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Bannasidhe · 05-07-2020 04:17PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No, I said he should be demoted,, did you not see that.
In comparison to the funeral debacle though he held his, hands up and admitted he was wrong.
Same for Kelleher whom you linked to today. https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0705/1151498-kelleher-mep-apology/

All were wrong, but so far only two have admitted it, one crew hasn't as yet, I can't mention their collective name as yous lads might get offended. .

You mean an apology like this? https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/03/news/mary-lou-mcdonald-apologises-for-any-hurt-caused-over-crowds-at-bobby-storey-funeral-1994480/

Anyone seen an apology from Charlie Flaghnan for flouting restrictions and being part of a large, not socially distanced, funeral? Or Garda HQ for not maintaining social distancing despite their high profile attendance?

I may have missed them among all the 'it's different' comments.

James Brown · 05-07-2020 04:17PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No, I said he should be demoted,, did you not see that.
In comparison to the funeral debacle though he held his, hands up and admitted he was wrong.
Same for Kelleher whom you linked to today. https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0705/1151498-kelleher-mep-apology/

All were wrong, but so far only two have admitted it, one crew hasn't as yet, I can't mention their collective name as yous lads might get offended. .

Can you not discuss one thing without jumping to another? Cowen's story was ignored until now. That's a media query not forgetting comparison to how Daly was treated.

Truthvader · 05-07-2020 04:18PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

There is already a thread where you're fellow travelers bash Sinn Féin. Obviously You want to turn this one into the same thing, but eh that's not going to happen a chara. This thread is the thread where the FFG lead government is going to be scrutinised relentlessly.

By you??? Ooooer help Mummy!

James Brown · 05-07-2020 04:20PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

So what is this, a thread which is used by shinnerbots to pump out propaganda and everybody else stand and watch.

I’d be surprised if the management of this platform would be happy with that.

Then again maybe they would.

Be nice to know.

Nope. It was a few people discussing the latest political news. You didnt like it and tried to change it to SF. That would make you the bot.
Threads have titles for a reason.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 04:21PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No, I said he should be demoted,, did you not see that.
In comparison to the funeral debacle though he held his, hands up and admitted he was wrong.
Same for Kelleher whom you linked to today. https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0705/1151498-kelleher-mep-apology/

All were wrong, but so far only two have admitted it, one crew hasn't as yet, I can't mention their collective name as yous lads might get offended. .

SF have apologised for any hurt caused by their holding a funeral.
Straight up...they didn't wait 4 years to do that or until they were exposed..like Cowen and Kellegher.

If you are waiting for SF to apologise for actually having or going to a funeral, I think you'll be waiting and rightfully so in my opinion.

Accepting that almost all of the breaches in Belfast occurred in Mayo, would you be asking anyone to apologise for going to the state funeral?

Truthvader · 05-07-2020 04:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF have apologised for any hurt caused by their holding a funeral.
Straight up...they didn't wait 4 years to do that or until they were exposed..like Cowen and Kellegher.

If you are waiting for SF to apologise for actually having or going to a funeral, I think you'll be waiting and rightfully so in my opinion.

Accepting that almost all of the breaches in Belfast occurred in Mayo, would you be asking anyone to apologise for going to the state funeral?

I supppse if they wont apologise for causing so many funerals they cant really be expected to apologise for having one

Bishop of hope · 05-07-2020 04:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF have apologised for any hurt caused by their holding a funeral.
Straight up...they didn't wait 4 years to do that or until they were exposed..like Cowen and Kellegher.

If you are waiting for SF to apologise for actually having or going to a funeral, I think you'll be waiting and rightfully so in my opinion.

Accepting that almost all of the breaches in Belfast occurred in Mayo, would you be asking anyone to apologise for going to the state funeral?

I was, going to reply to Bowie and this popped, up, so both.

They apologised for any hurt caused, not for the, fact they were there and defend that by saying they did nothing wrong.

RandomViewer · 05-07-2020 04:26PM

Will the next Dail sitting be postponed if Michael Martin and co are isolating after being in contact with Kelleher?

James Brown · 05-07-2020 04:30PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I was, going to reply to Bowie and this popped, up, so both.

They apologised for any hurt caused, not for the, fact they were there and defend that by saying they did nothing wrong.

