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Madeleine McCann

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  • #6992
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    Well like you stated, they needed to leave them for that long for an abductor to kill them in the apartment. So you think they did?

    No I don’t think that. I was merely stating things that could have happened since you were using the dogs as evidence against the parents.

    I think the child was abducted. I don’t think the parents checked every 30 mins like they say they did


  • #6993
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Interesting, when the McFanns run out of ammunition to defend them with they start making primary school insults for those who disagree with them. Some psychology student is loving this.

    The lack of self awareness in this post.


  • #6994
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    I think the disconnect between you and Susieblue is because you are contradicting yourself. So none of the facts about CB is evidence to you.

    But the deleted phone records of the McCanns is evidence they disposed of their child’s body??

    There is no hard evidence so we can choose to interpret the circumstantial evidence whatever way we choose.

    Deleted phone records do not suggest to me that the parents were involved, they do to you, fine. But they are not evidence

    What facts on the peado?

    Who said anything about disposing of their child's body? Who said anything about me suggesting the parents were involved. Please don't lie.

    If people take a step back and look at this from a neutral view. The only evidence available is against the McCanns. It's not much evidence but it's all we got. The German police are apparently building evidence against the peado. Let's see what comes of that. Doesn't change the fact that as we stand, there's more on the McCanns than anyone else.


  • #6995
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    No I don’t think that. I was merely stating things that could have happened since you were using the dogs as evidence against the parents.

    I think the child was abducted. I don’t think the parents checked every 30 mins like they say they did

    I wasn't using the evidence against anyone. The evidence is there, it's an unemotional view of things.


  • #6996
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    And you provided no evidence to support anything! You went on to say it was a fact that there was an abduction by the way.

    Yeah, you're free to make any claims you like, like I'm free to ask for you to back them up.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113898201&postcount=6884

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113898722&postcount=6889

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113898993&postcount=6898

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113900271&postcount=6943

    Here you go, here is where I provided the evidence to support my theory. You have accused me of not providing this 7 times but haven't offered up a single counter argument against anything I said.
    So please don't accuse me of not backing up my claims when I very clearly have. There is nothing I can do if you are going to choose to ignore it.


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  • #6997
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113898201&postcount=6884

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113898722&postcount=6889

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113898993&postcount=6898

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113900271&postcount=6943

    Here you go, here is where I provided the evidence to support my theory. You have accused me of not providing this 7 times but haven't offered up a single counter argument against anything I said.
    So please don't accuse me of not backing up my claims when I very clearly have. There is nothing I can do if you are going to choose to ignore it.

    None of those posts contain any evidence!


  • #6998
    marklazarcovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    I've a feeling if police released a video they found of C.B entering the apartment, kidnapping madeleine, taking her to wherever and doing whatever to her then disposing of her body there would still be people on here disputing it.

    And if they released a video showing no abduction would one still have occured? Because that's the argument right there.

    Show me any evidence linking anyone other than the family to that room and I'll doubt their involvement, because I don't want it to have been them all along.

    Genuine scratch your head evidence,as it stands a child went missing and there is zero evidence as to how,and yet the parents are not prime suspects still.

    That's a head scratcher for me, regardless who the parents are.


  • #6999
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    None of those posts contain any evidence!

    So to be clear, you are saying none of those posts contain anything to support the abduction theory?

    Not the unsupervised kids in an unlocked apartment on a main road, in a hotel where all the staff knew that the parents were leaving them every night, in a town that was rife with pedophiles, their movements could have been watched and someone could have taken an opportunity in between the sporadic checks to take Madeleine?
    None of that supports the abduction theory? You don't think any of that is relevant at all?

    The theory that judging by the poll on this thread, the majority of people believe?


  • #7000
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    marklazarcovic wrote: »
    And if they released a video showing no abduction would one still have occured? Because that's the argument right there.

    Show me any evidence linking anyone other than the family to that room and I'll doubt their involvement, because I don't want it to have been them all along.

    Genuine scratch your head evidence,as it stands a child went missing and there is zero evidence as to how,and yet the parents are not prime suspects still.

