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03-07-2020 03:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody has yet explained why the comparisons to other funerals are invalid..we have had quite a few and latitude (in layman's terms a blind eye was turned) was given when very obviously, regs were being broken because they were funerals.

The virus does not distinguish between state funerals, the funeral of an SDLP man, a child, an Orange parade or any other large gathering.

SF did not get this right, no doubt about that and I am glad they have apologised for the hurt caused, but the joyful way it is being politically played by the usual suspects is pathetic and looking for a woman to apologise for attending a friends funeral is frankly obscene. Especially from those who could not even bring themselves to say Leo Varadkar was sending the wrong message by publicly drinking cans in the park.

Stop with the hypocrisy.

Maybe because it was in another jurisdiction. When there’s a ban on unnecessary travel.

Brendan Bendar · 03-07-2020 03:49PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Not the point.

If there was disorder then rightfully the organisers should be firmly taken to task and SF - if they failed to act with the PSNI to ensure social distancing rules were adhered to - should be rightfully pilloried.
But the fact remains the PSNI didn't act and that is down to a policy decision with the force - has anyone asked them why they didn't?

In RoI the Gardaí took part. The top brass were there. They could have acted to ensure social distancing in a way that was respectful to a fallen member of the force, the serving members of the force putting themselves at risk of infection, and those whose loved ones had no proper final sending off - no matter how deeply loved they were.
That did not happen.
The crowds are there to see for all on-line. There was no social distancing.

Are you seriously comparing the murder of a serving Garda to a normal funeral.?

Answer the question, what do you think would be the outcome if the PSNI has intervened in Mr Storeys funeral, as you suggested was an option?

You have a lot of questions to answer, a chara.

So far none forthcoming

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe because it was in another jurisdiction. When there’s a ban on unnecessary travel.

What ban? That restriction has been lifted...both Doherty and MLMD have said if the funeral had been last week they wouldn't have and couldn't have gone.

McMurphy · 03-07-2020 04:10PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing the murder of a serving Garda to a normal funeral.?

Time to put up of shut up here bren.

This arseboxing about "comparing funerals" is just that, arseboxing.

What's being compared is the lack of social distancing from the mourners at the funerals.

One group = state funeral, the virus can't be contracted nor spread by mourner's because it's a state funeral?

The other group of mourners not socially distancing = destroy them with fire, worse than Hitler!

Answer the question, what do you think would be the outcome if the PSNI has intervened in Mr Storeys funeral, as you suggested was an option?

You have a lot of questions to answer, a chara.

So far none forthcoming

Can't wait to hear what excuse the Gardai in Mayo will use for them failing to intervene.

James Brown · 03-07-2020 04:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The point people seem to be missing is that these politicians want us to look up to them. Then they do something so insensitive that they think simply saying sorry is enough.

Regarding the Gardai paying their respects to their comrade, communities around the country have been doing similar guards of honour when they couldn’t attend a funeral. They didn’t cross a border into another state to do so.

It's actually the original point Maryanne.

Making excuses now.
Both should have socially distanced and did not. Both wrong not to do so. At least MON apologised, ner a peep from Charlie.

Brendan Bendar · 03-07-2020 04:22PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Time to put up of shut up here bren.

This arseboxing about "comparing funerals" is just that, arseboxing.

What's being compared is the lack of social distancing from the mourners at the funerals.

One group = state funeral, the virus can't be contracted nor spread by mourner's because it's a state funeral?

The other group of mourners not socially distancing = destroy them with fire, worse than Hitler!

Can't wait to hear what excuse the Gardai in Mayo will use for them failing to intervene.

What’s being compared, my friend, is the restraint shown by Ireland’s leaders in staying away versus NIs leaders breaking their own rules.

Try to keep up,a chara.

James Brown · 03-07-2020 04:23PM

christy c wrote: »

They have Sinn Fein and their political stupidity followed by their arrogance to thank for that.

Not really Christy.
You are now blaming SF for the media and others making hypocritical points and outrage off it? :rolleyes:
It shows me the media are still desperately skewed by dodging real national issues of greater concern. Making SF look like the victims now the longer it drags on.

blanch152 · 03-07-2020 04:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What ban? That restriction has been lifted...both Doherty and MLMD have said if the funeral had been last week they wouldn't have and couldn't have gone.

You are behind the news, Francie, the order lifting the restriction didn't take effect until the evening after the funeral.

blanch152 · 03-07-2020 04:28PM

Bowie wrote: »

Not really Christy.
You are now blaming SF for the media and others making hypocritical points and outrage off it? :rolleyes:
It shows me the media are still desperately skewed by dodging real national issues of greater concern. Making SF look like the victims now the longer it drags on.