So Cowen was a victim for somebody with an axe to grind and a media contact or the media sat on it? Likely MM was lying about not knowing it his party have him isolated.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 04:31PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I was, going to reply to Bowie and this popped, up, so both.

They apologised for any hurt caused, not for the, fact they were there and defend that by saying they did nothing wrong.

It was against any regs to be there. SF's organisation of the event was wrong and adherence to social distancing was wrong IMO. They say it wasn't and I guess we will have to see what the police say.

So given that, we will move on in the near future to see what the punishments are for wrongdoing. Will Cowen and Kellegher be punished I wonder or will they be given a pass by their party leader?

The_Conductor · 05-07-2020 04:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF have apologised for any hurt caused by their holding a funeral.
Straight up...they didn't wait 4 years to do that or until they were exposed..like Cowen and Kellegher.

If you are waiting for SF to apologise for actually having or going to a funeral, I think you'll be waiting and rightfully so in my opinion.

Accepting that almost all of the breaches in Belfast occurred in Mayo, would you be asking anyone to apologise for going to the state funeral?

Sinn Fein apologised for any hurt caused by the controversy over the attendance of MLMcD or MON at Bobby Storey's funeral.

They most certainly did not apologise for holding the funeral in the manner in which they did- or for the scenes of large numbers of people gathering with no social distancing.

Read the press release- it specifically apologises for any hurt caused by the controversy of MLMcD's and MON's attendance at the funeral- nothing else.

James Brown · 05-07-2020 04:35PM

The_Conductor wrote: »

Sinn Fein apologised for any hurt caused by the controversy over the attendance of MLMcD or MON at Bobby Storey's funeral.

They most certainly did not apologise for holding the funeral in the manner in which they did- or for the scenes of large numbers of people gathering with no social distancing.

Read the press release- it specifically apologises for any hurt caused by the controversy of MLMcD's and MON's attendance at the funeral- nothing else.

So Cowen wins?

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 04:35PM

The_Conductor wrote: »

Sinn Fein apologised for any hurt caused by the controversy over the attendance of MLMcD or MON at Bobby Storey's funeral.

They most certainly did not apologise for holding the funeral in the manner in which they did- or for the scenes of large numbers of people gathering with no social distancing.

Read the press release- it specifically apologises for any hurt caused by the controversy of MLMcD's and MON's attendance at the funeral- nothing else.

Yes. And it will be up to the police to decide if SF were responsible for the behaviour of the crowds who turned up.
As McBride pointed out they had 1800 stewards/marshalls there so they did make some effort.

We'll see what the police say.

Bishop of hope · 05-07-2020 04:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was against any regs to be there. SF's organisation of the event was wrong and adherence to social distancing was wrong IMO. They say it wasn't and I guess we will have to see what the police say.

So given that, we will move on in the near future to see what the punishments are for wrongdoing. Will Cowen and Kellegher be punished I wonder or will they be given a pass by their party leader?

Back on that, Michael has said he accepts Cowens apology and he feels he has genuine remorse.
So unless outside pressure makes him change his mind it looks like he will do nothing.
I wonder will cowen make a Dáil statement and apologise there too. Its been a humiliating weekend for him and he deserves it all.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 04:54PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Back on that, Michael has said he accepts Cowens apology and he feels he has genuine remorse.
So unless outside pressure makes him change his mind it looks like he will do nothing.
I wonder will cowen make a Dáil statement and apologise there too. Its been a humiliating weekend for him and he deserves it all.

Personally I would be more worried about the sinister people controlling when these stories make it into the public domain.

Snow Garden · 05-07-2020 04:55PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Whistleblower says FG minister intervened in an animal cruelty prosecution

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/official-blows-whistle-on-animal-cruelty-case-dropped-after-heather-humphreys-letter-5dlzb6h6g

According to this Wright was prosecuted in 2017 https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/court-hears-of-horror-animal-welfare-scene-at-border-farm-35414671.html

Same guy prosecuted in 2008 https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/the-irish-times/20080312/281638185909682

Banned from farming for life and told to divest himself of all livestock within 60 days in 2010 https://www.anglocelt.ie/2010/02/24/banned-from-farming-for-life/

Now in 2020 we have this
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/farmer-says-ministers-move-may-have-put-halt-to-animal-cruelty-charges-38982684.html#:~:text=Brian%20Wright%2C%20Killygorman%2C%20Newbliss%2C%20Co%20Monaghan.,-Patrick%20O'Connell&text=A%20FARMER%20who%20was%20facing,in%20his%20case%20being%20dropped.

