Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 07:55PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Peace is the absence of war and armed conflict.

Of course northern Catholics were treated like sh1t. That is one of reasons the IRA opposed partition. Until it surrendered obviously with partition still in place.

I supported the ceasefire by the way. It is the political surrender and abandonment of any serious republican project for unity that I find objectionable. That is why the 30 years of armed conflict were a needless waste.

No more than those luxuriating in the higher moral ground of the south, did you ever pause to wonder what the independence of Ireland 'cost'?

I would seriously wonder about your dissident like careful choice of words there...'I supported the ceasefire'.

Did you support the GFA?

James Brown · 03-07-2020 08:27PM

blanch152 wrote: »

For all of us watching the North from the outside, the conclusion that they are better left to each other gets stronger and stronger.

Some of us would never leave our fellow countrymen and women in the lurch. Sad that a sensational news story would have some turn their back.
Irish people like Arlene will always have my welcome despite her confused outlook

James Brown · 03-07-2020 08:28PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I heard a gem on the RTE news at one (after bashing SF all morning) The RTE US correspondent said the big rise in covid cases had nothing to do with the BLM protests as 'there is little chance of catching covid outdoors'
The Storey funeral was outdoors if I am correct.

Foster's big issue now it seems is MON attended the funeral at all.

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 08:31PM

Bowie wrote: »

Foster's big issue now it seems is MON attended the funeral at all.

Manna from heaven for the Unionists, they'll try and keep this going until the 12th, ably assisted by our outraged partitionists in the south no doubt.

She'll be wanting O'Neill to disown Storey altogether next.

James Brown · 03-07-2020 08:33PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

There was peace before 1969. That was not what it was about for the IRA.

What was it about?
The fact that many entered politics should be welcomed IMO. The fact that some politicians and parties will pat themselves on the back for ushering in peace and talk out the side of their mouths about the 'RA if asked awkward questions is disappointing.

Bonniedog · 03-07-2020 08:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No more than those luxuriating in the higher moral ground of the south, did you ever pause to wonder what the independence of Ireland 'cost'?

I would seriously wonder about your dissident like careful choice of words there...'I supported the ceasefire'.

Did you support the GFA?

I had family members who luxuriated in Ballykinlar, Mountjoy, the Curragh and Portlaoise when people in west Belfast were being told who to vote for by priests.

I didn't support the GFA because it accepts partition and Stormont. Two things that Adams and co said they would never accept in 1994 and indeed right up until the final negotiations in April 1998.

James Brown · 03-07-2020 08:37PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Peace is the absence of war and armed conflict.

Of course northern Catholics were treated like sh1t. That is one of reasons the IRA opposed partition. Until it surrendered obviously with partition still in place.

I supported the ceasefire by the way. It is the political surrender and abandonment of any serious republican project for unity that I find objectionable. That is why the 30 years of armed conflict were a needless waste.

The people felt their was a need for the IRA. To suggest they were created in a vacuum by some self interested parties with no public support just isn't the case. You can disagree with their methods, but people wanted them and felt they needed them.

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 08:44PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

I had family members who luxuriated in Ballykinlar, Mountjoy, the Curragh and Portlaoise when people in west Belfast were being told who to vote for by priests.

I didn't support the GFA because it accepts partition and Stormont. Two things that Adams and co said they would never accept in 1994 and indeed right up until the final negotiations in April 1998.

Fair enough. I could not take a dissident position to an agreement that legitimised getting rid of partition and delivered so much for Irish people.

I think it took fundamentally brave men and women to accept that armed conflict had reached stalemate and nobody was going to win.
I think Adams and McGuinness's achievement in holding the peace was incredible. Took me a long time to believe their bona fides. A peaceful transition to a UI will be a testament to both.

Truthvader · 03-07-2020 09:55PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

I had family members who luxuriated in Ballykinlar, Mountjoy, the Curragh and Portlaoise when people in west Belfast were being told who to vote for by priests.

I didn't support the GFA because it accepts partition and Stormont. Two things that Adams and co said they would never accept in 1994 and indeed right up until the final negotiations in April 1998.

And what did your family members do to earn their place in Ballykinlar Mountjoy the Curragh and Portlaoise?

