Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Eod100 · 06-07-2020 08:34PM

gipi wrote: »

https://twitter.com/merrionstreet/status/1280198254492295169?s=19

I find it worrying that people identified as contacts are refusing tests - that could be as much of a source of spreading as a "rogue" tourist

Seems strange it's phrased an offer. As in someone might have thought they were grand but could have been symptomatic.

Would have thought that public health legislation would have been more stringent to get them to comply, take a test or face a fine say. 35% is a huge amount.

Icantthinkof1 · 06-07-2020 08:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're allowed to refuse a test even if you're a close contact of a confirmed case?

I never would have even considered that as a possibility. And such a high percentage doing it. Mad.

I would hate to put my children through that test; the nasal swabbing looks intense!
I would get them tested if they needed it though (hopefully they never will)

MickeyLeari · 06-07-2020 08:36PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

They didn't want to pay test costs?

I thought the test would be free and compulsory

You mean that they are charging people for tests? Seriously.

fritzelly · 06-07-2020 08:45PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

You mean that they are charging people for tests? Seriously.

The tests are free
If you go private then thats a different ball game

Boggles · 06-07-2020 08:48PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Not reflecting well on him shooting his mouth off on Cork radio like that without considering the implications and without formal public announcements to that effect.

There doesn't have to be a public announcement, we all ready know.

Phase 4 like all the phases will be contingent on public health advice and what the numbers will be like in 2 weeks.

The main changes are:

pubs, bars, hotel bars and casinos may reopen

gatherings of up to 100 people indoors and 500 outdoors will be permissible

It's actually a huge step.

MickeyLeari · 06-07-2020 08:51PM

fritzelly wrote: »

The tests are free
If you go private then thats a different ball game

Ok. Thanks. Lots of mixed messages.

Is a test automatic if identified by contact tracing? Or only if you symptoms?

I presume it is otherwise on the basis of GP referral?

Stheno · 06-07-2020 08:52PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Ok. Thanks. Lots of mixed messages.

Is a test automatic if identified by contact tracing? Or only if you symptoms?

I presume it is otherwise on the basis of GP referral?

Contacts are offered an initial test and a follow up 7 days later iirc

Goldengirl · 06-07-2020 08:55PM

speckle wrote: »

I would love to know how,where and when(dates) the healthcare staff who got from travel got it. Where they one of the biggest seeders in that setting?

Lot more questions about that information, and that is not the first that comes to my mind !

VonLuck · 06-07-2020 09:12PM

Why are people so adamant that there won't be any jump from the weekend's pub antics? All it takes is one infected person to squeeze their way down Dame Lane when it was jammed with pub goers. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that there could be cases arising from the pubs opening, but I see a lot of people mocking anyone advising caution.

Sure, there's a chance that there won't be any significant increases (which I hope is the case), but that doesn't mean you just ignore all advice and ignore all social distancing rules. Does no one remember that outbreak in South Korea a few weeks ago just from one guy going from bar to bar?

What Username Guidelines · 06-07-2020 09:18PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Why are people so adamant that there won't be any jump from the weekend's pub antics? All it takes is one infected person to squeeze their way down Dame Lane when it was jammed with pub goers. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that there could be cases arising from the pubs opening, but I see a lot of people mocking anyone advising caution.

Sure, there's a chance that there won't be any significant increases (which I hope is the case), but that doesn't mean you just ignore all advice and ignore all social distancing rules. Does no one remember that outbreak in South Korea a few weeks ago just from one guy going from bar to bar?

Unfortunately you don’t hear much about other thousands of bars in South Korea the same night that didn’t have the issue.

There’s been house parties, can on the canal, etc going on throughout the lockdown. Protests, funerals over the limit, etc. None have led to spikes.