Animal welfare is a serious issue in this country and one of the main problems ls lack of enforcement/prosecution.
Now we have a Govt minister 'delivering a letter' in relation to the 4th prosecution of a farmer banned 10 years ago from farming due to animal cruelty.

That is sickening. I am looking forward to this FFG government showing their true colours.

James Brown · 05-07-2020 05:07PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

That is sickening. I am looking forward to this FFG government showing their true colours.

Why write the letter? Did she not know his record? She's not even in office a week ffs..

RandomViewer · 05-07-2020 05:18PM

Bowie wrote: »

Why write the letter? Did she not know his record? She's not even in office a week ffs..

Probably a relative

James Brown · 05-07-2020 05:22PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Probably a relative

Surely the Greens will be livid :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2020 05:27PM

Bowie wrote: »

Surely the Greens will be livid :rolleyes:

Thought Heather had survived that one. Wonder what the 'disclosure' says.

RandomViewer · 05-07-2020 05:40PM

Bowie wrote: »

Surely the Greens will be livid :rolleyes:

Doubt it, Greens hate livestock,

James Brown · 05-07-2020 05:53PM

Humphreys pulling strings for someone with no business having livestock and news of Cowen claiming full driving expenses for the period he was banned from driving.
Week one

Brendan Bendar · 05-07-2020 06:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes. And it will be up to the police to decide if SF were responsible for the behaviour of the crowds who turned up.
As McBride pointed out they had 1800 stewards/marshalls there so they did make some effort.

We'll see what the police say.

The same auld fcukery that always goes on.

What will those who take no responsibility for lack of social distancing do.

Nobody takes responsibility for themselves in this situation, unlike in numerous funerals.

Police are not to blame.

Muahahaha · 05-07-2020 06:24PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

That is sickening. I am looking forward to this FFG government showing their true colours.

Has the letter Humphreys wrote been released under FOI yet? Be interesting to see the content of that.

Bowie wrote: »

Humphreys pulling strings for someone with no business having livestock and news of Cowen claiming full driving expenses for the period he was banned from driving.
Week one

Plus he was driving on a provisional license at the age of 49. Did he not pass his driving test his whole life? Or did he lose a full license for some other reason? Also says he had two pints before a match at Croker, then dinner, then a drive to Offaly. His two pints excuse doesnt add up one bit

Bannasidhe · 05-07-2020 07:16PM

Bowie wrote: »

Why write the letter? Did she not know his record? She's not even in office a week ffs..

I found press reports on his previous convictions in a matter of seconds.It wouldn't have been difficult to do a bit of due diligence before getting involved.
She says she delivered the letter for a 3rd party - are TDs moonlighting as couriers now?

RandomViewer · 05-07-2020 07:29PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Has the letter Humphreys wrote been released under FOI yet? Be interesting to see the content of that.

Plus he was driving on a provisional license at the age of 49. Did he not pass his driving test his whole life? Or did he lose a full license for some other reason? Also says he had two pints before a match at Croker, then dinner, then a drive to Offaly. His two pints excuse doesnt add up one bit

A long time ago I was breathalyed around 3 in the morning , I would have drank five or six pints of beer the afternoon before, I was clear so two pints of what, raw vodka?

Itssoeasy · 05-07-2020 08:52PM

I find it amazing that Mary Lou McDonald couldn’t see the obvious backlash over the attendance at the funeral. I mean on a fundamental level she seems a shrewd political mind but clearly made a misstep. The thing is the death of a friend during the lockdown and not being able to attend the funeral is one many people have experienced so poor optics and perception issues there.

The Barry Cowen story is baffling. I mean does Michael Martin not talk with his TDs, because surely he’d have wondered why a TD is his wasn’t driving for three months. Or maybe it’s just something we’d do. Also, he said he had two pints before the match so given the match would have started at 3:30pm, and he had something to eat he says, and getting out of Dublin on all Ireland final day is a pain, and half of mayo were going west, two pints of what exactly ?