Bonniedog · 03-07-2020 10:26PM

They were fighting for a Catholic Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland :-)

Darc19 · 03-07-2020 10:38PM

As much as I despise and disagree with everything SF are about, I do find it laughable that Arlene Foster has asked O'Neill to step aside during the "investigation"

Has foster a short memory?

She refused to step aside during the cash for ash scandal that enriched many of her supporters

standardg60 · 03-07-2020 10:50PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

I had family members who luxuriated in Ballykinlar, Mountjoy, the Curragh and Portlaoise when people in west Belfast were being told who to vote for by priests.

I didn't support the GFA because it accepts partition and Stormont. Two things that Adams and co said they would never accept in 1994 and indeed right up until the final negotiations in April 1998.

How on Earth could you not support it?
Sure they accepted it because it gave the one thing NI catholics always wanted, power sharing.
Imo Unionists gave up far more, they could have stopped at power sharing but recognising the right of the majority to accept UI was truly democratic.
Stop looking at it from one side, it's not current Unionists fault they ended up where they are today, it's an historical sh*tshow.

03-07-2020 10:57PM

Darc19 wrote: »

As much as I despise and disagree with everything SF are about, I do find it laughable that Arlene Foster has asked O'Neill to step aside during the "investigation"

Has foster a short memory?

She refused to step aside during the cash for ash scandal that enriched many of her supporters

Talk about a brass neck. :pac::pac:
Shes shocking.

Bonniedog · 03-07-2020 11:23PM

standardg60 wrote: »

it gave the one thing NI catholics always wanted, power sharing.
.

Power sharing in running part of the UK has nothing to do with republicanism.

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 11:29PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Power sharing in running part of the UK has nothing to do with republicanism.

Not your brand anyhow.
What's the next move? More dissident activity?

christy c · 03-07-2020 11:42PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Talk about a brass neck. :pac::pac:
Shes shocking.

Much as I despise SF, you'd have to pity them dealing with people like that

RandomViewer · 03-07-2020 11:54PM

Whatever your view you've got think this has been a bad week for new leader Micheal Martin ,first you had the West coast ignored, then the junior minister refusals, SF taking the headlines with Storry's funeral ( it's publicity, good or bad, doesn't matter, ask Terri) , then you have the Green minister being friends with someone who wants to shag 14 year olds, No honeymoon period.

blanch152 · 04-07-2020 01:02AM

Bowie wrote: »

The people felt their was a need for the IRA. To suggest they were created in a vacuum by some self interested parties with no public support just isn't the case. You can disagree with their methods, but people wanted them and felt they needed them.

The bit in bold is the biggest lie put forward by the SF/IRA apologists.

The people never wanted the IRA. They only voted for Sinn Fein once the IRA stopped killing people for no reason. Yes, the nationalist people, they wanted a united Ireland, but they never wanted idiotic kids and criminal sociopaths to go around killing and bombing to get one. However, they are still a minority in the North.

What the people want, and the election results show this time and again, is peace and to remain part of the UK. It is delusional to imagine anything else.

blanch152 · 04-07-2020 01:08AM

Bowie wrote: »

Some of us would never leave our fellow countrymen and women in the lurch. Sad that a sensational news story would have some turn their back.
Irish people like Arlene will always have my welcome despite her confused outlook

Arlene isn't Irish, that is the fundamental flaw in your thinking. She is British, and is entitled to be British. By surrendering and accepting the GFA, the IRA accepted that that is her right.

The linkage of race and nationality to territory is the cause of so many wars in this world of ours. Yes, we should respect distinction, yes if people want to come together as one race or one nation, let them, but it is not based on territory, it is based on shared experiences. We don't need a united Ireland to have a united Irish people - that is the essence of the reformed Article 2, and that is the message we have to embrace.

Those who cling to the old tenets of nationalism are the dinosaurs of our time.

dundalkfc10 · 04-07-2020 03:46AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Arlene isn't Irish, that is the fundamental flaw in your thinking. She is British, and is entitled to be British. By surrendering and accepting the GFA, the IRA accepted that that is her right.