The thing is, anonymous internet posters like you and me don't get to choose the real national issues of greater concern. The media, on the back of the general public, tend to do that.

There is anger out there at the arrogance of Sinn Fein through this. One rule for their funerals, other rules for others. Bobby Storey was nobody special, just an ordinary criminal thug.

You guys are making it worse by bringing up the Garda funeral. What you don't get is that ordinary people are prepared to give a pass to a State funeral for a garda killed in the line of duty but aren't prepared to give a pass to a Shinner funeral for a criminal thug who killed ordinary people for nothing.

You call that hypocrisy, I call it appropriate.

James Brown · 03-07-2020 04:35PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It would be the height of arrogance and hypocrisy for Sinn Fein, their leaders or any of their followers, supporters and voters to complain about anyone else not social distancing following the behaviour at that funeral.

The rush to find "he did it too" this time with unfair comparisons to the garda funeral mirrors the "he hit me first" explanation for the terrorist campaign. It is childish and false at best.

Nope. Again, that's all you.
You keep twisting it, I'll keep calling you on it.
You are inferring opinion on others then criticising it. Classic stuff.

The hypocrisy of the likes of yourself pretending to be outraged at the shinner funeral to score points while ignoring and in some cases excusing the same behaviour elsewhere is being pointing out time and again.

Can I expect your response to how the councillor O'Leary tweet admiring the fascist Blueshirts and likening them to present day FG was 'misrepresentation'?

blanch152 · 03-07-2020 04:41PM

Bowie wrote: »

Nope. Again, that's all you.
You keep twisting it, I'll keep calling you on it.
You are inferring opinion on others then criticising it. Classic stuff.

The hypocrisy of the likes of yourself pretending to be outraged at the shinner funeral to score points while ignoring and in some cases excusing the same behaviour elsewhere is being pointing out time and again.

I fully understand why the vast majority of ordinary people are prepared to give a pass to the State funeral of a garda killed in the line of duty, but not prepared to give a pass to the funeral of a Sinn Fein criminal thug who made a virtue out of killing people.

It is very easy to distinguish between the two, and it is not a bit hypocritical. It is only hypocritical if you consider the two to be equal in status. I certainly don't and I think the vast majority of ordinary people would agree with me.

Brendan Bendar · 03-07-2020 04:42PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are behind the news, Francie, the order lifting the restriction didn't take effect until the evening after the funeral.

Nothing new about that....

christy c · 03-07-2020 04:43PM

Bowie wrote: »

Not really Christy.
You are now blaming SF for the media and others making hypocritical points and outrage off it? :rolleyes:
It shows me the media are still desperately skewed by dodging real national issues of greater concern. Making SF look like the victims now the longer it drags on.

I am not blaming SF for the media. I am blaming SF for making a stupid political move, and then doubling down with their arrogance. The other 4 parties have asked MON to step aside, while I dont think it is warranted, it is news and will be reported.

Hand waving this away (to borrow the SF fans phrase), saying what about someone else, or laughably trying to portray SF as the victims is not working.

If heads had been kept down, this would have blown over.

James Brown · 03-07-2020 04:52PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The thing is, anonymous internet posters like you and me don't get to choose the real national issues of greater concern. The media, on the back of the general public, tend to do that.

There is anger out there at the arrogance of Sinn Fein through this. One rule for their funerals, other rules for others. Bobby Storey was nobody special, just an ordinary criminal thug.

You guys are making it worse by bringing up the Garda funeral. What you don't get is that ordinary people are prepared to give a pass to a State funeral for a garda killed in the line of duty but aren't prepared to give a pass to a Shinner funeral for a criminal thug who killed ordinary people for nothing.

You call that hypocrisy, I call it appropriate.

The Garda funeral is only raised to show your hypocrisy. Nobody was complaining about the garda funeral. if you were at all credible you'd apply the same standards to everyone equally.

We are allowed opinions Blanch. If you think the media are right to put this above all else, (including an actual story on Covid death numbers) that's cool.

blanch152 wrote: »

... Reacting now to the latest sensationalist media fascination is not for me, I am usually far ahead of and above that.

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem when you rely on sensational news articles is that they don't tell the real story.
....

oops...

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 04:54PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are behind the news, Francie, the order lifting the restriction didn't take effect until the evening after the funeral.

What?

Travel restrictions were lifted 5 days ago. The day after the funeral was 2 days ago.