Bishop of hope · 05-07-2020 09:13PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I find it amazing that Mary Lou McDonald couldn’t see the obvious backlash over the attendance at the funeral. I mean on a fundamental level she seems a shrewd political mind but clearly made a misstep. The thing is the death of a friend during the lockdown and not being able to attend the funeral is one many people have experienced so poor optics and perception issues there.

The Barry Cowen story is baffling. I mean does Michael Martin not talk with his TDs, because surely he’d have wondered why a TD is his wasn’t driving for three months. Or maybe it’s just something we’d do. Also, he said he had two pints before the match so given the match would have started at 3:30pm, and he had something to eat he says, and getting out of Dublin on all Ireland final day is a pain, and half of mayo were going west, two pints of what exactly ?

Maybe he was the fella Enda was talking about with the two pints, one in each hand.
Maybe one hand didn't know what the other was doing (quite possible for a politician) so he had four pints.

Bannasidhe · 05-07-2020 09:22PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I find it amazing that Mary Lou McDonald couldn’t see the obvious backlash over the attendance at the funeral. I mean on a fundamental level she seems a shrewd political mind but clearly made a misstep. The thing is the death of a friend during the lockdown and not being able to attend the funeral is one many people have experienced so poor optics and perception issues there.

The Barry Cowen story is baffling. I mean does Michael Martin not talk with his TDs, because surely he’d have wondered why a TD is his wasn’t driving for three months. Or maybe it’s just something we’d do. Also, he said he had two pints before the match so given the match would have started at 3:30pm, and he had something to eat he says, and getting out of Dublin on all Ireland final day is a pain, and half of mayo were going west, two pints of what exactly ?

It was stupid.
If I was being charitable I would say grief clouded her judgement.

If I was being cynical I would say it's another instance of SF really just being where FF were before Haughey - more to the left but still believing in exceptionalism for the political classes.

A lovely, kind, funny, friend of over 30 years died (not Covid) just at the end of Phase 2. He really was another Grandfather to my son. I would have loved to drive with him on his last journey from Marymount Hospice to West Cork and be there to say goodbye with his family - who all came to my Father's funeral last Oct. But I couldn't because I followed the restrictions. A week later I could have.
I am tending towards the cynical.

I can't get my head around the Cowen timeline at all.
But what I really can't get my head around is how some people are making excuses.
He drove while over the limit. That is a crime. There are no excuses.

Same for Kelliher. O'Neill shouldn't have travelled to Dublin but at least she technically did not break any restrictions (still shouldn't have travelled mind imo), Kelliher knowingly didn't self-isolate.

Itssoeasy · 05-07-2020 10:44PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It was stupid.
If I was being charitable I would say grief clouded her judgement.

If I was being cynical I would say it's another instance of SF really just being where FF were before Haughey - more to the left but still believing in exceptionalism for the political classes.

A lovely, kind, funny, friend of over 30 years died (not Covid) just at the end of Phase 2. He really was another Grandfather to my son. I would have loved to drive with him on his last journey from Marymount Hospice to West Cork and be there to say goodbye with his family - who all came to my Father's funeral last Oct. But I couldn't because I followed the restrictions. A week later I could have.
I am tending towards the cynical.

I can't get my head around the Cowen timeline at all.
But what I really can't get my head around is how some people are making excuses.
He drove while over the limit. That is a crime. There are no excuses.

Same for Kelliher. O'Neill shouldn't have travelled to Dublin but at least she technically did not break any restrictions (still shouldn't have travelled mind imo), Kelliher knowingly didn't self-isolate.

And it's not whatever phase it was in though. It's the fact you and many others couldn't give a friend or loved one "the send off they deserved" is what makes me confused as to why they couldn't see how this would looks optics wise. Especially since Mary lou got covid-19 you'd think it would be front of mind.

Do we know what time Barry cowen was collared at the checkpoint ? It's just the two pints doesn't add up.

Michelle O'Neill has been hurt by the fact she was front and centre in regards to the norths restrictions and it's the spirit of the rules is the issue.

I no idea what billy Kelliher was thinking(thinking may be generous) with his carry on.

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