Is it just me or have SF vanished?

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 04:16PM

Bowie wrote: »

Bringing up the IRA is as relevant to each person as they feel it is. Have at it. Suggesting anyone supporting SF, giving them a vote or simply criticising FG is a 'RA man is nonsense.

Was FG councilor O'Leary brought up the Blueshirts the other week.
If you info on MLMD planting pipe bombs present it.

when have I ever said anything about IRA and SF. I think you have me confused with someone else bud.

blanch152 · 02-07-2020 04:17PM

Bowie wrote: »

You suggest all SF voters, (assuming there are) are IRA inclined from birth.
We know FG Councilor O'Leary admires the Blueshirts and likens their resolve to present day Fine Gael, but if that's you suggestion on SF, the same could be said about FG supporters? Both as silly mind.

joeguevara wrote: »

What the actual fcuck?

To be honest, despite the supposed clarification, I am with Joe. What point are you trying to make?

Getting back to the main story of the day, I see now that "now, apart from Sinn Féin, all four other parties on the Northern Executive - the DUP, SDLP, Ulster Unionist Party and Alliance – want Ms O’Neill to step aside."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/michelle-o-neill-will-not-step-aside-under-any-circumstances-despite-calls-from-other-parties-after-storey-funeral-1.4294428

We are now in the territory where Sinn Fein collapsed the Assembly because Arlene Foster wouldn't step aside. It is once again rank hypocrisy and duplicitous behaviour from Sinn Fein.

I think the point that she is travelling all over the country, Belfast one minute, Dublin the next, some other place for a funeral, that is reckless behaviour on reckless behaviour. At least the DUP are not going as far as Sinn Fein did in collapsing the Assembly.

"Mr Donaldson questioned would this be the right action in “the middle of a pandemic”.

“Are we seriously saying that the right thing to do is bring the Executive crashing down because of the wrongdoing of Sinn Féin? Sinn Féin need to step up now and take responsibility for what they have done,” he said.

“We should not be punishing the people of Northern Ireland for this. Sinn Féin are the people who need to take that responsibility,” he added. "

I would guess that there will be some pointed comments when the Dail resumes. Mary-Lou might be best staying away for her own good.

dundalkfc10 · 02-07-2020 04:18PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I never said anything of the sort. Hate both SF and FG and FF equally. I was saying that supporters should judge people on their actual actions in politics and not on whether they fall into a meme that a 15 year old posts on their facebook.

Constantly brining up blueshirts is stupid though as they are not in modern times. IRA is still going and there are strong connections to SF. But again irrelevant. Why deflect on the past what SF are ineffectual at doing today.

The IRA disbanded near 2 decades ago man.

The Provos now, if you dont know hate Sinn Fein which is well known.

https://www.thesun.ie/uncategorized/5110377/new-ira-threats-sinn-fein-stupid-dangerous/

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 04:20PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The IRA disbanded near 2 decades ago man.

The Provos now, if you dont know hate Sinn Fein which is well known.

https://www.thesun.ie/uncategorized/5110377/new-ira-threats-sinn-fein-stupid-dangerous/

FFS I have never mentioned SF and IRA or Provo or Sticky or I never lived in Andystown in the same breath. Why are you suggesting I did.

dundalkfc10 · 02-07-2020 04:22PM

joeguevara wrote: »

FFS I have never mentioned SF and IRA or Provo or Sticky or I never lived in Andystown in the same breath. Why are you suggesting I did.

"IRA is still going and there are strong connections to SF"

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 04:24PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

"IRA is still going and there are strong connections to SF"

There are still connections between IRA and SF. That does not mean that SF supporters are IRA supporters as was alluded to previously.

If you want to suggest the IRA and their army council do not exist, fair play.

McMurphy · 02-07-2020 04:25PM

joeguevara wrote: »

when have I ever said anything about IRA and SF. I think you have me confused with someone else bud.

Here?:pac:

joeguevara wrote: »

I never said anything of the sort. Hate both SF and FG and FF equally. I was saying that supporters should judge people on their actual actions in politics and not on whether they fall into a meme that a 15 year old posts on their facebook.

