a way of getting Leo the liar and as many others in FF and FG TDs and I would do my best to wipe them out and I know it would be great for Ireland and the iron grip these b**tards have on our country would all but end and I would never hit a woman but on that occasion I’m making a few exceptions. Imagine how great it would be to be breaking [a named FG TD’s] nose with a headbutt, keep Leo and Harris until last, and torture them both. I despise these scum and what they are doing to our country and its people. Pure unadulterated scum.”

That's a few quotes.

:cool:

Some journalists have personal opinions. Okay so.
Some people say about FG what I've read about SF here, 'scum' etc.

Here's some peoples opinions.
Here's a Green TD:

A Green Party TD involved in government formation talks suggested Fine Gael TDs had a "personal interest" in keeping rents high because more than a third of them are landlords.[

Neasa Hourigan said in a tweet posted in 2017 that "bias due to personal interest is definitely an issue" after referencing figures showing 36pc of Fine Gael's TDs were landlords.

Fine Gael minister John Paul Phelan last night accused Ms Hourigan of "casting aspersions" on Fine Gael deputies and called on her to clarify the remarks from three years ago.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-minister-claims-that-some-green-members-openly-hate-private-property-and-free-enterprise-39202372.html

Dublin councilor has suggested that people who took part in the anti-racism protests in Dublin should have their €350 COVID-19 payments cut.

Fine Gael Councilor David McManus told a Dublin radio station that the "reckless" protesters should have their weekly payments removed "as their actions are a blatant breach of public health guidelines."

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/racism-protesters-covid19-payment-cut

Fine Gael TD says comments by party byelection candidate ‘dangerous’Verona Murphy, FG candidate in Wexford, said some asylum seekers ‘infiltrated by Isis’

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-td-says-comments-by-party-byelection-candidate-dangerous-1.4087255

Brendan O'Connor: 'Is Fine Gael now happy to get votes from racists?'

In Zagreb last Thursday, Varadkar seemed to be getting almost impatient with people asking him about Verona: "She's apologised twice now for what she said and she's withdrawn her remarks in full. That's good enough for me." Is it really? Is that good enough for him? Is he happy now that she is fit to represent his party in an election? If nothing else, is he not worried about the optics of this? A person makes appalling statements, that are wildly untrue, that basically try to stir up racially based mistrust of three- and four-year-old children, in the course of an election campaign, and the Government is standing by her as their candidate?

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/brendan-oconnor-is-fine-gael-now-happy-to-get-votes-from-racists-38720725.html

These opinions must be 100% fact right?
If I post some right wing quotes can I assign them to FG? If I quote some FG calling SF supporters scum or knuckle daggers is that all FG'ers?

'People, likely FG supporters say things on the internet. Racist party'..not really legit.

Generalising constantly is a game we can all play.

blanch152 · 07-07-2020 12:35AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I criticised this from the get go. Pointing out the political point scoring ain't wahtaboutery.

Who is 'we' by the way?

I noticed you deleted you contention that Mairead McGuinness and Kellegher didn't travel from Brussels...did the rest of the 'we' tip you off that the lies about that had been rumbled?
Maybe Mort kept a screenshot of it.

I see Kelliher has apologised for his trip from Brussels and said that he shouldn’t have travelled. Now that is a proper apology and not some mealy-mouthed half-apology like Mary-lous or Michelle’s

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 12:40AM

blanch152 wrote: »

I see Kelliher has apologised for his trip from Brussels and said that he shouldn’t have travelled. Now that is a proper apology and not some mealy-mouthed half-apology like Mary-lous or Michelle’s

I think they apologised for the hurt caused by the breaches.

As I said before I think it a sad indictment that people are asking mourners to apologise for going to a funeral.
There have been several high profile funerals during the pandemic, I didn't say a thing about anybody who went to them and I am not starting now.

James Brown · 07-07-2020 12:42AM

blanch152 wrote: »

I see Kelliher has apologised for his trip from Brussels and said that he shouldn’t have travelled. Now that is a proper apology and not some mealy-mouthed half-apology like Mary-lous or Michelle’s

I'm sure he meant it. Like your one drove up and brought her mother. They knew they were flouting restrictions.
MON and MLM didn't apologise for atrending the funeral. They should have apologised for not social distancing IMO.

Annasopra · 07-07-2020 07:19AM

Very surprised they shut down their Dublin South West organisation.

Bishop of hope · 07-07-2020 07:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think they apologised for the hurt caused by the breaches.

As I said before I think it a sad indictment that people are asking mourners to apologise for going to a funeral.
There have been several high profile funerals during the pandemic, I didn't say a thing about anybody who went to them and I am not starting now.

Very principled of you Francie, you wouldn't even joke about such things, would you?

Just for annoyance sake, have a read of this.

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-should-be-grateful-to-sinn-fein-for-reminding-the-people-of-its-true-colours-39346401.html

McMurphy · 07-07-2020 07:30AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I see even Gene Kerrigan taking a pop at SF today in the Sindo. And a strong piece from Máiría Cahill, a woman whose name SF and its online patsies did their best to try and drag through the mud.