The linkage of race and nationality to territory is the cause of so many wars in this world of ours. Yes, we should respect distinction, yes if people want to come together as one race or one nation, let them, but it is not based on territory, it is based on shared experiences. We don't need a united Ireland to have a united Irish people - that is the essence of the reformed Article 2, and that is the message we have to embrace.

Those who cling to the old tenets of nationalism are the dinosaurs of our time.

Any of that smoke left?

Bit cynical · 04-07-2020 06:20AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Arlene isn't Irish, that is the fundamental flaw in your thinking. She is British, and is entitled to be British. By surrendering and accepting the GFA, the IRA accepted that that is her right.

Some Unionists regard themselves as both Irish and British in the same way that you can be both Scottish and British.

Bishop of hope · 04-07-2020 08:09AM

The assistant PSNI chief constable calling Marylou a liar now.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psni-deny-mary-lou-mcdonald-claim-that-force-involved-in-planning-of-bobby-storey-funeral-39337494.html

Finty Lemon · 04-07-2020 09:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not your brand anyhow.
What's the next move? More dissident activity?

It worked in the past, by your logic. No stomach for it anymore??

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 10:06AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

They were fighting for a Catholic Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland :-)

That is not an answer. What did they actually do? "fighting for a catholic et etc" is not something that you go to prison for. Again what did yhey actually do?

Bonniedog · 04-07-2020 10:16AM

Truthvader wrote: »

That is not an answer. What did they actually do? "fighting for a catholic et etc" is not something that you go to prison for. Again what did yhey actually do?

I was being facetious, as this is what the new Shinners would have people believe was the objective.

They were IRA Volunteers.

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 10:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fair enough. I could not take a dissident position to an agreement that legitimised getting rid of partition and delivered so much for Irish people.

I think it took fundamentally brave men and women to accept that armed conflict had reached stalemate and nobody was going to win.
I think Adams and McGuinness's achievement in holding the peace was incredible. Took me a long time to believe their bona fides. A peaceful transition to a UI will be a testament to both.

Drivel. It took fudementally depraved men to see an opportunity in a failed state to orchestrate a cruel campaign of savagery mainly inflicted on their own people to maitain control in the pursuit of power, to persuade 13 of their own young men to starve themselves to death get publicity for themselves and to keep at it until they took control of their tribal areas and extorted a flow of money from the British.

Finty Lemon · 04-07-2020 10:21AM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Some Unionists regard themselves as both Irish and British in the same way that you can be both Scottish and British.

Of course some Unionists regard themselves as Irish.
The United Kingdom is between GB and Northern Ireland after all. We all agreed on that years ago, including Bobby Storey

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 10:26AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

I was being facetious, as this is what the new Shinners would have people believe was the objective.

They were IRA Volunteers.

Again what did they actually do? Perhaps they tried to defend Catholic areas from Loyalist ethnic cleansing in 1969 which would be a brave and necessary thing to do or perhaps they murdered unarmed fathers in front of their children, planted bombs in pubs and discos filled with young people etc etc which would be a depraved pointless and cowardly thing to do

So again what did these people actually do?

RandomViewer · 04-07-2020 10:48AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Arlene isn't Irish, that is the fundamental flaw in your thinking. She is British, and is entitled to be British. By surrendering and accepting the GFA, the IRA accepted that that is her right.

The linkage of race and nationality to territory is the cause of so many wars in this world of ours. Yes, we should respect distinction, yes if people want to come together as one race or one nation, let them, but it is not based on territory, it is based on shared experiences. We don't need a united Ireland to have a united Irish people - that is the essence of the reformed Article 2, and that is the message we have to embrace.

Those who cling to the old tenets of nationalism are the dinosaurs of our time.

One little flaw in your thinking, the title is The United kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland] ,so she's not British, maybe you should ask her to do one of those DNA ancestry tests just to prove that the former Ms Kelly is not British

padd b1975 · 04-07-2020 11:28AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Manna from heaven for the Unionists, they'll try and keep this going until the 12th, ably assisted by our outraged partitionists in the south no doubt.

She'll be wanting O'Neill to disown Storey altogether next.

A Shinner distancing themselves from terrorist scum.. Not in this lifetime.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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