    That's a head scratcher for me, regardless who the parents are.

    Well the germans have said they have evidence they can't disclose which they must have in order for them to make such a bold statement. Im not sure if I'd even want to know what they have because from what was said on the Australian show it sounds like he is capable of some pretty heinous stuff


  • #7001
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    So to be clear, you are saying none of those posts contain anything to support the abduction theory?

    No, I'm saying none of those posts contain any evidence.


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  • #7002
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    buttercups88 wrote: »
    Well the germans have said they have evidence they can't disclose which they must have in order for them to make such a bold statement. Im not sure if I'd even want to know what they have because from what was said on the Australian show it sounds like he is capable of some pretty heinous stuff

    If they must have it, then why haven't they arrested him?


  • #7003
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    No, I'm saying none of those posts contain any evidence.

    Well then you are arguing against a point I never even made, you deliberately misrepresented my posts.
    I made it very clear that we were talking about supporting evidence, theories, indications etc to support what I think may have happened. No one has cold hard evidence.
    Glad you can admit that the points I made were relevant though.


  • #7004
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    What facts on the peado?

    Who said anything about disposing of their child's body? Who said anything about me suggesting the parents were involved. Please don't lie.

    If people take a step back and look at this from a neutral view. The only evidence available is against the McCanns. It's not much evidence but it's all we got. The German police are apparently building evidence against the peado. Let's see what comes of that. Doesn't change the fact that as we stand, there's more on the McCanns than anyone else.

    Sorry if I’ve misrepresented you.

    What do you think the deleted phone records and the inconsistencies (or lies) in the statements are evidence of?


  • #7005
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    MOD NOTE: callmehall please improve the standard of your posts. You can have a discussion while also being courteous towards other posters. I am not happy with the tone of your posts. Keep it up and you will be taking a break from the forum


  • #7006
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Well then you are arguing against a point I never even made, you deliberately misrepresented my posts.
    I made it very clear that we were talking about supporting evidence, theories, indications etc to support what I think may have happened. No one has cold hard evidence.
    Glad you can admit that the points I made were relevant though.

    You said there was plenty of evidence available. Still waiting for you to provide any.


  • #7007
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    You said there was plenty of evidence available. Still waiting for you to provide any.

    To be fair, more than one person has posted lots of facts that support the theory CB was involved.

    Again, evidence is.. facts that support a theory.


  • #7008
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    You said there was plenty of evidence available. Still waiting for you to provide any.

    And again, what do you think the deleted phone records and lies as you put it are evidence of?


  • #7009
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    What facts on the peado?

    Who said anything about disposing of their child's body? Who said anything about me suggesting the parents were involved. Please don't lie.

    If people take a step back and look at this from a neutral view. The only evidence available is against the McCanns. It's not much evidence but it's all we got. The German police are apparently building evidence against the peado. Let's see what comes of that. Doesn't change the fact that as we stand, there's more on the McCanns than anyone else.

    Again, I apologise if I misrepresented you. I certainly didn’t mean to ‘lie’

    I quite enjoy the debate


  • #7010
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    To be fair, more than one person has posted lots of facts that support the theory CB was involved.

    Again, evidence is.. facts that support a theory.

    I'm not sure if I'm allowed to even ask this but what facts? Without facts there's no evidence.


  • #7011
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    I'm not sure if I'm allowed to even ask this but what facts? Without facts there's no evidence.

    The fact that his phone pinged the tower at the apt Madeleine was staying (I didn’t know this)

    The fact there were unidentifiable fingerprints found at the scene

    The fact that he said he knew what happened

    The fact that the night before he said he had a horrible job to do

    The fact that the police said he is their main suspect at the moment

    Like you say, no concrete evidence but certainly facts that support a theory.

    Now, again... what do you think the McCann deleted phone records and ‘lies’ are evidence of?