I think you referred to him as something along the lines of "a champagne socialist professional whinger" that "no-one listened to" John (words might not be precise, but I'm.not far away)

Anyways, nice to see his opinions on things matters again.

Here he is giving his opinion on something yesterday..

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1280174416538800129?s=19

Bishop of hope · 07-07-2020 08:06AM

Political fallout continues a week on and a nurse not too happy either and Michelle continues, to Brazen it out shall we say.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nurse-reports-sinn-fein-mlas-to-police-over-storey-funeral-as-stormont-parties-to-unite-to-demand-apology-39345981.html

dundalkfc10 · 07-07-2020 08:25AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Political fallout continues a week on and a nurse not too happy either and Michelle continues, to Brazen it out shall we say.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nurse-reports-sinn-fein-mlas-to-police-over-storey-funeral-as-stormont-parties-to-unite-to-demand-apology-39345981.html

The police are already investigating as you know a few days noe and haven't even spoke to MON so they must be real interested

maccored · 07-07-2020 09:05AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Very principled of you Francie, you wouldn't even joke about such things, would you?

Just for annoyance sake, have a read of this.

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-should-be-grateful-to-sinn-fein-for-reminding-the-people-of-its-true-colours-39346401.html

wow - the indo slagging off SF ...who'd a thunk that could happen :rolleyes:

Bonniedog · 07-07-2020 09:13AM

Cancelling the cremations is the worst aspect. Same as not allowing more than tiny numbers to attend Mass and Protestant services in rural areas, it is majorly pissing people off. Especially when they have north Korean type event in the middle of it.

Arrogance. And they don't even realise that is what it comes across there as they have developed the self awareness of a turnip.

Any little thing that happens to them or any criticism is occasion of self pitying whinge fest. Think they can do whatever the fk they want if it benefits themselves.

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 09:20AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Very principled of you Francie, you wouldn't even joke about such things, would you?

Just for annoyance sake, have a read of this.

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-should-be-grateful-to-sinn-fein-for-reminding-the-people-of-its-true-colours-39346401.html

Its very Salient

leader of this country's Opposition then boasted that she would have attended the funeral, even if she was Taoiseach, was a chilling reminder of just how important it was to keep her away from government. Surely even those who were happy to engage in some recreational amnesia and forget the carnage caused by its military wing will have winced at the footage of so many senior politicians wilfully ignoring the social distancing rules?

Or have people so greedily swigged from the Sinn Féin/IRA Kool-Aid that they are prepared to forgive even that?

The fact that Belfast City Council was yesterday forced to make a grovelling apology to eight families who were denied the right to attend a loved one's cremation on the same day so many people turned out for Storey's send-off would be humiliating for anyone else.

But this is not a party that deals in humiliation and if McDonald and O'Neill's subsequent and very half-hearted comments are taken at face value, they don't really do apologies either.

The pair of them offered virtually identical non-apology apologies, expressing regret for any 'hurt' that may have been caused to grieving families who played by the rules and stayed away from the cemetery.

It was weapons-grade hypocrisy from a party which knows more about weapons than most.

Its supporters have been quick to use the usual Sinn Féin playbook - when criticised, play the victim and start squealing about the media and west Brits.

However, to all but the most committed Shinnerbot, it was an appalling sight - a show of force masquerading as an act of compassion for their 'friend'.

After all, lots of people have died since the arrival of Covid-19, and they were all friends of someone.

blanch152 · 07-07-2020 09:50AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Very principled of you Francie, you wouldn't even joke about such things, would you?

Just for annoyance sake, have a read of this.

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-should-be-grateful-to-sinn-fein-for-reminding-the-people-of-its-true-colours-39346401.html

Excellent opinion piece.

"Certainly, the fact that Michelle O'Neill actually broke the guidelines she herself helped to compile shows either a level of stupidity or sheer hubris which would be hard to comprehend from any other party."

I would go with a combination of stupidity and sheer hubris myself. For those on here lauding their "apologies", here is a complete deconstruction:

"But this is not a party that deals in humiliation and if McDonald and O'Neill's subsequent and very half-hearted comments are taken at face value, they don't really do apologies either.

The pair of them offered virtually identical non-apology apologies, expressing regret for any 'hurt' that may have been caused to grieving families who played by the rules and stayed away from the cemetery.

It was weapons-grade hypocrisy from a party which knows more about weapons than most."

Once again, I am sure that I will be attacked for having an opinion on this, but here is a reminder that are plenty out there who see the attack dogs for what they are.

"Its supporters have been quick to use the usual Sinn Féin playbook - when criticised, play the victim and start squealing about the media and west Brits.

However, to all but the most committed Shinnerbot, it was an appalling sight - a show of force masquerading as an act of compassion for their 'friend'."

Edgware · 07-07-2020 09:53AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Very surprised they shut down their Dublin South West organisation.

H.S.E. are forwarding extra supplies of crutches to Tallaght Hospital

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 09:57AM

It's gas the amount of democrats that are piling in with the 'it was important to 'keep her' away from government', given the first week of the actual government's performance.

The admission of actual exclusion is hilarious.

By the way, the crematorium and council has issued a statement about what happened at the crematorium. It isn't as it was reported.

So why don't we wait for the PSNI to report because who knows what is being exaggerated.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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