Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 12:08PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

were the Irish news there?

I have no idea...you are the man with your finger on the pulse of 'sectarian boycotts' and sectarian inclusions.

Get on the case there Mort, report back to us.

Mortelaro · 05-07-2020 12:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have no idea...you are the man with your finger on the pulse of 'sectarian boycotts' and sectarian inclusions.

Get on the case there Mort, report back to us.

Your first replies were,they're lying,an poblacht aren't invited to FG news conferences
They're too small
They're biased
In other words, you're avoiding the tough questions on the boycott ,

Does such a boycott like that signal SF's attitude in government here if there's tough questions? Yes it does
I'm not aware of any other party that has done this in Ireland are you?

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 12:32PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Your first replies were,they're lying,an poblacht aren't invited to FG news conferences
They're too small
They're biased
In other words, you're avoiding the tough questions on the boycott ,

A newspaper says it wasn't invited to a press conference and that is eveidence of a 'boycott'?
You think the Telegraph are not capable of asking 'tough questions'?

Does such a boycott like that signal SF's attitude in government here if there's tough questions? Yes it does
I'm not aware of any other party that has done this in Ireland are you?

Does Enda Kenny's boycott of tough questions on Vincent Browne indicate anything about Fine Gael?

https://theliberal.ie/gay-marriage-fianna-fail-refused-our-journalists-access-to-their-press-conference-this-morning/

Fine Gael issued a directive apparently for all TD's etc to boycott the 'Peoples Debate' hosted by Vincent Browne on TV3

When you are going to start throwing stones Mort...check out whether you are going to break your own windows first.

Mortelaro · 05-07-2020 12:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A newspaper says it wasn't invited to a press conference and that is eveidence of a 'boycott'?
You think the Telegraph are not capable of asking 'tough questions'?

Does Enda Kenny's boycott of tough questions on Vincent Browne indicate anything about Fine Gael?

https://theliberal.ie/gay-marriage-fianna-fail-refused-our-journalists-access-to-their-press-conference-this-morning/

Fine Gael issued a directive apparently for all TD's etc to boycott the 'Peoples Debate' hosted by Vincent Browne on TV3

When you are going to start throwing stones Mort...check out whether you are going to break your own windows first.

Enda didn't boycott TV3 or news outlets asking tough questions
So like for like please, why were the newsletter not invited?
Are they as you say lying,too small,its because An Poblacht aren't at FG news conferences or they're biased
All excuses you've put up in the last hour
Very trumpian

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 12:50PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Enda didn't boycott TV3 or news outlets asking tough questions
So like for like please, why were the newsletter not invited?
Are they as you say lying,too small,its because An Poblacht aren't at FG news conferences or they're biased
All excuses you've put up in the last hour
Very trumpian

They are not 'excuses'. I'm as in the dark as you are. I don't even know if it is true.

You however have escalated it to a full scale 'sectarian boycott'.

And also are positing the theory that Enda didn't avoid 'hard questions'.

Mortelaro · 05-07-2020 01:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are not 'excuses'. I'm as in the dark as you are. I don't even know if it is true.

You however have escalated it to a full scale 'sectarian boycott'.

And also are positing the theory that Enda didn't avoid 'hard questions'.

So you've settled on the 'they're lying' theory
I never said Enda 'didn't avoid hard questions '
He didn't boycott whole news outlets
That would be sinister

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 01:06PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

So you've settled on the 'they're lying' theory
I never said Enda 'didn't avoid hard questions '
He didn't boycott whole news outlets
That would be sinister

Here is the sentence you have jumped the shark on.

(the Newsletter was not invited)

That has become a full scale sectarian boycott of a news outlet.

Good man Mort. Keeping things in perspective you will never be accused of anyhow.

Mortelaro · 05-07-2020 01:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is the sentence you have jumped the shark on.

(the Newsletter was not invited)

That has become a full scale sectarian boycott of a news outlet.

Good man Mort. Keeping things in perspective you will never be accused of anyhow.

So there's no boycott and the newsletter is lying?
Ok

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 01:23PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

So there's no boycott and the newsletter is lying?
Ok

No boycott I am aware of.
Can you demonstrate one?

Is the newspaper lying; I don't know that either and never said I did. They may be lying though.

Edit: I note the 'sectarian' bit has been dropped...progress!

James Brown · 05-07-2020 01:23PM

feargale wrote: »

That is utter bulls**t, akin to Adams never in the IRA....