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  • #7012
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    The fact that his phone pinged the tower at the apt Madeleine was staying (I didn’t know this)

    The fact there were unidentifiable fingerprints found at the scene

    The fact that he said he knew what happened

    The fact that the night before he said he had a horrible job to do

    The fact that the police said he is their main suspect at the moment

    Like you say, no concrete evidence but certainly facts that support a theory.

    Now, again... what do you think the McCann deleted phone records and ‘lies’ are evidence of?

    Firstly, none of those are facts or evidence, we don't know if any of them are true. It'd be like saying the statement regarding Gerry McCann and his mate having a sick discussion was evidence. I don't think I'm allowed to discuss this here or a ban is on the way so I'm going to leave that there.

    The lies added with the deleted phone records and the dogs are evidence pointing towards the McCanns, not hard evidence but enough to make them suspects. That's why they were treated as so by the Portuguese police. Again, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to discuss so I'll also leave that there.


  • #7013
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    The fact that his phone pinged the tower at the apt Madeleine was staying (I didn’t know this)

    The fact there were unidentifiable fingerprints found at the scene

    The fact that he said he knew what happened

    The fact that the night before he said he had a horrible job to do

    The fact that the police said he is their main suspect at the moment

    Like you say, no concrete evidence but certainly facts that support a theory.

    Now, again... what do you think the McCann deleted phone records and ‘lies’ are evidence of?


    tbf Rock a lot of this is hearsay.


    If we're all very quick to ignore the dogs and the never ending amount of suspicious behavior from the McCanns I'm not sure why we're placing so much on what someone said drunk in a pub.


  • #7014
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    Firstly, none of those are facts or evidence, we don't know if any of them are true. It'd be like saying the statement regarding Gerry McCann and his mate having a sick discussion was evidence. I don't think I'm allowed to discuss this here or a ban is on the way so I'm going to leave that there.

    The lies added with the deleted phone records and the dogs are evidence pointing towards the McCanns, not hard evidence but enough to make them suspects. That's why they were treated as so by the Portuguese police. Again, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to discuss so I'll also leave that there.

    The lies and deleted phone records are are evidence pointing towards the McCanns doing what?

    Fact- 13 unidentifiable fingerprints found at the scene

    Fact- CB’s phone pinged the tower at the Apt where Madeline was

    Fact- the police have said he is the main suspect

    Facts that support a theory...


  • #7015
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    The lies and deleted phone records are are evidence pointing towards the McCanns doing what?

    Fact- 13 unidentifiable fingerprints found at the scene

    Fact- CB’s phone pinged the tower at the Apt where Madeline was

    Fact- the police have said he is the main suspect

    Facts that support a theory...

    1. The unidentifiable fingerprints is not evidence that there was an intruder.

    2. The phone pinging is not evidence that there was an intruder.

    3. The police saying he's a main suspect is not evidence either.

    Again, zero evidence.


  • #7016
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    But I'm dropping out of this thread for a bit. Not sure why but I'm close to getting a ban so better to be safe.


  • #7017
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    callmehal wrote: »
    Apartment, car, toy, the lies, the deleting of phone records etc it points to the McCanns. Obviously this is not hard evidence, it's the only evidence we have though.

    Feels like the millionth time I've said that, hopefully, it will sink in this time.

    All that so called evidence has been easily explained umpteen times on this thread.

    Apartment: they stayed there, supposed DNA evidence proved nothing and was deliberately misused to try and implicate the McCann's from an investigator who has been convicted of perjury in another case where a child went missing and they came up with the same theory that the parent killed the child, hid the body in a fridge, dodgy DNA. Sound familiar?

    Car: rented after the fact

    Toy: means nothing I'm not sure what this is evidence of an why people bring it up

    Deleting phone records: Again, this means nothing. Phone records can be recovered as most people who can tie their shoes already know. Most probably they were concerned about personal information being leaked to the tabloids by the police which they were doing ad nausea rather than looking for their missing child.

    Dogs: talking dogs are not considered evidence and they were handled incorrectly.