Constantly brining up blueshirts is stupid though as they are not in modern times. IRA is still going and there are strong connections to SF. But again irrelevant. Why deflect on the past what SF are ineffectual at doing today.

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 04:26PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Here?:pac:

Connections and being one of the same are two different things. I can be a spurs supporter and like chicken. Doesn't mean all spurs supporters like chicken. FFS lads.

McMurphy · 02-07-2020 04:29PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Connections and being one of the same are two different things. I can be a spurs supporter and like chicken. Doesn't mean all spurs supporters like chicken. FFS lads.

Relax Joe, I thought the PAC emoji was a dead giveaway I was taking the Michael.:D

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 04:29PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Relax Joe, I thought the PAC emoji was a dead giveaway I was taking the Michael.:D

I know you were. Others not so much lol

flutered · 02-07-2020 04:38PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Minister for Energy has no experience in laundering diesel and Minister for Defence has never provided training to guerilla groups in South America. What experience do these lot actually have.

as much as minister foley, more experienc3ed in the dail for one

Truthvader · 02-07-2020 04:55PM

Bowie wrote: »

I support SF's housing policy.
If you can point to their pro car bomb policy be sure to let me know

Ehh......... How about this from today's Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/to-leave-sinn-f%C3%A9in-is-to-leave-the-ira-adams-told-ardfheis-1.2907103

blackwhite · 02-07-2020 05:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I think the point of my post might have gone over your head.

I was using no Bank account Bertie, and the connections he had with Michaél "money in wife's account"at the time and how FG don't seem to have have an issue with either.

But God forbid you try and say you're qualified in something you dropped out of.....

Hang draw and quarter that bowsie!

I think it's your head the point keeps shooting over.

McMurphy wrote: »

As i said already, some folk here have a problem with a lack of education level,

Nobody has expressed any problems with his education levels - they've a problem with him lying about it.

We all know if it was someone from FG caught in a lie like that it'd be shoe-horned awkwardly into every second one of your posts. But it's SF - so continue the deflection ::p

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 05:26PM

https://youtu.be/wb4a_CLHtBs

James Brown · 02-07-2020 05:45PM

joeguevara wrote: »

when have I ever said anything about IRA and SF. I think you have me confused with someone else bud.

Your questioned a comment I made to another poster. I was explaining my comment.

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 05:49PM

Bowie wrote: »

Your questioned a comment I made to another poster. I was explaining my comment.

Ninja edit.

You brought up craziness about fascism. If you are going to explain your comment do so. I’d like to see the reasoning to tell you the truth,

James Brown · 02-07-2020 05:55PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Ehh......... How about this from today's Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/to-leave-sinn-f%C3%A9in-is-to-leave-the-ira-adams-told-ardfheis-1.2907103

SF are very proud of their IRA connection as seen by a funeral of a former member the other day

If you vote SF, do you decide based on a different time, before the peace process, in a different jurisdiction or based on the obvious clear IRA links within the party?
If voting FG do you do so because of the fascist roots, the antisemetism of Oliver J. Flanagan, etc.?
If you vote FF, do you do so because Haughey was a swell guy?
Or in any case vote for the party putting forward the policies appeal to you most? I would suggest that's what many people do.

MM said the other day that civil war politics was over. My understanding is the peace process began with the cessation of IRA activities sealed with the GFA back in the nineties.
Some people, like myself will give any party a vote if they've policies they like.

James Brown · 02-07-2020 05:57PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Ninja edit.

You brought up craziness about fascism. If you are going to explain your comment do so. I’d like to see the reasoning to tell you the truth,

Yes, I do that a lot. On the phone. So what?
I responded to a comment, you jumped in. Yes I did to show my point. Read my comment. It's all there.

Truthvader · 02-07-2020 06:00PM

Bowie wrote: »

SF are very proud of their IRA connection as seen by a funeral of a former member the other day

If you vote SF, do you decide based on a different time, before the peace process, in a different jurisdiction or based on the obvious clear IRA links within the party?
If voting FG do you do so because of the fascist roots, the antisemetism of Oliver J. Flanagan, etc.?
If you vote FF, do you do so because Haughey was a swell guy?
Or in any case vote for the party putting forward the policies appeal to you most? I would suggest that's what many people do.