SF are dredging the bottom of the barrel in trying to deflect from their Nazi fellow-traveller past.
...

I'm reminded of my friendly discussions with Mormon missionaries years ago.
"Did you ever doubt your faith?"
"Yes, many times, but not anymore."

If DeV the man defrauded thousands of Irish the world over said it, it must be true.
You raised the fasicist/Nazi connection common to all major Irish parties at the time so cool the faux outrage.
If you lived in the real world you'd realise, based on election results, many people switch their votes about. Right now I'd take SF head and shoulders above FG/FF and I prefer the SD's. Get over it.

Mortelaro · 05-07-2020 01:47PM

Bowie wrote: »

. Get over it.

I think if you expect the mutual criticism of voting intentions to end here, you'll be sorely disappointed

James Brown · 05-07-2020 03:13PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think if you expect the mutual criticism of voting intentions to end here, you'll be sorely disappointed

I don't. I'm trying to educate him on the fact that not everyone votes the same way in every election.
And calling out the low hanging hypocrisy of FF/FG is not a sign that you vote for any specific party.
I openly vote SD, SF and admit to being a Labour party member in the past and having voted FG.

JohnnyFlash · 05-07-2020 03:27PM

I see even Gene Kerrigan taking a pop at SF today in the Sindo. And a strong piece from Máiría Cahill, a woman whose name SF and its online patsies did their best to try and drag through the mud.

Mortelaro · 05-07-2020 03:55PM

Bowie wrote: »

I don't. I'm trying to educate him on the fact that not everyone votes the same way in every election.
And calling out the low hanging hypocrisy of FF/FG is not a sign that you vote for any specific party.
I openly vote SD, SF and admit to being a Labour party member in the past and having voted FG.

Ah anyone reading here would associate you with sinn féin,mostly defending them etc,same as I seem to be doing with FG
It's a reflection on the posters economic and societal preferences

SafeSurfer · 05-07-2020 04:12PM

Bowie wrote: »

If DeV the man defrauded thousands of Irish the world over said it, it must be true.
You raised the fasicist/Nazi connection common to all major Irish parties at the time so cool the faux outrage.
If you lived in the real world you'd realise, based on election results, many people switch their votes about. Right now I'd take SF head and shoulders above FG/FF and I prefer the SD's. Get over it.

Newspaper articles this weekend are comparing Sunn Fein with fascist parties because they tick some of the boxes associated with fascist parties.
Private army. Check
Cult of personality. Check
Theatrical quasi military funerals Check
Justification of political violence. Check

05-07-2020 04:49PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Newspaper articles this weekend are comparing Sunn Fein with fascist parties because they tick some of the boxes associated with fascist parties.
Private army. Check
Cult of personality. Check
Theatrical quasi military funerals Check
Justification of political violence. Check

Of course the obvious difference being avoidence of survival of strongest policies,racism and using of state forces to crush dissent, (like say garda batton charging paramilitary funerals as was proposed after alan ryan funeral)....division of communities/econmies into ridgid structures opposing state involvement in helping poor

It is a really really poor comparison to try make,esp since thread after thread is full of people screaming shinnerz are dole waster party and sneering at social proposals put forward by them (like say increasing covid payment!)

Truthvader · 05-07-2020 05:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course the obvious difference being avoidence of survival of strongest policies,racism and using of state forces to crush dissent, (like say garda batton charging paramilitary funerals as was proposed after alan ryan funeral)....division of communities/econmies into ridgid structures opposing state involvement in helping poor

It is a really really poor comparison to try make,esp since thread after thread is full of people screaming shinnerz are dole waster party and sneering at social proposals put forward by them (like say increasing covid payment!)

Jesus what is this even about?

Truthvader · 05-07-2020 05:31PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Newspaper articles this weekend are comparing Sunn Fein with fascist parties because they tick some of the boxes associated with fascist parties.
Private army. Check
Cult of personality. Check
Theatrical quasi military funerals Check
Justification of political violence. Check

Think I pointed this out this morning

Why is everyone going on about Hitler etc? Its 2020 and only one party follows the National Socislist program of infantile Nationalism, blood sacrifice, recovery of lost lands and the promise of state largesse while retaining an army of thug enforcers

maccored · 05-07-2020 05:40PM

feargale wrote: »

Quote: blanch152
The bit in bold is the biggest lie put forward by the SF/IRA apologists.