The issue here though is that if everyone looks at this and thinks, **** it it’s all safe, covid is gone, there may be further outbreaks. The chances of someone being asymptomatic in dame lane on Saturday are very very slim, but there are infections in the community. Considering we’re testing like mad and our positivity rate is a number of factors lower than even the false positivity rate of PCR tests, it is likely we’ll see spikes happening and hopefully be able to contain them for the most part.

mloc123 · 06-07-2020 09:19PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Why are people so adamant that there won't be any jump from the weekend's pub antics? All it takes is one infected person to squeeze their way down Dame Lane when it was jammed with pub goers. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that there could be cases arising from the pubs opening, but I see a lot of people mocking anyone advising caution.

Sure, there's a chance that there won't be any significant increases (which I hope is the case), but that doesn't mean you just ignore all advice and ignore all social distancing rules. Does no one remember that outbreak in South Korea a few weeks ago just from one guy going from bar to bar?

People aren't sure... But, look at the previous events that had people in a twist... The BLM protests, packed beaches, huge house/estate parties etc... No increase was seen from these.

speckle · 06-07-2020 09:22PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Lot more questions about that information, and that is not the first that comes to my mind !

I have too but presumed others would be asking them:-)

s1ippy · 06-07-2020 09:27PM

Ryanair to Introduce Covid-19 Priority Queue on All Flights

it’s not just carriers of Covid-19 that can avail of the new priority queue, anyone hoping to potentially catch and spread the disease to loved ones can pay for priority as can sexual deviants who have a coughing fetish.

About damn time! :pac:

bb1234567 · 06-07-2020 09:28PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Why are people so adamant that there won't be any jump from the weekend's pub antics? All it takes is one infected person to squeeze their way down Dame Lane when it was jammed with pub goers. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that there could be cases arising from the pubs opening, but I see a lot of people mocking anyone advising caution.

Sure, there's a chance that there won't be any significant increases (which I hope is the case), but that doesn't mean you just ignore all advice and ignore all social distancing rules. Does no one remember that outbreak in South Korea a few weeks ago just from one guy going from bar to bar?

Nobody knows, but there have been dozens of gatherings over the last few months in particular the BLM protests that have not led to even the slightest increase. So I think everyone is saying maybe just don't panic yet, rather than them being adamant there will be no rise

Goldengirl · 06-07-2020 09:33PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I'd say probably but maybe people there didn't film it and post it online potentially. I don't think the government would actually do that when they brought forward date pubs could open by 3 weeks. Would reflect badly on them and vinters would go mad.

Yes. God forbid the government upset the Vintners Ass .

fr336 · 06-07-2020 09:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The chances of picking it up in public now in Ireland is limited at best

Hard to disagree! Thank god for the lockdown.

Goldengirl · 06-07-2020 09:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

to slap everyone on the wrist and give them a warning. Its childish to be honest

So you think they shouldn't say anything to warn the public and the pub owners that any further risky behaviour is threatening our recovery?
That would be worse,in my opinion.

What Username Guidelines · 06-07-2020 09:53PM

The contact tracing app is available for iOS on the App Store this evening

https://apps.apple.com/ie/app/covid-tracker-ireland/id1505596721

fr336 · 06-07-2020 09:56PM

How long until certain anti mask, anti lockdown, anti restriction people pipe up and say "Contract tracing app? I'm not givin dem my details, invasion of privacy init!"

Rob A. Bank · 06-07-2020 09:57PM

The strange tale of the cigarette lighter that spread coronavirus around a city

"As it has elsewhere in the world, the coronavirus found a hole in Australia’s system: It spread in part because of the sharing of a cigarette lighter among security guards working at a hotel where returning international travellers are being quarantined.

It later circulated in low-income neighbourhoods in the Melbourne area with sizable migrant populations, including inside a supermarket distribution centre.

The surge shows how even in countries that appear to be on track to safely resume normal life, the virus can quickly resurface."

From The Irish Times

What Username Guidelines · 06-07-2020 09:59PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

The contact tracing app is available for iOS on the App Store this evening

https://apps.apple.com/ie/app/covid-tracker-ireland/id1505596721

Apparently Bluetooth exposure notifications are unavailable in my region, tho I’m using beta iOS 14, my wife’s phone seems to work with it.