MM said the other day that civil war politics was over. My understanding is the peace process began with the cessation of IRA activities sealed with the GFA back in the nineties.
Some people, like myself will give any party a vote if they've policies they like.

You just dont get it. Its not OK to murder. And its not OK to celebrate and glorify sociopaths. People who do so are not fit to govern anything

James Brown · 02-07-2020 06:02PM

Truthvader wrote: »

You just dont get it. Its not OK to murder. And its not OK to celebrate and glorify sociopaths. People who do so are not fit to govern anything

Depends on your definition doesn't it?
I get you are hung up on the IRA like it's a big secret. Run tell the villagers!

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 06:08PM

Bowie wrote: »

Yes, I do that a lot. On the phone. So what?
I responded to a comment, you jumped in. Yes I did to show my point. Read my comment. It's all there.

No. It’s not. Show me. If you can’t retract. Fairly easy,

JohnnyFlash · 02-07-2020 07:11PM

Monumentally stupid decision by SF. SF in both the North and South now have absolutely no creditability when it comes to discussing the pandemic; the distinct possibility of a new spike in cases in the coming weeks, or the measures being taken to control it.

Can you imagine the outrage by the Shinnerbots on Twitter and the Journal if the UDA had organised a funeral, cordoned off an area of Belfast to hold it, had most of the big wigs in the DUP march behind the coffin, taking selfies at the grave afterwards, while the streets of the Shankill were covered in tough looking fúckers with buzzcuts and dressed in white shirts, black tie, and leather jackets?

The utter hypocrisy by SF and their online army really is astonishing to witness. Complete clusterfúck of a situation, and everyone knows it.

blanch152 · 02-07-2020 07:14PM

Truthvader wrote: »

You just dont get it. Its not OK to murder. And its not OK to celebrate and glorify sociopaths. People who do so are not fit to govern anything

There are quite a few who don't get it.

The most astonishing are those who equate the current living memories of Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Bobby Storey and the likes with historical figures from the past. They really don't get the difference between 1916, 1921, 1930 and today, and that the standards of today are what matters when you apply them to the people of today.

Once you do that, you realise that Sinn Fein are at least 30 years away from being considered suitable for government if they continue on their current path. They don't realise that a suitable apology for their past support of the IRA and an acknowledgement that the IRA were wrong (particularly post-Sunningdale) is the minimum of what is needed to allow them to be even considered as a suitable party of government for the vast majority of people in the South.

blanch152 · 02-07-2020 07:15PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Monumentally stupid decision by SF. SF in both the North and South now have absolutely no creditability when it comes to discussing the pandemic; the distinct possibility of a new spike in cases in the coming weeks, or the measures being taken to control it.

Can you imagine the outrage by the Shinnerbots on Twitter and the Journal if the UDA had organised a funeral, cordoned off an area of Belfast to hold it, had most of the big wigs in the DUP march behind the coffin, taking selfies at the grave afterwards, while the streets of the Shankill were covered in tough looking fúckers with buzzcuts and dressed in white shirts, black tie, and leather jackets?

The utter hypocrisy by SF and their online army really is astonishing to witness. Complete clusterfúck of a situation, and everyone knows it.

The whiteshirts is a good label for them.

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 07:16PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Monumentally stupid decision by SF. SF in both the North and South now have absolutely no creditability when it comes to discussing the pandemic; the distinct possibility of a new spike in cases in the coming weeks, or the measures being taken to control it.

Can you imagine the outrage by the Shinnerbots on Twitter and the Journal if the UDA had organised a funeral, cordoned off an area of Belfast to hold it, had most of the big wigs in the DUP march behind the coffin, taking selfies at the grave afterwards, while the streets of the Shankill were covered in tough looking fúckers with buzzcuts and dressed in white shirts, black tie, and leather jackets?

The utter hypocrisy by SF and their online army really is astonishing to witness. Complete clusterfúck of a situation, and everyone knows it.