The people never wanted the IRA. They only voted for Sinn Fein once the IRA stopped killing people for no reason. Yes, the nationalist people, they wanted a united Ireland, but they never wanted idiotic kids and criminal sociopaths to go around killing and bombing to get one. However, they are still a minority in the North.

What the people want, and the election results show this time and again, is peace and to remain part of the UK. It is delusional to imagine anything else.

Thats not going to stop the likes of you though talking absolute bollocks about the north - I know that.

Basic lesson in civics: when you want to know what people want you count votes. SF never got a mandate at the ballot box while the IRA were killing people. Now I know that the level SF/IRA's enthusiasm for the ballot box is in direct ratio to the level of their performance at elections. I remember expressions of utter contempt for the people's verdict when it wasn't favourable to them.
Sure the few who did get elected during the bombing and shooting only got the nod because the voters knew they weren't in the IRA, like Gerry for instance.

God, do I remember that old shibboleth! When we southerners opened our mouths we were told we knew nothing about it. When we said nothing we were told we didn't care.
We were supposed to sit silently and answer yes sir, no sir.
Did Hume and Mallon know anything about it? Are you saying the people didn't want them? You need to brush up on your sums.

can you translate that for me please? I never learned to read waffle.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 05:41PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Think I pointed this out this morning

Why is everyone going on about Hitler etc? Its 2020 and only one party follows the National Socislist program of infantile Nationalism, blood sacrifice, recovery of lost lands and the promise of state largesse while retaining an army of thug enforcers

What the hell is: National Socislist program of infantile Nationalism

You having a bad day Truth, too many scandals in the new coalition getting to you?

05-07-2020 05:45PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Jesus what is this even about?

A basic rundown on the main things that facism is

Did anyone learn anything in cspe in school??

If yous are gonna compare something to facism,perhaps you should know,what facism is to begin with??:pac:

James Brown · 05-07-2020 05:49PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I see even Gene Kerrigan taking a pop at SF today in the Sindo. And a strong piece from Máiría Cahill, a woman whose name SF and its online patsies did their best to try and drag through the mud.

I only see one nefarious cabal repeatedly using Ms. Cahill to score political points.

Bishop of hope · 05-07-2020 05:58PM

https://twitter.com/moneillsf/status/1279721149824409600?s=20

And thank you Michelle, you are a shining example yourself.

James Brown · 05-07-2020 06:03PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

https://twitter.com/moneillsf/status/1279721149824409600?s=20

And thank you Michelle, you are a shining example yourself.

I disagree. What makes you think that?

Loafing Oaf · 05-07-2020 06:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If yous are gonna compare something to facism,perhaps you should know,what facism is to begin with??:pac:

Knowing how to spell it being a good start?

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 06:05PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

And thank you Michelle, you are a shining example yourself.

Maybe you can see why Leo was sending all the wrong signals racing to the park having cans when restrictions were much tighter.

O'Neill was wrong too to be involved in selfies and sending the wrong signals as a leader.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 06:14PM

Bowie wrote: »

I only see one nefarious cabal repeatedly using Ms. Cahill to score political points.

Mairia was basically employed to have a weekly anti-SF column.

Bishop of hope · 05-07-2020 06:16PM

Bowie wrote: »

I disagree. What makes you think that?

That was a joke.
But if you read the comments under it shows what I said would happen.
SF are now seen as hypocrites and, their covid messaging and leadership is gone by the wayside.
And Francie, that would include our reps from this side of the border too I feel. Marylou and Pearse.
I ont think Leo's Park lark had the same affect at all.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 06:24PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I ont think Leo's Park lark had the same affect at all.

Of course you don't. But others did.
He's running around drinking in the park, out buying clothes, eating out, for self promotion shots, because he cannot resist that for some narcissist reason. You could use the same logic you are using on SF and ask what did you expect people were going to do in Dublin last night...the exact same thing. Problem is when you get hundreds copying him, in the one confined area.

That's the problem you don't see being created because you are prepared to turn a blind eye to it. We get it.

James Brown · 05-07-2020 06:26PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

That was a joke.
But if you read the comments under it shows what I said would happen.
SF are now seen as hypocrites and, their covid messaging and leadership is gone by the wayside.
And Francie, that would include our reps from this side of the border too I feel. Marylou and Pearse.
I ont think Leo's Park lark had the same affect at all.

Poor joke.
I agree and distancing talk would be hypocritical of north and south SF.
Me neither. His using movie quotes would cover that, which doesnt cancel what SF did.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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