Bannasidhe · 03-07-2020 05:18PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing the murder of a serving Garda to a normal funeral.?

Answer the question, what do you think would be the outcome if the PSNI has intervened in Mr Storeys funeral, as you suggested was an option?

You have a lot of questions to answer, a chara.

So far none forthcoming

I am saying if the rules apply to all of us then the rules apply to all of us regardless of circumstances.

Does a virus care why crowds have gathered?

We have over 1,500 people dead in this jurisdiction from a contagious virus, not to mention the toll it has taken on the living - of the 8,018 Health Care Workers who became infected 89% were infecting doing their job. 7 healthcare workers have died. In the performance of their duties. Not one of them got a State funeral. They were quietly sent to their last resting place amid the restrictions we are all meant to follow.

It was perfectly possible that under the circumstances An Garda could have led by example and ensured that social distancing was maintained as a mark of respect to their fallen comrade, and the HCW's who also gave their lives.

If you think making excuses for why it is ok to have a large funeral in the middle of a health crises that has caused the deaths of frontline staff while we are being warned a second surge is very possible then it's not me who has to answer question, a chara.

Brendan Bendar · 03-07-2020 05:34PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I am saying if the rules apply to all of us then the rules apply to all of us regardless of circumstances.

Does a virus care why crowds have gathered?

We have over 1,500 people dead in this jurisdiction from a contagious virus, not to mention the toll it has taken on the living - of the 8,018 Health Care Workers who became infected 89% were infecting doing their job. 7 healthcare workers have died. In the performance of their duties. Not one of them got a State funeral. They were quietly sent to their last resting place amid the restrictions we are all meant to follow.

It was perfectly possible that under the circumstances An Garda could have led by example and ensured that social distancing was maintained as a mark of respect to their fallen comrade, and the HCW's who also gave their lives.

If you think making excuses for why it is ok to have a large funeral in the middle of a health crises that has caused the deaths of frontline staff while we are being warned a second surge is very possible then it's not me who has to answer question, a chara.

More deflection and rubbish.

The leaders of SF thought it appropriate to attend a funeral when others didn’t attend a State funeral.

One of them made a watery apology after disrupting the relationships up there.

Shows the respect McDonald and O’Neill have for the frontline staff in Health.

Then to compound the insult they appoint the ‘break the State’ guy as Health
‘Spokesman’
And then they wonder why honest and decent people won’t talk to them.

C’mon man, you need to think on your feet and not be used by chancers

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 05:37PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

More deflection and rubbish.

The leaders of SF thought it appropriate to attend a funeral when others didn’t attend a State funeral.

One of them made a watery apology after disrupting the relationships up there.

Shows the respect McDonald and O’Neill have for the frontline staff in Health.

The to compound the insult they appoint the ‘break the State’ guy as Health
‘Spokesman’
And then they wonder why honest and decent people won’t talk to them.

C’mon man, you need to think on your feet and not be used by chancers

Two different restriction times. SF said they woukd not have attended last week because guess what? There were restrictions

Brendan Bendar · 03-07-2020 05:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Two different restriction times. SF said they woukd not have attended last week because guess what? There were restrictions

Heh heh he keep digging Francie, you are good at that.

Defending the indefensible...... now lookit... I haven’t got three months to dance on the head of a pin, a chara.

Your woman got it wrong, dude, real wrong.

Take care..

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 05:57PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Heh heh he keep digging Francie, you are good at that.

Defending the indefensible...... now lookit... I haven’t got three months to dance on the head of a pin, a chara.

Your woman got it wrong, dude, real wrong.

Take care..

I think the guy misrepresenting is the one doing the championship digging.

Bannasidhe · 03-07-2020 06:02PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

More deflection and rubbish.

The leaders of SF thought it appropriate to attend a funeral when others didn’t attend a State funeral.

One of them made a watery apology after disrupting the relationships up there.

Shows the respect McDonald and O’Neill have for the frontline staff in Health.

Then to compound the insult they appoint the ‘break the State’ guy as Health
‘Spokesman’
And then they wonder why honest and decent people won’t talk to them.

C’mon man, you need to think on your feet and not be used by chancers

Look at the photographs of Garda Horkan's funeral.
Tell me that in the middle of a pandemic when we are urged to keep 2 metres apart that that is what happened.

It didn't.

There is no deflection, or being led by chancers.

It is looking at what is in front of me and not letting ideology get in the way.

There was no social distancing at Garda Horkan's funeral.

03-07-2020 06:08PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Look at the photographs of Garda Horkan's funeral.
Tell me that in the middle of a pandemic when we are urged to keep 2 metres apart that that is what happened.