Do you know what’s stupid is that real issues are not being discussed and tit for tat stupid things are. Perhaps if people stopped commenting (I include myself in this too) on pointless things like going to a funeral or sunbathing in a park and discuss things like implementing housing policies, educating people in deis areas, integrating minorities effectively. Move away from point scoring politics and more into meaningful improvement. We are all intelligent people here and far too much time is being given to bs.

James Brown · 02-07-2020 07:21PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Monumentally stupid decision by SF. SF in both the North and South now have absolutely no creditability when it comes to discussing the pandemic; the distinct possibility of a new spike in cases in the coming weeks, or the measures being taken to control it.

Can you imagine the outrage by the Shinnerbots on Twitter and the Journal if the UDA had organised a funeral, cordoned off an area of Belfast to hold it, had most of the big wigs in the DUP march behind the coffin, taking selfies at the grave afterwards, while the streets of the Shankill were covered in tough looking fúckers with buzzcuts and dressed in white shirts, black tie, and leather jackets?

The utter hypocrisy by SF and their online army really is astonishing to witness. Complete clusterfúck of a situation, and everyone knows it.

The outrage is layed on thick here. Your right to be completely outraged if you choose of course.
I think they should have social distanced.
That's it really.
If the UDA or the Garda did the same it might get the same hypocritical outrage Horkan's funeral got. Have you posted your outrage for the Garda? Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite right?

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 07:23PM

Like I honestly don’t think people think SF supporters are terrorists and I don’t think people think FG supporters are Fascist. Isn’t it time we cop on and stop being reactionary due to what we see on social media. Similarly politicians should stop governing by point scoring. Who does it help. Division isn’t working. Time for something new?

FrancieBrady · 02-07-2020 07:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

There are quite a few who don't get it.

The most astonishing are those who equate the current living memories of Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Bobby Storey and the likes with historical figures from the past. They really don't get the difference between 1916, 1921, 1930 and today, and that the standards of today are what matters when you apply them to the people of today.

Once you do that, you realise that Sinn Fein are at least 30 years away from being considered suitable for government if they continue on their current path. They don't realise that a suitable apology for their past support of the IRA and an acknowledgement that the IRA were wrong (particularly post-Sunningdale) is the minimum of what is needed to allow them to be even considered as a suitable party of government for the vast majority of people in the South.

No blanch, that is just the criteria you have for allowing people to govern.

hatrickpatrick · 02-07-2020 07:26PM

blanch152 wrote: »

There are quite a few who don't get it.

The most astonishing are those who equate the current living memories of Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Bobby Storey and the likes with historical figures from the past. They really don't get the difference between 1916, 1921, 1930 and today, and that the standards of today are what matters when you apply them to the people of today.

Once you do that, you realise that Sinn Fein are at least 30 years away from being considered suitable for government if they continue on their current path. They don't realise that a suitable apology for their past support of the IRA and an acknowledgement that the IRA were wrong (particularly post-Sunningdale) is the minimum of what is needed to allow them to be even considered as a suitable party of government for the vast majority of people in the South.

What do you say to people who don't see much of a difference between Ireland's situation in 1916-21 and Northern Ireland's situation in 1968-98? If you regard them as foolish as well, what do you regard as being the difference?

McMurphy · 02-07-2020 07:26PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Monumentally stupid decision by SF. SF in both the North and South now have absolutely no creditability when it comes to discussing the pandemic; the distinct possibility of a new spike in cases in the coming weeks, or the measures being taken to control it.

Can you imagine the outrage by the Shinnerbots on Twitter and the Journal if the UDA had organised a funeral, cordoned off an area of Belfast to hold it, had most of the big wigs in the DUP march behind the coffin, taking selfies at the grave afterwards, while the streets of the Shankill were covered in tough looking fúckers with buzzcuts and dressed in white shirts, black tie, and leather jackets?

The utter hypocrisy by SF and their online army really is astonishing to witness. Complete clusterfúck of a situation, and everyone knows it.

Forget the uda and loyalists with the flute bands, you don't think there's a bang of hypocrisy coming from those whinging about the social distancing guidelines being ignored at the Sinn Fein funeral and not at the Gardai funeral?

Both groups of people were wrong, and one doesn't cancel the other out.

Varadkar and pals using a funeral to score political points is hardly surprising but a new low all same.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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