    The problem with the parents did it theory or who think the parents were involved is that for you to believe that you also need to believe that the McCann's killed and disposed of a body within 90 mins, took up and relaid new tiles and carpet, clean up the blood, went back to dinner, asked all their friends to keep it a secret, put on a big pretend show that the child was missing, move the body at a later date while the world and media were following them and in a foreign country, outwit the Portuguese police, the UK police, the German police and not one of the other 10 or so people who were at the table have come forward in the last 13 years. Do you know how difficult it is for two people to keep that type of conspiracy never mind 10 and yet the willful ignorance of people who still circle back to stupid points like "their DNA was in the apartment" is astounding.


  • #7018
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    marklazarcovic wrote: »
    And if they released a video showing no abduction would one still have occured? Because that's the argument right there.

    Show me any evidence linking anyone other than the family to that room and I'll doubt their involvement, because I don't want it to have been them all along.

    Genuine scratch your head evidence,as it stands a child went missing and there is zero evidence as to how,and yet the parents are not prime suspects still.

    That's a head scratcher for me, regardless who the parents are.

    Because the parents have been ruled out years ago.


  • #7019
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    1. The unidentifiable fingerprints is not evidence that there was an intruder.

    2. The phone pinging is not evidence that there was an intruder.

    3. The police saying he's a main suspect is not evidence either.

    Again, zero evidence.

    Ok Zero evidence there was an intruder.

    1. Deleted phone records which were later retrieved is NOT evidence against the parents

    2. Inconsistencies in statements is NOT evidence against the parents

    3. The dogs can only be used to point towards evidence. None was found. So as the dog handler says. The dogs CANNOT be used as evidence.

    So we are back where we started, there is no evidence against anyone, none that we know of anyway.

    So please stop saying there is more evidence that points towards the parents because there is none.

    And for the fifth time before you conveniently take a break... What do you think your so called ‘evidence’ against the parents suggests they did?

    Evidence that points to the parents doing what?


  • #7020
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Something Else
    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »
    I've already said it was poor judgement, the children were left unattended or unaccompanied for a period of time with people checking in on them intermittently. This is not abandonment or neglect or whatever hyperbolic over dramatic term you want to use. The parents have addressed this numerous times, they were a short distance away, they felt the children were safe and they were checking in on them. They've said that they regret this decision and realise it was a mistake. I can't understand how people keep harping on about this time and time again.

    Would everybody here pass the same purity test or better yet, would your own parents pass that purity test?

    Strange that they were so routinely the night she disappeared, yet the night before

    Pamela Fenn
    She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.


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  • #7021
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Something Else
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    That’s extremely disingenuous to say the parents were the only ones with an opportunity, particularly when not one person has been able to come up with a conclusive timeline in which the parents could have done it anyway.

    One of the most common theories is that they were being watched, their apartment was accessible from the street and they left the door unlocked.
    It was common knowledge around the hotel that a group of Brits were leaving their kids alone while they dined every night, and they booked the same table at the same restaurant for the same time every night to facilitate this.
    Again, common knowledge among hotel staff.

    The general area was rife with rapists, sex attackers pedophiles and other degenerates at that time.
    All it would take would be one person noticing their routine and taking their opportunity to take Madeleine in between checks.
    There is plenty of evidence to support her being abducted if you are open to it.

    I also find it really interesting that people say they should be punished because they ‘got away with’ neglecting their child.
    They have been abused, slandered and criticised by people on forums, social media and the press for the last 13 years. All sorts of abhorrent unfounded accusations have been made against them, from Gerry being a kiddie fiddler to Kate being a member of a satanic cult and being a schizophrenic.
    They have been judged in the court of public opinion, take a look under any news article about Madeleine on FB and the vitriol towards them comes out instantly.
    They have to live with this, along with the knowledge that their actions lead to their child being taken, every single day.
    I honestly can’t think of a worse punishment and I would get no joy in rubbing salt in their very much open wound by insisting they be legally prosecuted along with having their lives completely ruined. Their family will never ever recover from this.

    There is zero evidence that they are responsible for Madeleine disappearing, and the only person who should be charged for her disappearance is the person who took her.

    Massive cognitive dissonance.


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