Away With The Fairies · 06-07-2020 10:01PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

The contact tracing app is available for iOS on the App Store this evening

https://apps.apple.com/ie/app/covid-tracker-ireland/id1505596721

Is it available on the Google app store yet?

MickeyLeari · 06-07-2020 10:02PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Apparently Bluetooth exposure notifications are unavailable in my region, tho I’m using beta iOS 14, my wife’s phone seems to work with it.

Does it work when you are roaming?

alentejo · 06-07-2020 10:02PM

What happened in Dame Lane during the weekend was wrong! end of. However, being outside the chances of catching covid are reduced by a factor of ten. ie. being outside you are a lot less prone to catching the disease.

I thing AGS and DCC should very quickly have a plan for the 20th of July to allow outdoor drinking which is safe. I think you can have a balance between some sort of crowd control and out door gatherings, however needs to be controlled.

The majority of pub owners should / will be / are responsible ..

fr336 · 06-07-2020 10:03PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The strange tale of the cigarette lighter that spread coronavirus around a city

"As it has elsewhere in the world, the coronavirus found a hole in Australia’s system: It spread in part because of the sharing of a cigarette lighter among security guards working at a hotel where returning international travellers are being quarantined.

It later circulated in low-income neighbourhoods in the Melbourne area with sizable migrant populations, including inside a supermarket distribution centre.

The surge shows how even in countries that appear to be on track to safely resume normal life, the virus can quickly resurface."

From The Irish Times

Ban cigarettes immediately!

fritzelly · 06-07-2020 10:06PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is it available on the Google app store yet?

Not yet

Goldengirl · 06-07-2020 10:06PM

Morrison J wrote: »

We never hit the 100k a week capacity for tests or came close, thats including the tests we sent to Germany too. The HSE have said its been scaled down and apparently its basically being built from scratch again. Its the speed of the testing that is really important though and thats our biggest issue.

The testing times have been getting slower despite the fact that the demand has decreased a boat load. No answer for why its so much slower either.

We have time now to build an infrastructure to catch the virus before it spreads and we get a second wave. I like what Stephen Donnelly has been saying for a while now. Clearly understands the situation and what we need a lot more than Harris did. I'm slightly more optimistic that we have the people who are that bit more proactive in government now that maybe things can improve. Leo and Harris were all reactive, not proactive at all.

Stephen Donnelly is a joke in such a position.
Knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing .
Fell out with Roisín Shortall over Sláintecare because he thinks he can do a bargain basement overhaul.

Ineedaname · 06-07-2020 10:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The strange tale of the cigarette lighter that spread coronavirus around a city

"As it has elsewhere in the world, the coronavirus found a hole in Australia’s system: It spread in part because of the sharing of a cigarette lighter among security guards working at a hotel where returning international travellers are being quarantined.

It later circulated in low-income neighbourhoods in the Melbourne area with sizable migrant populations, including inside a supermarket distribution centre.

The surge shows how even in countries that appear to be on track to safely resume normal life, the virus can quickly resurface."

From The Irish Times

There's a bit more to that story now in fairness. It wasn't just because of the cigarette lighter. They were illegally carpooling and socialising with the guests. Apparently some were even sleeping with them.

MickeyLeari · 06-07-2020 10:09PM

alentejo wrote: »

What happened in Dame Lane during the weekend was wrong! end of. However, being outside the chances of catching covid are reduced by a factor of ten. ie. being outside you are a lot less prone to catching the disease.

I thing AGS and DCC should very quickly have a plan for the 20th of July to allow outdoor drinking which is safe. I think you can have a balance between some sort of crowd control and out door gatherings, however needs to be controlled.

The majority of pub owners should / will be / are responsible ..

I thought that outside drinking was banned in Dublin through bye laws. This was a public order issue - AGS need to be on top of it. Meanwhile they can have some creativity around outside tables and chairs.

Goldengirl · 06-07-2020 10:11PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I would hate to put my children through that test; the nasal swabbing looks intense!
I would get them tested if they needed it though (hopefully they never will)

What if they are being swabbed as a requirement of a return to fully open schools?

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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