It didn't.

There is no deflection, or being led by chancers.

It is looking at what is in front of me and not letting ideology get in the way.

There was no social distancing at Garda Horkan's funeral.

But, where was Garda Horkans funeral? In the Republic. Not across a border in another jurisdiction. One would have thought that MaryLou especially would be aware of the dangers of Covid infection.

Bishop of hope · 03-07-2020 06:08PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Look at the photographs of Garda Horkan's funeral.
Tell me that in the middle of a pandemic when we are urged to keep 2 metres apart that that is what happened.

It didn't.

There is no deflection, or being led by chancers.

It is looking at what is in front of me and not letting ideology get in the way.

There was no social distancing at Garda Horkan's funeral.

I didn't see MLMD, MON or PD there either.

Edgware · 03-07-2020 06:22PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I didn't see MLMD, MON or PD there either.

They are hypocrites but turning up at a murdered Garda funeral would really top it off.
We are still waiting to see the Crown forces patrolling in County Laois that they could use
as an excuse for murdering young Garda Clerkin

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 06:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But, where was Garda Horkans funeral? In the Republic. Not across a border in another jurisdiction. One would have thought that MaryLou especially would be aware of the dangers of Covid infection.

So now the virus recognises if you cross a border that isn't even a hard one? This gets better.

We are all mindful of the virus and we are all (all though some are in pretence mode)also mindful that the restrictions are stepping down. This isn't March or May.

Bannasidhe · 03-07-2020 07:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But, where was Garda Horkans funeral? In the Republic. Not across a border in another jurisdiction. One would have thought that MaryLou especially would be aware of the dangers of Covid infection.

Was there social distancing at Garda Horkan's funeral?
No.

Were a govt Minister there?
Yes.

Was travel still restricted to within county of residence or 20km from residence?
Yes.

Does Charlie Flanagan live in Mayo or within 20km of Charlestown?
No.

Were there more than 25 mourners as allowed under phase 3?
Yes

I have already said I don't think SF members should have travelled. I have not once defended them. I think they were wrong to travel.

I have said there were 2 large funerals both without social distancing.
If a person has issues about lack of social distancing then they should have issues with both funerals not just one.

The virus doesn't care if it's Mayo or Belfast. It doesn't care how respected the deceased was. The virus just wants new hosts. It gets them when humans are in close contact. As they were at both funerals.

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 07:15PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Was there social distancing at Garda Horkan's funeral?
No.

Were a govt Minister there?
Yes.

Was travel still restricted to within county of residence or 20km from residence?
Yes.

Does Charlie Flanagan live in Mayo or within 20km of Charlestown?
No.

Were there more than 25 mourners as allowed under phase 3?
Yes

I have already said I don't think SF members should have travelled. I have not once defended them. I think they were wrong to travel.

I have said there were 2 large funerals both without social distancing.
If a person has issues about lack of social distancing then they should have issues with both funerals not just one.

The virus doesn't care if it's Mayo or Belfast. It doesn't care how respected the deceased was. The virus just wants new hosts. It gets them when humans are in close contact. As they were at both funerals.

You also forgot to mention that 6 Gardai carried the coffin shoulder high into and out of the church. Which unless they were family was a breach.

I have enough compassion not to have made an issue of that as did everybody else in the country that I am aware of.

dundalkfc10 · 03-07-2020 07:16PM

Is this not a thread about the new Govt.

Since elections it has been non stop abuse at Sinn Féin because they have scared the ****e outta FFG

03-07-2020 07:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So now the virus recognises if you cross a border that isn't even a hard one? This gets better.

We are all mindful of the virus and we are all (all though some are in pretence mode)also mindful that the restrictions are stepping down. This isn't March or May.

As I’m sure that you know, the virus knows nor respects any border. Elected representatives should know and respect both. Crossing a border to go to a private funeral of a convicted terrorist isn’t the same as crossing county boundaries to pay respects to a much respect public servants, killed in the line of duty.

FrancieBrady · 03-07-2020 07:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As I’m sure that you know, the virus knows nor respects any border. Elected representatives should know and respect both. Crossing a border to go to a private funeral of a convicted terrorist isn’t the same as crossing county boundaries to pay respects to a much respect public servants, killed in the line of duty.

Who was doing this?

'Crossing a border to go to a private funeral of a convicted terrorist'?

I'm sure I heard MLMD say she crossed the border to go to the funeral of a family friend and man her children loved as well as a seminal and important member of the party she leads.

Your politicisation of that is getting mighty nauseating.

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